Suicide does not even need a reason

[FuneralCry]

To me, nobody should ever have to justify their reasons for suicide, suicide does not even need a reason. There is no such thing as a 'trivial' or 'invalid' reason for suicide and to me it would be wrong to call someones reason for wanting to die that, it would be invalidating. After all, we all have different limits as to what we can cope with in life anyway. I find pro lifers to be irritating with their toxic positivity. No one can ever really understand what someone else is going through as they are not living their life. None of us asked to exist in the first place so we have no obligations to stay alive anyway. If someone simply does not want to exist then that is their choice.

It does frustrate me how in the countries where euthanasia is legalised, it is usually just for people with a certain amount of suffering, they have to meet some sort of criteria (I think), but to me it should be legalised everywhere for everyone. After all, all life is meaningless and we will all die eventually someday. No one should be forced to and expected to live against their wishes. Humans exist only for the sake of existing and all that life is, is just waiting around to die anyway. I do not understand the whole 'suicide needs a valid reason' thing. We exist for no reason, so why does dying need a reason. People die everyday without a reason. To me it is cruel how others want to deny us the option of a peaceful exit. Suicide could never be wrong to me and our right to die should always be respected. I look forward to the day in which all this will finally end.

 

[wilted_biography]

Very well said

 

[Seeking_Peace]

To me, nobody should ever have to justify their reasons for suicide, suicide does not even need a reason. There is no such thing as a 'trivial' or 'invalid' reason for suicide and to me it would be wrong to call someones reason for wanting to die that, it would be invalidating. After all, we all have different limits as to what we can cope with in life anyway. I find pro lifers to be irritating with their toxic positivity. No one can ever really understand what someone else is going through as they are not living their life. None of us asked to exist in the first place so we have no obligations to stay alive anyway. If someone simply does not want to exist then that is their choice.

It does frustrate me how in the countries where euthanasia is legalised, it is usually just for people with a certain amount of suffering, they have to meet some sort of criteria (I think), but to me it should be legalised everywhere for everyone. After all, all life is meaningless and we will all die eventually someday. No one should be forced to and expected to live against their wishes. Humans exist only for the sake of existing and all that life is, is just waiting around to die anyway. I do not understand the whole 'suicide needs a valid reason' thing. We exist for no reason, so why does dying need a reason. People die everyday without a reason. To me it is cruel how others want to deny us the option of a peaceful exit. Suicide could never be wrong to me and our right to die should always be respected. I look forward to the day in which all this will finally end.

You don't have to wait for Euthanasia when N and SN are available. That's going to take decades if not longer to be approved. Your best bet is move to Netherlands where it's a lot easier to get Euthanasia.

 

[soon06132022]

To me, nobody should ever have to justify their reasons for suicide, suicide does not even need a reason. There is no such thing as a 'trivial' or 'invalid' reason for suicide and to me it would be wrong to call someones reason for wanting to die that, it would be invalidating. After all, we all have different limits as to what we can cope with in life anyway. I find pro lifers to be irritating with their toxic positivity. No one can ever really understand what someone else is going through as they are not living their life. None of us asked to exist in the first place so we have no obligations to stay alive anyway. If someone simply does not want to exist then that is their choice.

It does frustrate me how in the countries where euthanasia is legalised, it is usually just for people with a certain amount of suffering, they have to meet some sort of criteria (I think), but to me it should be legalised everywhere for everyone. After all, all life is meaningless and we will all die eventually someday. No one should be forced to and expected to live against their wishes. Humans exist only for the sake of existing and all that life is, is just waiting around to die anyway. I do not understand the whole 'suicide needs a valid reason' thing. We exist for no reason, so why does dying need a reason. People die everyday without a reason. To me it is cruel how others want to deny us the option of a peaceful exit. Suicide could never be wrong to me and our right to die should always be respected. I look forward to the day in which all this will finally end.

I agree with you to the extent that as an adult we should all have the right to decide when we choose to die. I am not certain that society will ever able to understand why people would make that choice. There continues to be a stigma against mental illness in my country, and throughout society. I think the frustrating part is that nobody can truly understand the pain that I am in or have been in. I don't know that things will ever change, but I also hope they do one day soon for all.

 

[Talvikki]

You don't have to wait for Euthanasia when N and SN are available. That's going to take decades if not longer to be approved. Your best bet is move to Netherlands where it's a lot easier to get Euthanasia.

The Netherlands is a hypocritical shithole country.

People with mental illness are very unlikely to receive euthanasia in the Netherlands: only 1 percent of recorded euthanasias occur on the grounds of mental suffering.

