Suicide is nothing more than choosing a lesser of two evils

[myownpetvirus]

The other option being continuing to live in whatever unbearable suffering you are enduring. However it will never be this completely neutral non-chalant and beautiful thing that this forum treats it as. Suicide is not a good option but a better option than continuing to exist if your life is unbearable. People need to fucking touch grass on this forum.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

What someone needs or wants or believes is not of your concern. Maybe you should look around a bit and read more carefully. This forum actually also saved lives, gave people the courage to carry on and try again.
Most here don't romanticise death or thinks it's beautiful.

 

[myownpetvirus]

What someone needs or wants or believes is not of your concern. Maybe you should look around a bit and read more carefully. This forum actually also saved lives, gave people the courage to carry on and try again.
Most here don't romanticise death or thinks it's beautiful.

Funeral Cry does

 

[Myforevercharlie]

She's one. She's not ' the forum '

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Why does FuneralCry in some way, shape, or fashion have to be injected into every freaking thread as of late?

 

[Myforevercharlie]

Why does FuneralCry in some way, shape, or fashion have to be injected into every freaking thread as of late?

Indeed. Can everyone please stop? FC buddy, FC non buddy. Enough is enough!

 

[Zaragoza]

The other option being continuing to live in whatever unbearable suffering you are enduring. However it will never be this completely neutral non-chalant and beautiful thing that this forum treats it as. Suicide is not a good option but a better option than continuing to exist if your life is unbearable. People need to fucking touch grass on this forum.

You're delusional. Suicide is actually good depending on the person. If someone is rotting in their room doing nothing, using their dead parents money to continue living, then they're useless to this society and are actually harmful to others. Sure it's not romantic, it's brutal and socially unacceptable, but it's good because not only I'm doing myself a favor, but in the grand scheme of things if my absence doesn't change for good, it won't change anything at all.

 

[murakamicats]

I deserve to be dead, personally

 

[Inferno]

People need to fucking touch grass on this forum.

Get a grip, I go for a 1 hour walk every day through my local parks. I have a job and I'm educated. How is suicide a bad option to anything? You haven't given any arguments.

 

[myownpetvirus]

Get a grip, I go for a 1 hour walk every day through my local parks. I have a job and I'm educated. How is suicide a bad option to anything? You haven't given any arguments.

Suicide is a bad option because:
1. It is never without risk
2. It usually will harm someone
3. Every single cell in our body wants to live so suicide is generally an uncomfortable scary thing for most people

 

[oohiniyorafaad]

The other option being continuing to live in whatever unbearable suffering you are enduring. However it will never be this completely neutral non-chalant and beautiful thing that this forum treats it as. Suicide is not a good option but a better option than continuing to exist if your life is unbearable. People need to fucking touch grass on this forum.

you dont even know what comes after death, who are you to tell us death isn't neutral? its the next step, however it comes about.

 

[myownpetvirus]

you dont even know what comes after death, who are you to tell us death isn't neutral? its the next step, however it comes about.

I don't understand

 

[watchingthewheels]

Context is king.

 

[oohiniyorafaad]

The other option being continuing to live in whatever unbearable suffering you are enduring. However it will never be this completely neutral non-chalant and beautiful thing that this forum treats it as. Suicide is not a good option but a better option than continuing to exist if your life is unbearable. People need to fucking touch grass on this forum.

also tell that to the terminally ill, sick people, people who have situations that will never change. death is invetable, wanting to die is not a bad or good thing, it just is! we're all gonna fucking die, if i wanna die sooner than the next person what's it to you? your holier than though attitude abd pointless post will not make suicidal people less suicidal, your words are pointless

 

[myownpetvirus]

also tell that to the terminally ill, sick people, people who have situations that will never change. death is invetable, wanting to die is not a bad or good thing, it just is! we're all gonna fucking die, if i wanna die sooner than the next person what's it to you? your holier than though attitude abd pointless post will not make suicidal people less suicidal, your words are pointless

Like I said in those situations it is still just the lesser of two evils

 

[Givenuponlife]

The other option being continuing to live in whatever unbearable suffering you are enduring. However it will never be this completely neutral non-chalant and beautiful thing that this forum treats it as. Suicide is not a good option but a better option than continuing to exist if your life is unbearable. People need to fucking touch grass on this forum.

I agree with you regarding certain types romanticising suicide, as a substitute for stigmatising it. It leads to glossing over the very real and complicated nature of suicide, as well as promoting a tunnel vision view that it's the solution to all problems.

