u need balls of steel and even stronger mental strength to overcome SI to freakin ctb. Cowardice ... My ASS
A lot of people who say this IMO is highly uneducated on the subject. I recently started to debate with someone who said something similar, and they told me anyone who wanted to die would've already died. I stopped not because I didn't have anything to come back with. I stopped because I was about to tell them about I want to die, and how I know so much about it being a pain.
They were arguing about how fragile the human body is. But in reality it's rare for the human body to be in an environment that can kill it. Even more without extreme pain and quickly. The human body was made after so much of life evolve to survive in the environments we are use to.
On the other hand, I find some view suicide as a way to run away from a problem. In many cases this isn't actually true. Some have extreme back pain, and it's common to hear this as a reason. Some like myself lived a life of disappointment, lost hope, and full of tired. Hell as far as myself I have 4 degrees and over the past year I put in nearly 10,000 applications in and only gotten 1 interview. And then I didn't get the job. Between that, having family on drugs, being stuck, and so on. No it isn't me being a coward. It's me being tired of what life has given me. In fact, living and not offing myself is cowardly. I'm scared of what will happen after. That maybe the next corner things will get better. That I might end up in a nut house due to getting caught. That it might be painful.
Assuming I can tell that to anyone without problems. I'm sure they will even admit suicide isn't cowardly. Living like I am is.
Yes, on a political level - the level that deals with those that have the power to deprive you of independence via the law, etc. But, in terms of what your family/friends/acquaintances think, it is a futile exercise to try to appeal to them on right-to-die issues, especially when it's personal.
Lost in a Dream
He/him - Metal head
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,771
I think I understand what you mean now. Yeah, it probably is futile to try to reason with them when they don't understand, but it still might be the case that some people would feel better about leaving their friends and family behind if they COULD convince them to see things their way. This is especially true for people like me who are putting off on CTBing because of people we care about that we don't want to cause the suffering of. If there was a way for me to convince them that committing suicide is a good thing for me, then I would no longer feel the need to put it off for them.
The only reason I care about that in the first place is because these are people who have shown through their actions that they care about me, but they are only pro-life because of religious beliefs they have. Maybe it's pointless for me to try to protect them, but the thought of hurting them by ending my own life makes it hard to know what to do. This is probably true for others and I think that is why people ask questions like the OP has.
plough22
Living but not really, just surviving
- May 1, 2020
- 226
No it is not cowardly, think that someone is willing to end their life, whatever route never easy but what bravery. I need to find mine, believe I'll love N but hanging seems the way to go. Painful but hooefully I get it right
mold
local fungi
- Jun 25, 2019
- 72
ive been told its selfish before, but never cowardly. after my friend had passed away, i was completely lost and broke down, and another friend of mine at the time had said it was "selfish of her", and he still seems to stand by the opinion that suicide is selfish. it certainly isn't easy, and definitely not something a coward would do.
on the selfish thing, i personally don't see it as selfish, especially since i'm now in my friend's shoes, i know exactly how she felt and how she suffered. it clouded her judgement, and she wasn't just doing it so she could get out of a situation despite how heartbroken people would be. it seems that that's how my other friend viewed the whole situation.
i would never use anything negative towards people who commit suicide. i believe they're strong in their own ways and deserve respect.
on the selfish thing, i personally don't see it as selfish, especially since i'm now in my friend's shoes, i know exactly how she felt and how she suffered. it clouded her judgement, and she wasn't just doing it so she could get out of a situation despite how heartbroken people would be. it seems that that's how my other friend viewed the whole situation.
i would never use anything negative towards people who commit suicide. i believe they're strong in their own ways and deserve respect.
lotus11
Specialist
- May 18, 2019
- 322
dude, I feel that thousands of applications and no job thing...I am in exactly the same position! Been this way since December! It's horrible!
Phantom
Member
- Apr 9, 2018
- 33
Yes, but you would be stupid not to do it anyway. "Maybe start again"? Not in any meaningful way. You shouldn't even hold hopes for that. Suicide is the end and nothing else. Don't pretend otherwise, that's either selling it short or making it easier, and neither is a good thing.
K bye
Member
- Apr 22, 2020
- 10
People say that to make themselves feel better. It's not enough for them to be in a comfortable headspace, they have to actively attack those worse off than them. Pro-lifers only value life as a generalised concept, rather than giving a damn about individual people.
4eyebiped
Mage
- Dec 28, 2019
- 567
If someone has truly thought things through and came to the 100 percent conclusion that CTB was what they wanted, then no, it is not a cowardly thing to do. I find it more a selfish thing to ask someone who is suffering to continue suffering against their wishes. I don't think it should ever be an impulsive decision but I think we all have the right to make the decision and no one should be guilt tripped by anyone for making it.
Calling people cowards for killing themselves is just complete bollocks, that is derived from people's irrational fear of death and their religious/cultural bias. Or, perhaps they don't want to see any of their loved ones go "prematurely". Not being able to ever let go, can in so many cases I've seen be a far more selfish attitude than suicide can ever be. If someone close to you suffer greatly with a non-treatable condition, physically or mentally, without you ever being able to let them pass away as they have requested, makes you the only coward.
From my perspective, killing yourself is probably the bravest thing you can ever do, especially if done with a rational and thought-out approach. Facing the unknown, e.g., facing the potential of non-existence, heaven, hell, reincarnation, end of simulation et cetera. Also, people often neglect to consider the very strong self-preservation instinct which even most suicidal people have. It's not that simple to overcome, which is one of the several reasons why so many with suicidal thoughts may try to avoid suicide by reaching out directly or discreetly unconsciously.
Personally, I'm both terrified and slightly excited at the notion of eventually facing the end. But, in the end it's always going to be something I'll have to inevitably face. If it happens sooner by mine own hand, so what? Of course, I would still never encourage anyone to commit suicide. But too many are left without any other alternative.
From my perspective, killing yourself is probably the bravest thing you can ever do, especially if done with a rational and thought-out approach. Facing the unknown, e.g., facing the potential of non-existence, heaven, hell, reincarnation, end of simulation et cetera. Also, people often neglect to consider the very strong self-preservation instinct which even most suicidal people have. It's not that simple to overcome, which is one of the several reasons why so many with suicidal thoughts may try to avoid suicide by reaching out directly or discreetly unconsciously.
Personally, I'm both terrified and slightly excited at the notion of eventually facing the end. But, in the end it's always going to be something I'll have to inevitably face. If it happens sooner by mine own hand, so what? Of course, I would still never encourage anyone to commit suicide. But too many are left without any other alternative.
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