 

[Seeking_Peace]

The Netherlands is a hypocritical shithole country.

People with mental illness are very unlikely to receive euthanasia in the Netherlands: only 1 percent of recorded euthanasias occur on the grounds of mental suffering.

I've watched multiple documentaries on Euthanasia in the Netherlands and it wasn't difficult for two young healthy adults in their 20s to get it. The doctors don't even try to dissuade you from doing it. It's as liberal as they come.

 

[chocolatebar]

To me, nobody should ever have to justify their reasons for suicide, suicide does not even need a reason. There is no such thing as a 'trivial' or 'invalid' reason for suicide and to me it would be wrong to call someones reason for wanting to die that, it would be invalidating. After all, we all have different limits as to what we can cope with in life anyway. I find pro lifers to be irritating with their toxic positivity. No one can ever really understand what someone else is going through as they are not living their life. None of us asked to exist in the first place so we have no obligations to stay alive anyway. If someone simply does not want to exist then that is their choice.

It does frustrate me how in the countries where euthanasia is legalised, it is usually just for people with a certain amount of suffering, they have to meet some sort of criteria (I think), but to me it should be legalised everywhere for everyone. After all, all life is meaningless and we will all die eventually someday. No one should be forced to and expected to live against their wishes. Humans exist only for the sake of existing and all that life is, is just waiting around to die anyway. I do not understand the whole 'suicide needs a valid reason' thing. We exist for no reason, so why does dying need a reason. People die everyday without a reason. To me it is cruel how others want to deny us the option of a peaceful exit. Suicide could never be wrong to me and our right to die should always be respected. I look forward to the day in which all this will finally end.

We got a rebel here! Send the all personnel, the straitjackets, the cars, the helicopters, don't let her go away!

Jokes aside, I mentioned recently about how the views on suicide weren't the same in different societies and some of them were quite liberal in this aspect. The most interesting part is that, as contradictory as it may sound for some people, the estimated suicide rate wasn't as high as they would imagine. I remember an entire booking discussing this topic. If I remember the name, I post in here.

 

[Talvikki]

I've watched multiple documentaries on Euthanasia in the Netherlands and it wasn't difficult for two young healthy adults in their 20s to get it. The doctors don't even try to dissuade you from doing it. It's as liberal as they come.

Don't believe everything you see on TV!

Laat psychiatrische patiënt niet onnodig lijden

Psychiatrische patiënten met een stervenswens komen vaak niet in aanmerking voor euthanasie, omdat ze niet uitzichtloos en ondraaglijk zouden lijden. Maar wie bepaalt dat?, vraagt Lidy Schoon zich af.

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[Seeking_Peace]

I said healthy. Obviously, people with mental illness will have a hard time getting euthanized.

 

[akana]

yes yes yes!!!! appreciate this post truly

 

[September5th]

You're right. Some people might look at my life and think that I'm fine. But they don't know how much I suffer each day. They don't know about my anxiety, lack of will to keep going... They don't know what's like FOR ME to miss someone (both sexually and emotionally)... They don't know what's like to know that this person is with other dudes while I myself am unable to enjoy anybody else, despite hooking up with them. They don't know what's like to be wasting time studying some jackshit that I hate. They don't know what's like for me to know that'll live a mediocre and lonely life up until I eventually die.
Only I know these things. So the choice should be mine and only mine. Fuck pro lifers

 

[Talvikki]

I said healthy. Obviously, people with mental illness will have a hard time getting euthanized.

SOURCE

 

[Seeking_Peace]

SOURCE

Google. If you're too lazy to find it tough luck.

 

[Talvikki]

Google. If you're too lazy to find it tough luck.

You must be American. You're being brainwashed by Christian fanatics.

 

[Zzzzz]

Life has no objective purpose. Therefore,any reason why an individual wants death,no matter how trivial it may seem,is 100% valid.

 

[Al Cappella]

No you don't need a reason, it's true. The problem is that MAID is always going to mean doctors are involved, and they want you to have a reason, generally. And it's their right to refuse, the same way they can refuse any procedure not deemed medically necessary in their opinion. That's the reality, whether we like it or not…

 

[Talvikki]

I said healthy. Obviously, people with mental illness will have a hard time getting euthanized.

Yes of course any healthy person can get eutanasia in the netherlands. Unfortunately that is not the reality.



Euthanasia only be allowed with a medical reason for the suffering. Euthanasia is only allowed if the suffering has a "medical basis. This means that the patient's suffering comes from a medical condition. For example, due to a disability or illness.

Stop talking about yourself.

You know so well the euthanasia law in my country
Unfortunately, this is the sad reality.


