Discussion Suicide as revenge

[borderline-feline]

I want to preface by saying that I'm not saying that I'm going to do this, but it has crossed my mind. I'm curious what other people think of the idea of ending your life partially or primarily for the purpose of getting revenge on someone who's wronged you.

Personally, I constantly think about blaming people in my suicide note, because I want some people to suffer and feel guilty about the shit they've put me through, and there's no way that any of them would if I didn't do it that way.

Realistically, I've revised my suicide note thousands of times, because I can't write, so it's always awful no matter how many times I fix it.

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge?

 

[Archness]

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge?

I dunno. Depends on how terrible they where.

 

[Amakishiyo]

I personally don't care about morality in such cases as I have lived through decade long bullying during school, I had enough (day)dreams about getting revenge, torturing my bullies, making them suffer as much as possible, I was very close at some point to just stab the next bully that would come up to me.

It makes me insanely angry when theres discussions about school shootings in the US for example, everyone blaming the shooter, never the bullies that caused all of this.
So yeah I personally would definitely like to have revenge, if theres a chance to make them remember for a while, maybe causing them to suffer, then it is justice in my book.

 

[Pluto]

I went through this when I was young. If I had lived in the US and had easy access to weapons, I shudder to think how differently things could have turned out. And I would have been the bad guy, since people always leave out the years of torment leading up to that point.

The main issue is that murder is bad, while a mere suicide would actually gratify the people who hated me - including my father. Leaving behind some unhinged suicide note would help him to portray me as an uncontrollable lunatic, and bring himself all the sympathy as the centre of attention. He would have loved every minute of the drama, knowing he could control the narrative using his charm.

Vengefulness is also not a great state to be in when leaving this lifetime.

 

[borderline-feline]

I went through this when I was young. If I had lived in the US and had easy access to weapons, I shudder to think how differently things could have turned out. And I would have been the bad guy, since people always leave out the years of torment leading up to that point.

The main issue is that murder is bad, while a mere suicide would actually gratify the people who hated me - including my father. Leaving behind some unhinged suicide note would help him to portray me as an uncontrollable lunatic, and bring himself all the sympathy as the centre of attention. He would have loved every minute of the drama, knowing he could control the narrative using his charm.

Vengefulness is also not a great state to be in when leaving this lifetime.

Why does it matter what state a person is in when they end their life?

 

[Pluto]

Why does it matter what state a person is in when they end their life?

There's a consensus in the NDE community that hellacious afterlife experiences correlate to dark intentions when somebody dies. Most suicides are not like this, being due to insufferable pain or mental illness. Hence, most suicides have reasonably positive afterlife experiences. But I included that comment because it's not something I recommend, regardless of one's belief system.

 

[borderline-feline]

There's a consensus in the NDE community that hellacious afterlife experiences correlate to dark intentions when somebody dies. Most suicides are not like this, being due to insufferable pain or mental illness. Hence, most suicides have reasonably positive afterlife experiences. But I included that comment because it's not something I recommend, regardless of one's belief system.

Things like that tend to confuse me since I'm a Satanist, so I don't believe in any form of afterlife. I personally think the idea of an afterlife sounds like inherent torture regardless of what kind it is. I'm assuming that it has to do with the brain creating images related to mental state as a person starts to fade away.

 

[Amakishiyo]

Things like that tend to confuse me since I'm a Satanist, so I don't believe in any form of afterlife. I personally think the idea of an afterlife sounds like inherent torture regardless of what kind it is. I'm assuming that it has to do with the brain creating images related to mental state as a person starts to fade away.

Agreed, any form of eternity sounds like the worst hell imaginable. It will just be the same way as before one was born, nothingness.

 

[Pluto]

Things like that tend to confuse me since I'm a Satanist, so I don't believe in any form of afterlife. I personally think the idea of an afterlife sounds like inherent torture regardless of what kind it is. I'm assuming that it has to do with the brain creating images related to mental state as a person starts to fade away.

That's totally OK. I'm not trying to convince anyone to adopt my beliefs. But I personally avoid hurting people as I'm not going to assume that there are no consequences.

Though isn't Satan a Biblical character who dwells in the afterlife?

 

[borderline-feline]

That's totally OK. I'm not trying to convince anyone to adopt my beliefs. But I personally avoid hurting people as I'm not going to assume that there are no consequences.

Though isn't Satan a Biblical character who dwells in the afterlife?

Satanism is a non-theistic religion based on the writings of the 20th century philosopher Anton LaVey. As Christ has shifted to being a symbol of hate and oppression, Satan has become symbolic of rebellion against oppressive forces. Satanists believe that there is no god and no devil, no heaven and no hell. It's largely a response to Abrahamic extremism and the Abrahamic teachings that are completely out of place in modern society.

