Suicide Fetishists

[Pluto]

Disclaimer: this is a pretty disturbing subject, but I couldn't find any previous discussion so am starting my own. My intention is not to further obliterate your faith in humanity, nor to promote a sense of paranoia regarding visitors to this website. Suicidality begets suicidality; witnessing good people die, hearing stories of extreme distress or being further exposed to the darkest side of abuse humans are capable of inflicting can cause a downward spiral that does not result in a complete picture of life.

So, I had a thought about an IRL friend who had a very dark childhood including civil war, molestation, etc. and has been fighting demons her whole life, though is functioning better than you would think. Still, I sometimes get a sense of her almost finding my desperate struggle to survive 'entertaining'. It is either paranoia on my part, or perhaps a result of her drowning in her own demons, which will emerge from time to time. We can all become a bit Jekyl & Hyde when we've internalised horrors of yesteryear, so there's an understanding.

Anyway, I did a quick search for the topic of suicide fetishism and found very few valid references. I may be using the wrong term for this syndrome. But one comment by somebody on Reddit did stand out and I thought I'd repost it here.



First thing, kudos for the individual for at least being honest, as there's otherwise a lack of awareness of this syndrome. The gender references are somewhat irrelevant to the bigger picture, though I'm reminded of research showing female serial killers (who only make up a small percentage of SKs, maybe under 10%?) are often nonviolent and use methods like switching off life support systems in hospitals. As with SKs in general, often they experience some orgasmic relief in watching someone's life fade away.

In explaining this, I wonder if a lot of timeless human behaviours (i.e., eating, reproduction, hunting and tribal warring) need to be pleasurable as an evolutionary survival mechanism. Hence taking pleasure in causing death must be ingrained at a primitive level of the human psyche that most people are too empathetic to access (though let's not forget underhand manifestations, like enjoying violent/horror movies, world news or video games). Another theory is that death is perceived as a profound release from all suffering, and this pleasure is experienced vicariously while watching another person pass away.

There's plenty of cognitive dissonance when someone like this is both on-side with 'supporting' individuals with suicidal ideation, yet having the most murderous and deviant intentions in the process. I don't have any particular point to make here, but I just wanted to share some thoughts on the topic in case it is of interest to anyone.

 

[WhatPowerIs]

I wonder if these Reddit accounts are even real people or just elaborate jokes that people set up just so they can troll. Good grief.

 

[Hollowillow]

Thank you. I don't think I am one because I cried like a baby the first & last time I watched ctb here.

Thank you for the warning. I was naive. I wanted to film myself ctb, so people would know what happens after someone stop typing. Peaceful death or screams of agony. But if my zoom was filled with dicks masturbating while I died... My last moment would be abuse... I can't.

 

[whatevs]

except the old ones though

This woman is straight up fapping to suicidal men of reproductive age. I guess there must be variety in the Glorious Garden of the Lord. Praise be to Allah.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I wonder if this person would be as excited to help someone to kill themselves irl. They're talking about reaching out over the internet and a videogame(?), so there's a level of disconnection from the actual death.

I'm sure this website has attracted a few people with these kind of intentions.

 

[whatevs]

I wonder if these Reddit accounts are even real people or just elaborate jokes that people set up just so they can troll. Good grief.

Nah man, you're still tender and innocent, what you see online is more real than it should be. It's fake to a large extent but the part that's real is still disturbing. Reddit in particular has a cesspool side that provides specimens such as r/sadeyes. It had a similar name, and was about men that find pleasure in seeing porn stars with dead and sad eyes during the recorded abused they endure for money.

I also found some fat chick that posted a thread titled 'Felt random this morning lol' and it was about her twerking while sharting in her bed. The comments were mostly supportive.

These things I speak about I stumbled across in odd days separated by months, don't get the impression I'm super interested in this shit. Let's just say occasionally I want to see how insane humans can be.

