Discussion Suicide availability

[26mmmm]

What are your thoughts on the availability of suicide?

On the one hand ending your life shouldn't be so challenging,
but on the other hand if suicide was more easily available way more people would start committing suicide irrationally, over minor things. Many times things do get better, even if you are convinced they cant, and suicide not being easily available atleast gives people the opportunity to get through tough times.

 

[mortuarymary]

50/50 on this, it should be easily accessible to those with MH issues disability etc etc. The problem is the minors getting hold of these items and after a row with his girlfriend of 2 weeks, decides to down a bottle of N. That's where I stand on it.

 

[26mmmm]

Plenty of people with mental health issues aren't too far gone, you just cant really know who is and who isn't, and by having it easily accessible you're putting many fixable lives at risk.

That's why I think suicide shouldn't be widely available, if you get to a point where suicide is the only option you would probably be desperate and find a way.
Although I still feel like it should be easier and more accessible to those that really need it, to avoid suffering and all. its a big dilemma.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

On the one hand ending your life shouldn't be so challenging,
but on the other hand if suicide was more easily available way more people would start committing suicide irrationally, over minor things.

I disagree with that. Even if N was easily available SI is the strongest protection when it comes really only to "minor" things.

Suicide is easily available - everywhere - a small tent a few kg of charcoal and a grill will do. This method will need some more preparations but they're also easily available - everywhere - without restrictions.

 

[The Schizoid]

There should be a way that's painless but not too easily accessible

 

[26mmmm]

I disagree with that. Even if N was easily available SI is the strongest protection when it comes really only to "minor" things.

Suicide is easily available - everywhere - a small tent a few kg of charcoal and a grill will do. This method will need some more preparations but they're also easily available - everywhere - without restrictions.

Even the simplest things aren't accessible to some people, a grill, a tent, a quiet place. Not because they can't theoretically get it but because of restrictions they might have.
So I'd say suicide isn't easily available currently.


SI wouldn't be as a big a factor if suicide was less scary, compare jumping off a tall building to ingesting something and dying pain free...

There should be a way that's painless but not too easily accessible

There are but most seem to hard to access

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Even the simplest things aren't accessible to some people, a grill, a tent, a quiet place. Not because they can't theoretically get it but because of restrictions they might have.
So I'd say suicide isn't easily available currently.

OK I agree that personal circumstances (especially the younger people are) might be a problem. But that is another topic within the topic of suicide which is complex.

 

[rozeske]

Suicide methods are currently accessible problem is they are not peaceful nor reliable. But People still commit with whatever they have. The human body is very fragile. Suicide rates are still quite high and keep on rising. They could have just made it easy by letting go of the more peaceful and reliable methods. Holding on to those methods imo doesn't decrease Suicide rates but solving the root problems of most suicidal people could potentially help in reducing the rate.

 

[mortuarymary]

Plenty of people with mental health issues aren't too far gone, you just cant really know who is and who isn't, and by having it easily accessible you're putting many fixable lives at risk.

That's why I think suicide shouldn't be widely available, if you get to a point where suicide is the only option you would probably be desperate and find a way.
Although I still feel like it should be easier and more accessible to those that really need it, to avoid suffering and all. its a big dilemma.

I've bipolar, had it 30 years and numerous attempts. I've been very fortunate to have good health care or the bottle of N I do have would have been consumed.
Days and weeks can be shit for me.

 

[26mmmm]

Suicide methods are currently accessible problem is they are not peaceful nor reliable. But People still commit with whatever they have. The human body is very fragile. Suicide rates are still quite high and keep on rising. They could have just made it easy by letting go of the more peaceful and reliable methods. Holding on to those methods imo doesn't decrease Suicide rates but solving the root problems of most suicidal people could potentially help in reducing the rate.

I think it does decrease the suicide rates. If suicide was easier and more accessible way more people would do it, people who beforehand wouldn't because they weren't desperate enough.

 

[rozeske]

I've bipolar, had it 30 years and numerous attempts. I've been very fortunate to have good health care or the bottle of N I do have would have been consumed.
Days and weeks can be shit for me.

Were your previous attempts before acquiring N? Do you think your urges subsided after acquiring it?

 

[mortuarymary]

Always overdoses. First ever one was paracetamol and codeine. Second one was the same but with sleeping tablets. The 2nd attempt did sort of save my life as they found I'd been born with a heart defect and had holes in my heart.

 

[d2reason]

What are your thoughts on the availability of suicide?

On the one hand ending your life shouldn't be so challenging,
but on the other hand if suicide was more easily available way more people would start committing suicide irrationally, over minor things. Many times things do get better, even if you are convinced they cant, and suicide not being easily available atleast gives people the opportunity to get through tough times.

Indeed, but at the same time I think it's super disappointing I can find fentanyl like it's dirt but have to jump through 20 hurdles to obtain Nitrogen or Argon.

 

[rozeske]

Always overdoses. First ever one was paracetamol and codeine. Second one was the same but with sleeping tablets. The 2nd attempt did sort of save my life as they found I'd been born with a heart defect and had holes in my heart.

Were your previous attempts before acquiring N? Do you think your urges subsided after acquiring it?

 

[mortuarymary]

They were. Then when I got N the feelings still there but no urgency to CTB

 

[rozeske]

I think it does decrease the suicide rates. If suicide was easier and more accessible way more people would do it, people who beforehand wouldn't because they weren't desperate enough.

They were. Then when I got N the feelings still there but no urgency to CTB

 

[Himeasa]

Whilst I believe that there should be a categorical right to suicide, in the sense that access to (assisted) suicide should be reasonably provided, I'd wager that many people would regret a rash decision and could better within a short-term timeframe. That is too much a potential number of senseless suicides as to balance out the damages from the denial of suicide. There would need to be mechanisms in place.

However, I also believe that this access should be available to sufferers of non-terminal illnesses—I've been suffering from depression and other issues for over ten years, which technically is not terminal, but just fucking sucks—but also to those whose suffering in long-term timeframes. Some are delusional when they see no light at the end of the tunnel, others are in all likelihood correct in it, and effective prohibition—that is, either categorical pathologization or the barring of more and more methods like they currently do with SN—would be protracted torture. You can always say that there will be a day when you're happy, maybe in a couple of months or a couple of years, but at some point this argument becomes absurd.

That being said, as others have mentioned, suicide is available to those who truly want it anyway. It's a filter. Most people who would be ill-served are saved that way, outweighing the truly suicidal that cannot manage to execute a proper method.

 

[FuneralCry]

The option of a peaceful suicide should be avaliable for all humans at any time and to want to make it so people really have to struggle to die is evil to me. We never asked to exist in this awful, disgusting world so we should be able to die in peace whenever we want to. I don't get why people should have to suffer so much to leave this existence ultimately because deluded people were selfish enough to procreate, the fact that humans purposely make suicide inaccessible is very unacceptable.
And to me it makes no sense labelling suicide as "irrational" when nobody can be harmed by not existing yet there is no limit as to how much one can be tormented in this existence that was always undesirable and futile in the first place.

To exist means to suffer so unnecessarily all with the risk of suffering much more being there at any moment yet death removes the ability to suffer, solving all problems that were completely unnecessary in the first place.
I see suicide as suffering prevention and the way to find safety from suffering, in fact I'd always prefer to not exist, only never existing is true perfection to me, procreation is always such a terrible tragedy.