 

[Veraz]

A lot of people might consider that a stupid reason to end your life, but I often find myself feeling like I have to die by suicide as a form of validation. Like, if I die in any other way, it's because I'm a coward. Then my inner voice uses that to taunt me relentlessly, and the only way I can shut it up and prove to the world (and more importantly, myself) that my suffering is real or even matters - is to ctb.

So my takeaway is this: A person's reason for ending their life is their own. Nobody has the right to judge you for it, or decide that it's not a good enough reason. It's simply not their choice.

 

[Pluto]

Satanism is a non-theistic religion based on the writings of the 20th century philosopher Anton LaVey. As Christ has shifted to being a symbol of hate and oppression, Satan has become symbolic of rebellion against oppressive forces. Satanists believe that there is no god and no devil, no heaven and no hell. It's largely a response to Abrahamic extremism and the Abrahamic teachings that are completely out of place in modern society.

I can appreciate that perspective. There was quite a bit of religious child abuse in my own past, as my mother was a fanatical Catholic. (Translation: a mentally ill person who hid behind perverse religious ideas to avoid getting help.) It's very understandable to want to oppose that sort of cruelty and evil.

 

[borderline-feline]

I can appreciate that perspective. There was quite a bit of religious child abuse in my own past, as my mother was a fanatical Catholic. (Translation: a mentally ill person who hid behind perverse religious ideas to avoid getting help.) It's very understandable to want to oppose that sort of cruelty and evil.

Your description reminds me of a film that I really enjoyed. It's a psychological thriller called Saint Maud. It's about a devoutly religious woman who suffers from delusions while acting as a hospice nurse for a terminally ill atheist.

It's a shame that some people use religion as a shield when there are genuine concerns about their mental health.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that people should be able to exit this world for any reason that they wish to, it's a completely personal decision but anyway I think that if someone is blamed in a suicide note they very likely won't even care and will just continue existing.

 

[Cabbiesevvie]

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge?

In my opinion it is moral. Take for example your parents: they created you, not knowing your willingness, brought you in this world and then proceeded to neglect you and give you a terrible childhood.
This didn't happen to me. (Maybe the light version.)
In this case I would find it very rational to hurt them in your suicide letter.

 

[cogmachine]

i thought about it before, but realized i'm too spiteful to end my life because of someone else. it will be a waste to end it for a nobody that wouldn't care nor know why i did it, although it would be satisfying if guilt plagued them for the rest of their life.

 

[Ghostofthepast]

Why does it matter what state a person is in when they end their life?

I live in NY and it is illegal to kill yourself if you do your family friends and anyone you know can be charged with your death and face jail time for not helping you our and stopping you

 

[clear sky 321]

Nice idea actually maybe i will try it damn brilliant

 

[SamTam33]

It makes me insanely angry when theres discussions about school shootings in the US for example, everyone blaming the shooter, never the bullies that caused all of this.

This might have some validity if the school shooters targeted their bullies. But I can't recall off the top of my head if any shooters actually killed their bully (assuming bullying led to their behavior).

They kill random kids. The Uvalde school shooter didn't go to that school anymore. He was 18. How and when did those 4th and 5th graders bully him?

The Sandy Hook killer was 20 years old. His victims were 6 and 7 years old.

The Parkland shooter remarked that he wanted to die fighting and killing a shit-ton of people. Not a shit-ton of bullies.

And on and on.

I don't know how you're ascertaining your info that bullying is the cause of school shootings in the US.

It was cited as the reason in the Columbine shooting, and became part of the narrative from then on.

But if you actually study the victim and perpetrator profiles, you realize that the victims more often than not, didn't know the shooter - let alone bully them.

 

[OutOfTheVoid]

i was close to doing this myself after someone hurt me repeatedly in ways that pushed me over the edge into attempting to ctb. but i failed bc i barely tried and now its been too long for 'revenge' to be an obvious factor anymore, and i feel that blaming that person in my suicide note would be excessive. on a less personal and more societal level ive also thought abt blaming society in my suicide note, basically calling my death murder. i think i will still do the latter

to answer your question, i think it depends. some ppl deserve revenge against them for the harm theyve done. not everyone deserves that tho. depends who they are and what they did

 

[HermitLonerGuy]

People for the most part never like to take responsibility or accept blame, no one ever wants to be the bad guy. So even if they are outright blamed, they will then in their heads convince themselves that they did nothing wrong or you just had mental issues etc. this is the cowardly nature of the sinister human animal .