 

[WhatPowerIs]

Nah man, you're still tender and innocent, what you see online is more real than it should be. It's fake to a large extent but the part that's real is still disturbing. Reddit in particular has a cesspool side that provides specimens such as r/sadeyes. It had a similar name, and was about men that find pleasure in seeing porn stars with dead and sad eyes during the recorded abused they endure for money.

I also found some fat chick that posted a thread titled 'Felt random this morning lol' and it was about her twerking while sharting in her bed.

These things I speak about I stumbled across in odd days separated by months, don't get the impression I'm super interested in this shit. Let's just say occasionally I want to see how insane humans can be.

Don't get me wrong, it's certainly a crazy place! I'm willing to bet a lot of posts on r/amitheasshole or r/relationships are completely manufactured and are fictional, maybe made only to get internet points, but a lot of crazy people and stories and things have come out of Reddit there's no doubt about that. The subreddits that are still up sort of speak for themselves i think, there's a shit ton up that are just about rape and abuse fetishes.

 

[Pluto]

I wonder if this person would be as excited to help someone to kill themselves irl.

Not sure, but this reminds me of the even more horrible cases of men targeting suicidal young women to 'help' them CTB IRL. The result is usually rape. This has definitely happened on this website. (Though again, I wasn't trying to promote paranoia,) So yes, there are 'nice' people of both genders in this world.

 

[whatevs]

@Pluto I've actually thought about this, I don't think it's harmful that someone would help others to pass peacefully. Whether that person gets some dark urge fulffilled in the process is irrelevant in the face of having achieved voluntary euthanasia.

 

[Hollowillow]

This woman is straight up fapping to suicidal men of reproductive age. I guess there must be variety in the Glorious Garden of the Lord. Praise be to Allah.

That sadist is strangely missing out on the men most likely to be in pain & die. Too easy, she likes it hard?

 

[WhatPowerIs]

@Pluto I've actually thought about this, I don't think it's harmful that someone would help others to pass peacefully. Whether that person gets some dark urge fulffilled in the process is irrelevant in the face of having achieved voluntary euthanasia.

If some chick was getting off to me dying, I would like to come back to life personally...

 

[Hollowillow]

Not sure, but this reminds me of the even more horrible cases of men targeting suicidal young women to 'help' them CTB IRL. The result is usually rape. This has definitely happened on this website. (Though again, I wasn't trying to promote paranoia,) So yes, there are 'nice' people of both genders in this world.

I wish we didn't have to prehemptively defend that we're not doing fearmongering by merely starting the facts.

When I was sick, a friend who had a lover offered to help me. It wasn't groceries that he wanted me to eat. He molested me but I sent the cops after him.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

These things I speak about I stumbled across in odd days separated by months, don't get the impression I'm super interested in this shit.

 

[lachrymost]

Does anyone know what game the Redditer is talking about? Sounds wild.

 

[makethepainstop]

Not sure, but this reminds me of the even more horrible cases of men targeting suicidal young women to 'help' them CTB IRL. The result is usually rape. This has definitely happened on this website. (Though again, I wasn't trying to promote paranoia,) So yes, there are 'nice' people of both genders in this world.

Any cases of big platinum blond dudes doing that with gay guys? Asking for my mechanic!

 

[actual_fox]

This woman is straight up fapping to suicidal men of reproductive age. I guess there must be variety in the Glorious Garden of the Lord. Praise be to Allah.

Somebody tell her that not all suicidal people are 10/10 6'3ft chads.

 

[whatevs]

Somebody tell her that not all suicidal people are 10/10 6'3ft chads.

When you have a fetish you tend to imagine fit and attractive people involved with it. For example, Yukio Mishima loved to imagine dead or dying young studs, as he discussed in the beginning of 'Confessions of a mask'.

 

[actual_fox]

When you have a fetish you tend to imagine fit and attractive people involved with it. For example, Yukio Mishima loved to imagine dead or dying young studs, as he discussed in the beginning of 'Confessions of a mask'.