Against the State of the Netherlands :
On April 9, 2021, Coöperatie Laatste Wil issued a subpoena to the State of the Netherlands. This case revolves around the most essential aspect of human existence: life itself, the way one lives it and the way one says goodbye to that life. On behalf of Coöperatie Laatste Wil and thirty individual plaintiffs, the court is asked to rule that the State is acting unlawfully by denying citizens a human end of life under their own control.

 

[Talvikki]

Why do some people here think it is so easy to get euthanasia in the Netherlands/Belgium? If that was true, I would have left a long time ago.

Post in thread 'people form belgium/netherland' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/people-form-belgium-netherland.86885/post-1559357

 

[September5th]

Holy moly, dude. You're so fucking mad with Netherlands it's crazy XD!
Fuck it. It's better than here, where that will never happen, as the average citizen is either a conservative idiot ar a retarded "pro-life" leftist (sme folks who are fine with abortion, btw).

 

[September5th]

Oh, great, omnislashing (if I can even call it that). Man, that's crazy. Look at how many times you quoted me because of a single post. Sorry if I thought you were mad with Netherlands. You literally called it a "a hypocritical shithole country" and went on about it for hours.
Sure, I won't call you a dude anymore, as you're an asshole. Don't know why you're so revolted, but everyone here is suffering, you know? You called Seeking_Peace a retarded christian imbecile out of nowhere... You necrosed this entire thread for nothing.
Entendido, seu idiota.

 

[Clearly Canadian]

I agree with you to the extent that as an adult we should all have the right to decide when we choose to die. I am not certain that society will ever able to understand why people would make that choice. There continues to be a stigma against mental illness in my country, and throughout society. I think the frustrating part is that nobody can truly understand the pain that I am in or have been in. I don't know that things will ever change, but I also hope they do one day soon for all.

I agree to a large extent. I think that if there were such a "Universal" ruling (never going to happen, but I'll play along), I think it should apply to people over the age of 21. When one is young, it's so easy to (and I hate this phrase, but here it applies) "Make a permanent decision, over a temporary situation." The very young tend to largely be impulsive and not known for thinking through certain scenarios. They typically do not have the maturity to see things as adults do.

Nobody can ever convince me I don't have good enough reasons not to commit suicide.

1) My beloved Husband, Best Friend and Soul Mate of 25 years died in March of this hellish year. I feel de-skinned. Pain so raw, I just have to think of him and the tears flow.

2) I have severe, chronic pain 24/7/365 which is undermedicated, thanks to all the druggies out there seeking prescription pain meds. Thanks you fuckers.

3) Life long experience with major depression and frightning episodes of anxiety. Since the age of four.

4) "Mother" was an alcoholic who didn't mother me. Died when I was 17 in a drowning incident. Though honestly I lost her years before that sad day.

5)My Dad. Fuck me. I've got no idea where to start.

6) I swear, I must have a sign on my forehead visible only to sexual predators that reads "Please rape me." From the age of four I have been the victim of multiple sexual deviants and perpetrators.

So yeah, I'm fucking pissed off. Angry and I don't want to be in this shit-hole hell we call life. I guess I don't have the guts to do it yet. I've tried before over less. I don't know what my problem is. Also, I don't want to die alone.

I think my cat stops me. I can't leave her. I couldn't cope if someone just let her roam free. She got out once. My husband tricked her into coming to him. She remains very traumatized by her life out on her own for six months. I could never hurt her or "take her with me."

If you made it this far. Thanks for listening. Or reading, or whatever the fuck.

 

[soon06132022]

I agree to a large extent. I think that if there were such a "Universal" ruling (never going to happen, but I'll play along), I think it should apply to people over the age of 21. When one is young, it's so easy to (and I hate this phrase, but here it applies) "Make a permanent decision, over a temporary situation." The very young tend to largely be impulsive and not known for thinking through certain scenarios. They typically do not have the maturity to see things as adults do.

Nobody can ever convince me I don't have good enough reasons not to commit suicide.

1) My beloved Husband, Best Friend and Soul Mate of 25 years died in March of this hellish year. I feel de-skinned. Pain so raw, I just have to think of him and the tears flow.

2) I have severe, chronic pain 24/7/365 which is undermedicated, thanks to all the druggies out there seeking prescription pain meds. Thanks you fuckers.

3) Life long experience with major depression and frightning episodes of anxiety. Since the age of four.

4) "Mother" was an alcoholic who didn't mother me. Died when I was 17 in a drowning incident. Though honestly I lost her years before that sad day.

5)My Dad. Fuck me. I've got no idea where to start.