Rather than "evil", my views on the morality of suicide depend on the situation.

If it's a decision made on the basis of having had a good life before a certain point, with little prospect of getting it back, then I don't see it as entirely bad. Otherwise, I see it as a tragic and messy affair, although I cannot condemn the person dying by suicide, or the act, as evil.

I would reserve "evil" for things like murder-suicide, for those who endanger the lives of others in the process.

 

[FuneralCry]

Actually it's a great option as suicide solves all problems and prevents all future suffering. The thought of voluntarily leaving this world is the only thing that appeals to me, as there are simply no disadvantages to being dead. I certainly see it as being a beautiful thing to permanently leave this hellish world and to never have to endure another day here. There's nothing more perfect and ideal than not existing and of course I see non existence as being preferable to any kind of life as existence is something that is harmful and unnecessary.

But after all, if people see suicide as being such a bad thing then nobody's forcing them to do it. That's their decision.

 

[myownpetvirus]

I agree with you regarding certain types romanticising suicide, as a substitute for stigmatising it.

Rather than "evil", my views on the morality of suicide depend on the situation.

If it's a decision made on the basis of having had a good life before a certain point, with little prospect of getting it back, then I don't see it as entirely bad. Otherwise, I see it as a tragic and messy affair, although I cannot condemn the person dying by suicide, or the act, as evil.

I would reserve "evil" for things like murder-suicide, for those who endanger the lives of others in the process.

Not evil as in immoral, but evil as in not ideal.
Basically continuing on, or committing suicide, for some people are both not good options, but death may be the superior choice of the two for some and can be completely rational

Actually it's a great option as suicide solves all problems and prevents all future suffering. The thought of voluntarily leaving this world is the only thing that appeals to me, as there are simply no disadvantages to being dead. I certainly see it as being a beautiful thing to permanently leave this hellish world and to never have to endure another day here. There's nothing more perfect and ideal than not existing and of course I see non existence as being preferable to any kind of life as existence is something that is harmful and unnecessary.

But after all, if people see suicide as being such a bad thing then nobody's forcing them to do it. That's their decision.

How you can you prove that you are a real person

 

[Givenuponlife]

Not evil as in immoral, but evil as in not ideal.
Basically continuing on, or committing suicide, for some people are both not good options, but death may be the superior choice of the two for some and can be completely rational.

I see where you're coming from. I'd personally agree, as I have the view that there's never a good time for suicide, outside of exceptional circumstances, but more a set of least bad times.

 

[Damnation]

Will people shut up about FuneralCry for a second? Damn. Such tunnel vision.

 

[myownpetvirus]

Actually it's a great option as suicide solves all problems and prevents all future suffering. The thought of voluntarily leaving this world is the only thing that appeals to me, as there are simply no disadvantages to being dead. I certainly see it as being a beautiful thing to permanently leave this hellish world and to never have to endure another day here. There's nothing more perfect and ideal than not existing and of course I see non existence as being preferable to any kind of life as existence is something that is harmful and unnecessary.

But after all, if people see suicide as being such a bad thing then nobody's forcing them to do it. That's their decision.

How you can you prove that you are a real person

I see where you're coming from. I'd personally agree, as I have the view that there's never a good time for suicide, outside of exceptional circumstances, but more a set of least bad times.

yeah that's my personal it's unlikely ever going to be a pleasant experience

 

[odradek]

I've been trying to avoid this drama but it keeps popping back up. How can we resolve this at this point? I'll admit to participating in it and maybe I went too far at times and for that I apologize.

My suggestion would be to just ignore her posts. Post your disagreements, respectfully, if you must but this is a lot you guys. Some of this has veered into ableism on both sides and it's made me very uncomfortable tbh. She is not a bot I can guarantee you that. She wants to post her idealogy constantly, however she does offer many words of comfort to users on here, which is appreciated by most based on the comments and reactions she gets. It seems she not interested in much discussion with her opponents or her defenders. Just leave it be.

I will say that absolutist rhetoric will invariably draw responses. Just try to be respectful. If something awful is said, as it has often escalated to in this drama, then report it. We all cannot see what goes on behind the scenes but in my opinion, I'm pretty sure at this point warnings are given when warranted. We may not agree to the result but we all agreed to accept the Mods decisions when we accepted to TOS.

I will just add that I've not recieved any warnings or had my content removed this whole time. Let's just move on already. Everyone is biased to some degree, moderating any forum but especially this one must be very trying. I know I couldn't do any better. Could you?