That is what I was thinking. Except the Yukio part

 

[wljourney]

Opens thread.

** INSERT googly eyes **

Closes thread.
Backs away slowly.

(Needs more coffee.)

 

[watchingthewheels]

See also the novel THE SORROWS OF YOUNG WERTHER by Goethe and the film HEATHERS.

The Sorrows of Young Werther - Wikipedia

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Cultural impact

The Sorrows of Young Werther turned Goethe, previously an unknown author, into a literary celebrity almost overnight. Napoleon Bonaparte considered it one of the great works of European literature, having written a Goethe-inspired soliloquy in his youth and carried Werther with him on his campaigning to Egypt. It also started the phenomenon known as "Werther Fever," which caused young men throughout Europe to dress in the clothing style described for Werther in the novel.[7]​[8]​ Items of merchandising such as prints, decorated Meissen porcelain and even a perfume were produced.[9]​ Thomas Carlyle coined an epithet, "Wertherism",[10]​ to describe the self-indulgency of the age that the phenomenon represented.[11]​

The book reputedly also led to some of the first known examples of copycat suicide. The men were often dressed in the same clothing "as Goethe's description of Werther and using similar pistols." Often the book was found at the scene of the suicide.[12]​ Rüdiger Safranski, a modern biographer of Goethe, dismisses the Werther Effect "as only a persistent rumor."[13]​ Nonetheless, this aspect of "Werther Fever" was watched with concern by the authorities – both the novel and the Werther clothing style were banned in Leipzig in 1775; the novel was also banned in Denmark and Italy.[9]​ It was also watched with fascination by fellow authors. One of these, Friedrich Nicolai, decided to create a satirical piece with a happy ending, entitled Die Freuden des jungen Werthers ("The Joys of Young Werther"), in which Albert, having realized what Werther is up to, loaded chicken's blood into the pistol, thereby foiling Werther's suicide, and happily concedes Charlotte to him. After some initial difficulties, Werther sheds his passionate youthful side and reintegrates himself into society as a respectable citizen.[14]​

 

[Pluto]

Interesting replies, guys! I just remembered overnight that I've long suspected that my father (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) is a death fetishist. He adored theatre and literature such as Romeo & Juliet, with the theme of parents seeing their children die. He found very underhand ways to torment me, such as addressing me with a tone more suitable for a very young child or even a dog, which accumulated enormous harm over time, yet was too subtle to concern any authorities. He skillfully posed as a concerned, confused father whenever outsiders were paying attention, artfully portraying me as a difficult child and himself as a harmless old man.

I had a cousin die of heart attack at the age of 30 and my father - who unsurprisingly worked with funerals as a side gig - seemed to have a spring in his step at the funeral that nobody else noticed. But I was watching him closely that day. Of course, I would sound like a complete lunatic if I dared voice this within the family, which is why it troubles me that this is a taboo subject.

Similarly morbid and somewhat related, I do recall an episode of Law & Order (which was often inspired by true events) in which a mother with an extreme case of Munchausen syndrome by proxy kept killing her own babies while making it look like a tragic illness, so she could enjoy a twisted indulgence in the outpourings of attention and sympathy from outsiders.

I also never forgot being a late teenager. My (also narcissistic) sister responded with laughter when she saw that I'd stopped speaking, stopped showering and stopped leaving my room. "He's fucked!" she beamed. I tried to survive just to deprive them of the pleasure of seeing my dead body, but the insidious damages done by growing up around these people - which somehow led to attracting insanely sadistic people and situations in my adult life, too - somehow poisoned all attempts at attaining normality, and I might ultimately concede defeat. It sounds bad, but I really wanted my father to die before me.

If anyone else has been through anything like this, at least this thread could be an opportunity to get some sort of understanding. It absolutely sucks when the world ignores a topic solely because it is too dark to fit within the 'Overton window' of acceptable discourse.