 

[Forest Fire]

A couple of months ago i was thinking about leaving a note to someone to make them feel guilty and torment them for the rest of their life. But then i would be just as bad as that person and i will already be regretfully hurting a few good people just by ctb and for me, that is more than enough misery to be causing.
The people who've had a negative impact on my life will acknowledge their actions towards me anyway when they find out i'm dead and they will be bothered by their behaviour or they won't. I don't think a letter to them will change anything

 

[borderline-feline]

I live in NY and it is illegal to kill yourself if you do your family friends and anyone you know can be charged with your death and face jail time for not helping you our and stopping you

I can't tell whether or not you're making a joke, because that has nothing to do with what I said...

This might have some validity if the school shooters targeted their bullies. But I can't recall off the top of my head if any shooters actually killed their bully (assuming bullying led to their behavior).

They kill random kids. The Uvalde school shooter didn't go to that school anymore. He was 18. How and when did those 4th and 5th graders bully him?

The Sandy Hook killer was 20 years old. His victims were 6 and 7 years old.

The Parkland shooter remarked that he wanted to die fighting and killing a shit-ton of people. Not a shit-ton of bullies.

And on and on.

I don't know how you're ascertaining your info that bullying is the cause of school shootings in the US.

It was cited as the reason in the Columbine shooting, and became part of the narrative from then on.

But if you actually study the victim and perpetrator profiles, you realize that the victims more often than not, didn't know the shooter - let alone bully them.

Please don't derail this thread with things that are unrelated to the topic at hand. This thread is about revenge suicides, not school shootings.

 

[Ghostofthepast]

I can't tell whether or not you're making a joke, because that has nothing to do with what I said...

Please don't derail this thread with things that are unrelated to the topic at hand. This thread is about revenge suicides, not school shootings.

Why would I be making a joke I'm stating even if I wanted too out of revenge it would make life of my family worse

 

[borderline-feline]

Why would I be making a joke I'm stating even if I wanted too out of revenge it would make life of my family worse

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "state". I was referring to a person's state of mind, not their location.

 

[themisbelow]

I want to preface by saying that I'm not saying that I'm going to do this, but it has crossed my mind. I'm curious what other people think of the idea of ending your life partially or primarily for the purpose of getting revenge on someone who's wronged you.

Personally, I constantly think about blaming people in my suicide note, because I want some people to suffer and feel guilty about the shit they've put me through, and there's no way that any of them would if I didn't do it that way.

Realistically, I've revised my suicide note thousands of times, because I can't write, so it's always awful no matter how many times I fix it.

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge?

I used to think of suicide as a form of revenge a lot too. Although truth be told, I tend to lean the exact opposite way. Something about doing things with my life and being publicly successful in my endeavors makes me feel good in a really fucked up way, especially if I know that the people I hate can see it. I think its essentially two sides of the same coin, funnily enough.

 

[endofsirens]

im not sure, i think it could be argued many ways, depending on what they did to you to make you want to ctb just to make them feel guilty etc - same goes for 'blaming' people in a note.

in my experience, when i think about those who definitely have contributed to me being closer to the ledge , they are all absolutely awful, terrible people and i think if i blamed them/wrote a note/ctb to get revenge on them. they most likely wouldnt actually care, at all. it probably wouldnt really effect them and theyd just shrug it off quickly. i think id rather do another form of revenge that would really hurt them, going at something they care about.

because realistically, if they hurt you so much to begin with. they probably wouldnt feel as guilty as you want them to when you die

 

[Ghostofthepast]

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "state". I was referring to a person's state of mind, not their location.

I know whatvyou ment you don't understand that I was saying I would love too but my sate make its very hard too

 

[borderline-feline]

I know whatvyou ment you don't understand that I was saying I would love too but my sate make its very hard too

What you were talking about wasn't what I was talking about. I was asking why a person's mental state when catching the bus matters, and you started talking about New York.

 

[SamTam33]

I can't tell whether or not you're making a joke, because that has nothing to do with what I said...

Please don't derail this thread with things that are unrelated to the topic at hand. This thread is about revenge suicides, not school shootings.

They're related... but ok.

I think killing yourself to teach someone a lesson/get revenge is futile at best, and stupid at worst.

If they don't care about you when you're alive, why do you think they're going to care about you when you die.

If your life doesn't bring them pleasure - why would your death bring them pain.

We can't control how other people feel about us (if we could, at least half of us wouldn't be here).

It's just a fantasy that unloved and unvalued people make up in their heads.

Like when you're poor and you make believe that you're a rich princess.