After all the recent outside drama, despite all our differences, we are kind of in this together People are demonizing us all in the worst possible way, they won't even consider any of our individual perspectives or life circumstances. We need a little bit more patience and empathy for each other right now.

 

[stilhavinightmares]

I agree that suicide is the lesser of two evils. I don't agree with any ill feelings toward those who believe and express that suicide is a good thing. Their lives aren't mine. I don't know their pain. But biologically our bodies want us to live and fight so hard for us to live so I base my opinion on that. It's a shame that suicide is something so desirable for us. But it is what it is.

 

[Inferno]

1. It is never without risk

You can effectively eliminate 99% of the risk with enough research and knowledge on how to do it.

2. It usually will harm someone

There are plenty of things that harm people, it's a part of life.

3. Every single cell in our body wants to live so suicide is generally an uncomfortable scary thing for most people

Every cell in our body? Then why do our brains want us to kill them?

 

[Forever Sleep]

If things were different for many people- suicide wouldn't feel like their 'saviour' or best option. IF their chronic physical or mental illnesses could be effectively cured. IF they felt able to change the situations they were in- perhaps they would find a way through.

YOU may not like many people's reasons for wanting to CTB here. YOU may think more people could perhaps be 'saved'. YOU'RE not living their life though. To them- suicide MAY feel like their best or only option.

As it is- many people here feel like they're at their wits end- they simply can't or- don't want to 'recover'. All they want is rest. They're sick of fighting. I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to see how suicide CAN look highly appealing to such people.

That said- I agree with you to an extent. I doubt ANYONE here actually wants to kill themselves! As in- the ACTUAL act of it. The actual process is frightening and risky. Many of us are deeply worried about the impact it will likely have on our loved ones. That's the reason many of us have hung on for so long.

In a recent poll I did, I think about 80% of us would prefer not to have been born in the first place! THAT would have been the ideal for us. I bet you 100% of us would prefer to die naturally in our sleep tonight- if we had that option.

So- yes- if the world were very different- suicide wouldn't seem so appealing to some of us. It's whether the alternatives are feasible- plus- how appealing they actually seem as to how people view suicide I believe. As I see it we have:

Never being born in the first place: Ideal 'solution' for around 80% of us- also impossible.

Dying naturally and painlessly today or soon: Ideal but also unlikely.

Recover: Not impossible but varyingly difficult for different people. Some people here also don't want to 'recover'.

Suicide: Doubt anyone is really looking forward to the act but most people here DO want an end to it all.

I do get where you're coming from but try and imagine what it's like for someone who themselves believe (nevermind what you think) that their lives are utterly intolerable. They don't want to change. They don't want to get better. To THEM- of course suicide seems like this shining light of hope- it represents an end to their suffering.

oohiniyorafaad said:
you dont even know what comes after death, who are you to tell us death isn't neutral? its the next step, however it comes about.

You: I don't understand

I believe they are refering to an afterlife. Presumably a better place than this according to their beliefs. If someone believes they are going on to better things- death can also seem like a positive thing.

How you can you prove that you are a real person

Please stop calling FC a bot, or- questioning if she is real. You may disagree with her- fine. So do I sometimes. There's no need to insult someone if you don't like what they say. Like other people have suggested- put them on ignore. If you do disagree- also fine but surely you can do so without insulting them?

I'm not going to report you- I don't want to start taking sides. Still- do bear in mind that when people start being abusive on here (calling someone a robot IS abusive), they SOMETIMES end up being banned. Just a warning to all really- you may not like what some people have to say. It's bound to happen. It's FINE to disagree if you keep it civil. When it becomes personal though- it goes too far.

Not like I'm a mod or anything. Maybe you think I'm getting up on my high horse over this- that's not my intention. I'd REALLY like this place to be more harmonious than we've seen of late. EVERYONE suffers when this sort of thing goes on. FC can't be enjoying all this (I'm sure she IS a real person.) The people who are feeling triggered but end up taking it too far by insulting her get banned. NO ONE WINS!

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Suicide is a bad option because:
1. It is never without risk
2. It usually will harm someone
3. Every single cell in our body wants to live so suicide is generally an uncomfortable scary thing for most people

1. What is the risk? To go to hell? To miss something? You will not notice that you miss something when you are not existing anymore!
2. It will harm a few people but be good for more beings: Heirs, young peolpe who need the jobs and homes of old people, your wife and the entire overpopulated world.
3. Every single cell in our body is programmed to die unless your name is Conner MacLeod, that is our tragedy.