 

[JustSwingingTheD]

First thing, kudos for the individual for at least being honest, as there's otherwise a lack of awareness of this syndrome. The gender references are somewhat irrelevant to the bigger picture, though I'm reminded of research showing female serial killers (who only make up a small percentage of SKs, maybe under 10%?) are often nonviolent and use methods like switching off life support systems in hospitals. As with SKs in general, often they experience some orgasmic relief in watching someone's life fade away.

In explaining this, I wonder if a lot of timeless human behaviours (i.e., eating, reproduction, hunting and tribal warring) need to be pleasurable as an evolutionary survival mechanism. Hence taking pleasure in causing death must be ingrained at a primitive level of the human psyche that most people are too empathetic to access (though let's not forget underhand manifestations, like enjoying violent/horror movies, world news or video games). Another theory is that death is perceived as a profound release from all suffering, and this pleasure is experienced vicariously while watching another person pass away.

I think most SK types are in it for feeling powerful. Its not about the relief of watching someone pass away, its about feeling superior to them. Their death is just the inevitable result of not wanting to leave witnesses.

Exceptions do exist, i was reading about the school shooter adam lanza the other day, and he apparently got molested as a child, and the reason he shot all those kids was because he wanted to save them from the suffering of life. At least this is the theory, he was apparently was a very strange, very sick person.

Personally, i have worked in health care and while there have been no cases where i felt like pulling the plug on someone, i have strongly felt the pull to popping the question: do you want to die? Here's the thing: if you're a thirty-something, paralyzed down from your neck, and willing to die, it's very hard for any empathic person to say no if you're asking to be euthanized. If something in this world is worth going to prison for, then it's this.

There's plenty of cognitive dissonance when someone like this is both on-side with 'supporting' individuals with suicidal ideation, yet having the most murderous and deviant intentions in the process. I don't have any particular point to make here, but I just wanted to share some thoughts on the topic in case it is of interest to anyone

I think that that the border between sadistic and empathic motives can get hard to see here. I have this "gut feeling" based theory, that many SK types (and many "less extreme/harmful" sadists) are actually deeply self-destructive, they just more or less lack that part of the human psyche that enables self-harm. So harming and killing others is the only way for them to get closer to death.

 

[Unhirable]

I have this too but against myself.

It's actually quite common, especially nowadays online. I can link to multiple pictures and threads of people who have this fetish.

 

[Pluto]

I think most SK types are in it for feeling powerful. Its not about the relief of watching someone pass away, its about feeling superior to them. Their death is just the inevitable result of not wanting to leave witnesses.

That's a credible theory also. People with NPD often have a strong compulsion to 'punish' others for being so inferior to themselves (even though that makes no sense whatsoever). I remember my sister was always doing crazy stuff, like going next door and switching off the electricity mains of our friendly neighbours' house. I've also read that rapists with NPD are not motivated by sexuality, but by a craving to humiliate and dominate the victim in the most brutal way possible.

I think that that the border between sadistic and empathic motives can get hard to see here. I have this "gut feeling" based theory, that many SK types (and many "less extreme/harmful" sadists) are actually deeply self-destructive, they just more or less lack that part of the human psyche that enables self-harm. So harming and killing others is the only way for them to get closer to death.

That makes sense too. Even some historical world leaders, including a certain Führer, seem to indicate that their murderous tendencies were ultimately suicidal. Some people with NPD-type symptoms seem to have a pathological self-love, yet also an apparent self-hate beneath the surface.

This does also link into the earlier theory of vicariously experiencing death through a victim of murder or the murky grey area of encouraged suicide as a fetish.

 

[freedompass]

This woman is straight up fapping to suicidal men of reproductive age. I guess there must be variety in the Glorious Garden of the Lord. Praise be to Allah.

Funny, I read that as she was interested in watching the old ones. Crazy either way