6) I swear, I must have a sign on my forehead visible only to sexual predators that reads "Please rape me." From the age of four I have been the victim of multiple sexual deviants and perpetrators.

So yeah, I'm fucking pissed off. Angry and I don't want to be in this shit-hole hell we call life. I guess I don't have the guts to do it yet. I've tried before over less. I don't know what my problem is. Also, I don't want to die alone.

I think my cat stops me. I can't leave her. I couldn't cope if someone just let her roam free. She got out once. My husband tricked her into coming to him. She remains very traumatized by her life out on her own for six months. I could never hurt her or "take her with me."

If you made it this far. Thanks for listening. Or reading, or whatever the fuck.

I read everything.

What does adult really mean? The human brain doesn't fully develop until age 25, but I think the biggest lie that I realized from my childhood was that adults knew what the fuck they were doing. I understand the idea of young people not being able to see the governing dynamics of a given situation, but as each of us has our own story it's difficult for me to place a mandate across the board.

I am sorry for your loss. I understand how you feel better than most; I lost my partner eight years ago.

Being in chronic pain with a shitty family, while fighting your own battle with mental illness sounds exhausting. It never ceases to amaze me how many women I have met in life who have been victims of sexual assault. Some of the most intense feelings and moments of my life have occurred when I have met the abusers and done things that I am not proud of.

Your frustration resonates with me. I don't know that you have a problem, as objectively you can see your reality for what it is. Each of us has to make the decisions for ourselves on our own timeline. I hope that you find what you're looking for.

 

[Clearly Canadian]

Thank you for your kind words. I am so sorry you lost your partner. My heart hurts for you too then. I wish these things didn't have to happen. I don't understand how people survive a loss of that magnitude. Does the grief ever get better? I've heard it changes over time and it becomes more easy to live with. I cannot fathom. He died right in front of me.

So, my darling husband was all the family I had. All our friends dropped away when we became so sick. (Hubs had chronic pain too, amongst other illnesses.) If you are no fun to be around people drop off the radar. Its just human nature.

There is so much more going on, I cannot even write about it here because it's so crazy and over-whelming no one would believe me.

I have read about the brain not fully maturing until the age of 25. I felt I was asking a lot to make people wait until 21! Lol.

 

[ornitier199]

You don't have to wait for Euthanasia when N and SN are available.

Don't think I'd want to be part of a drug deal. It is a drug after all, I'm sure 'D' is code name for drug dealer.

 

[Deleted member 847]

I think human beings value pleasure, and life can you still give you some of that, if your life is not causing you distress all the time
if you don't have a permanent problem, a terminal problem, or a mental condition that makes your
life too unbearable (a depression that never goes away, schizophrenia, chronic physical pain, a disability or something else of that magnitude),
I think you're better off moving forward with your life, instead of ending it.
I do believe that if you value pleasure and relief, you're not going to get those by dying, unless like I said your condition
sucks to the point that even a few seconds of dizziness before eternal sleep are better than staying alive and eating
something tasty instead

However,

I also believe that I own my body and that I can do whatever the fuck I want with it, even destroy it,
I can even destroy my body, even while knowing that I might regret the decision later on

No law should tell me what I'm allowed to do with my body
If I want to stab myself in the neck with a pencil it's none of your fucking business
If someone wants to help me do it, it's none of your fucking business
My body is my property
If I buy a car, I can destroy it, okay? It's mine.
If I can't then it's not mine.

But I personally don't like it when people destroy their cars, if the car is still good enough from my point of view
That's why I sometimes tell people not to kill themselves, if I think they haven't put too much thought into it
I don't think all cars are worthless
Obviously it's not up to me to decide if your car is good or bad
You're the only person that can judge your car

 

[soon06132022]

Thank you for your kind words. I am so sorry you lost your partner. My heart hurts for you too then. I wish these things didn't have to happen. I don't understand how people survive a loss of that magnitude. Does the grief ever get better? I've heard it changes over time and it becomes more easy to live with. I cannot fathom. He died right in front of me.

So, my darling husband was all the family I had. All our friends dropped away when we became so sick. (Hubs had chronic pain too, amongst other illnesses.) If you are no fun to be around people drop off the radar. Its just human nature.

There is so much more going on, I cannot even write about it here because it's so crazy and over-whelming no one would believe me.

I have read about the brain not fully maturing until the age of 25. I felt I was asking a lot to make people wait until 21! Lol.

I guess it would depend on what your definition of better is? The first year was absolute hell as everything was so raw. I reached out to friends for support, attended therapy, and group sessions. None of it really seemed to help. It was just another thing in the long line of life changing events that I experienced out of order. I carried it with me as just another thing that I had and tried to adjust in life. It however colored most of my social interactions and dating over the next decade. There were times in my life where it wasn't as consuming as it had been, but then I have moments when something triggers me and everything comes crashing back down. I smell someone else who wears her perfume, a musical artist comes on the radio that we enjoyed listening to, someone suggest that we go to her favorite restaurant without knowing that I will never go there again. Those are the little things that I hold onto. On other days it hits me like a freight train, her birthday, our anniversary, the day that she died. I honestly don't know if the pain ever faded over time or if I just became numb to it, and better at managing it.

I can understand how friends dropped away, for the people that I am close to they were friends before it happened and after. I was surprised by some, and disappointed by others.

You can PM me if you want to share about the rest of what you have going on, I have no reason to not believe anything that you'd be willing to share.

 

[Seeking_Peace]

Don't think I'd want to be part of a drug deal. It is a drug after all, I'm sure 'D' is code name for drug dealer.

And? It's verified on ppeh. You want to wait decades for euthanasia? I don't have that kind of time.

 

[Clearly Canadian]

I guess it would depend on what your definition of better is? The first year was absolute hell as everything was so raw. I reached out to friends for support, attended therapy, and group sessions. None of it really seemed to help. It was just another thing in the long line of life changing events that I experienced out of order. I carried it with me as just another thing that I had and tried to adjust in life. It however colored most of my social interactions and dating over the next decade. There were times in my life where it wasn't as consuming as it had been, but then I have moments when something triggers me and everything comes crashing back down. I smell someone else who wears her perfume, a musical artist comes on the radio that we enjoyed listening to, someone suggest that we go to her favorite restaurant without knowing that I will never go there again. Those are the little things that I hold onto. On other days it hits me like a freight train, her birthday, our anniversary, the day that she died. I honestly don't know if the pain ever faded over time or if I just became numb to it, and better at managing it.

I can understand how friends dropped away, for the people that I am close to they were friends before it happened and after. I was surprised by some, and disappointed by others.

You can PM me if you want to share about the rest of what you have going on, I have no reason to not believe anything that you'd be willing to share.

Thank you, and I will PM you. I am so new to this platform. I came across your reply quite by accident. I am so glad I found it. I need some rest. Very suicidal today. But I need to sleep I've been up a long time.

I guess it would depend on what your definition of better is? The first year was absolute hell as everything was so raw. I reached out to friends for support, attended therapy, and group sessions. None of it really seemed to help. It was just another thing in the long line of life changing events that I experienced out of order. I carried it with me as just another thing that I had and tried to adjust in life. It however colored most of my social interactions and dating over the next decade. There were times in my life where it wasn't as consuming as it had been, but then I have moments when something triggers me and everything comes crashing back down. I smell someone else who wears her perfume, a musical artist comes on the radio that we enjoyed listening to, someone suggest that we go to her favorite restaurant without knowing that I will never go there again. Those are the little things that I hold onto. On other days it hits me like a freight train, her birthday, our anniversary, the day that she died. I honestly don't know if the pain ever faded over time or if I just became numb to it, and better at managing it.

I can understand how friends dropped away, for the people that I am close to they were friends before it happened and after. I was surprised by some, and disappointed by others.

You can PM me if you want to share about the rest of what you have going on, I have no reason to not believe anything that you'd be willing to share.

How do I PM you?

I guess it would depend on what your definition of better is? The first year was absolute hell as everything was so raw. I reached out to friends for support, attended therapy, and group sessions. None of it really seemed to help. It was just another thing in the long line of life changing events that I experienced out of order. I carried it with me as just another thing that I had and tried to adjust in life. It however colored most of my social interactions and dating over the next decade. There were times in my life where it wasn't as consuming as it had been, but then I have moments when something triggers me and everything comes crashing back down. I smell someone else who wears her perfume, a musical artist comes on the radio that we enjoyed listening to, someone suggest that we go to her favorite restaurant without knowing that I will never go there again. Those are the little things that I hold onto. On other days it hits me like a freight train, her birthday, our anniversary, the day that she died. I honestly don't know if the pain ever faded over time or if I just became numb to it, and better at managing it.

I can understand how friends dropped away, for the people that I am close to they were friends before it happened and after. I was surprised by some, and disappointed by others.

You can PM me if you want to share about the rest of what you have going on, I have no reason to not believe anything that you'd be

D'oh. I figured it out! Whooooo!

 

[Readytogasap]

Society needs a reason for everything. If no reason is given, a reason is imposed on everything.

 

[hankbank3928]

I agree, no reason needs to be given. Thanks for the post!