Story Suicide and Instagram Press Story

[Stan]

The woman who tracks 'dark' Instagram accounts

Intervening to help suicidal young women is not a role Ingebjørg Blindheim would have chosen for herself. Why is she so compelled to help?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

This story highlights the problem with do-gooders - their actions tend to result in the restriction of the liberty of others. By all means try to help people if you want to, but don't encourage companies or politicians to crack down on things that you disapprove of - because that threatens all of our freedoms. So we learn that due to these campaigners Instagram is deploying AI technology to delete "harmful" content as soon as it is posted. Welcome to your Orwellian future where a computer algorithm can silence you because you are saying something "harmful". Who decides what is "harmful"? Better to have full freedom of speech, which includes the freedom to post content that is offensive, immoral, scandalous, etc. Then everything is out in the open and we can see what people are saying and if necessary argue against it, rather than driving it underground. Censorship is normally self-defeating.

 

[Wreck-it-Riley]

I feel Weird about this. Why do they only talk about Girls?

And are they implying that the girls, who look for this content on the platform because they already feel that way, are only suicidal because of the likes a deep cut gets? Like no other problems, just social networks not banning content we dont like.

 

[Rachel74]

The woman who tracks 'dark' Instagram accounts

Intervening to help suicidal young women is not a role Ingebjørg Blindheim would have chosen for herself. Why is she so compelled to help?

www.bbc.co.uk

I read it and shook my head. This woman might think she's a saint but she's stopping people doing something they want. Spying on their accounts and calling the police.
Yes, she may have saved some that really didn't want to die but there are those that do!

 

[Stan]

I posted it because of one reason. lately I commented that the press seemed to have taken a step forward in reporting or discussing suicide. This article shows a step back for me. I didn't like the approach or style. I empathised that if I was one of these poor girls, that such writing actually drives me further underground.

 

[GreyMonkey]

I think there is relevance to it.

Group think is powerful especially at a still young and socialised age. These young girls are likely exacerbating each other's issues through social conforming. When the consensus heads towards self harm and suicide, if this is what creates popularity then for a young person who is still very much at a socialised place then they will naturally head this way.

I think for people that young there is still a lot of hope and possibility that things can get a lot lot better. The support for that needs to get better though and it does sound like in that article that these things are being considered. Although there is still very much a "we don't know what to do" vibe to it, there are thoughts about it.

I think same for here. There is a consensus reality that is driving towards suicide. This is the point of this place. I know I come here when I feel the lowest, and it also feeds my suicidal ideation and even gives it a real shape through viable methods.

I think many people on here don't truly want to die, that's why there are all these constant and inane questions about the same thing over and over. The questions are a form of contact, it's a way of engaging, of showing that hey I'm here and I'm participating in the thing that is happening... when really it might just be a way to put it off. It keeps things moving though, looking like action is happening, forward movement towards a defined goal.

I know I come here when I feel the worst, hoping that by reading all these posts it will give me the courage to take my own life. Or that somehow a really simple and easy way will present itself, one that isn't so violent. Of course there aren't any really.
Yet I also wonder what it would be like to have more support in our society. Not support that medicates and isolates further... but some place of acceptance and integration.

I know for many this might the only place where connection can be found. Here we are bonding over the commonality that our lives are so bad we want them to end.

I don't really know what I'm saying only that I hope media sites keep looking at and drawing attention to suicide and mental health. I see on the need in Australia that mental health costs $500 million a day!!

I hope that more investigation is given into what might truly help those in distress to be able to live a meaningful life. I'm not pro-life, I am definitely pro-choice... yet I don't most, especially the younger humans, truly don't want to die. It just seems like there is absolutely no other way to deal with the relentless pain and hopelessness.

As for why I'm sharing all this. I dunno. I'm in fucking bad emotional pain right now and perhaps the intelectualising is helping me avoid it for a moment.

 

[Stan]

I think there is relevance to it.

Group think is powerful especially at a still young and socialised age. These young girls are likely exacerbating each other's issues through social conforming. When the consensus heads towards self harm and suicide, if this is what creates popularity then for a young person who is still very much at a socialised place then they will naturally head this way.

I think for people that young there is still a lot of hope and possibility that things can get a lot lot better. The support for that needs to get better though and it does sound like in that article that these things are being considered. Although there is still very much a "we don't know what to do" vibe to it, there are thoughts about it.

I think same for here. There is a consensus reality that is driving towards suicide. This is the point of this place. I know I come here when I feel the lowest, and it also feeds my suicidal ideation and even gives it a real shape through viable methods.

I think many people on here don't truly want to die, that's why there are all these constant and inane questions about the same thing over and over. The questions are a form of contact, it's a way of engaging, of showing that hey I'm here and I'm participating in the thing that is happening... when really it might just be a way to put it off. It keeps things moving though, looking like action is happening, forward movement towards a defined goal.

I know I come here when I feel the worst, hoping that by reading all these posts it will give me the courage to take my own life. Or that somehow a really simple and easy way will present itself, one that isn't so violent. Of course there aren't any really.
Yet I also wonder what it would be like to have more support in our society. Not support that medicates and isolates further... but some place of acceptance and integration.

I know for many this might the only place where connection can be found. Here we are bonding over the commonality that our lives are so bad we want them to end.

I don't really know what I'm saying only that I hope media sites keep looking at and drawing attention to suicide and mental health. I see on the need in Australia that mental health costs $500 million a day!!

I hope that more investigation is given into what might truly help those in distress to be able to live a meaningful life. I'm not pro-life, I am definitely pro-choice... yet I don't most, especially the younger humans, truly don't want to die. It just seems like there is absolutely no other way to deal with the relentless pain and hopelessness.

As for why I'm sharing all this. I dunno. I'm in fucking bad emotional pain right now and perhaps the intelectualising is helping me avoid it for a moment.

I always enjoy your writing, you have an excellent way of putting a point across. You outline some behaviours here which I know for myself I find hard to have patience and I do try and put a leash on it (sometimes it slips off). i think the common theme that is seen in many threads about this site is the ability to communicate freely without judgement and that helps for sure. I think without it I would be sitting in a corner, rocking myself and chewing my fingernails through the anxiety of being the only one in the world who feels like this. As the saying says, misery loves company.

I can see in the writing styles of one or two members here that they are young, too young. No proof but their writing style screams it. They often blurt out 'give me the best and quickest method' requests. It really pains me when people respond in a serious way with suggestions. But looking at what you wrote, yeah, its possible that they are looking for a connection. Just that I don't think sharing a method is the right way to make that connection.

 

[GreyMonkey]

Yes I agree.

Its strange though because
1. The point of this site, and particularly this most active part of the forum, is to discuss methods. There is an inherent, yet perhaps unseen, direction that posting in here is a statement of intent and that the engagement is to move towards that intent by researching and understanding methods. However this is the main Forum, and the other forums are "recovery" or "off topic".

2. People come here in a state of distress. Most don't just stumble across a suicide forum out of curiosity. They are here because they are actively searching how to suicide. This means, for most, a high degree of emotional distress (I know there are a few measured oldies around who are here in preparation for something later). So it makes sense that first posts reflect that level of distress - really what it's saying is "I'm in pain, please tell me the quickest way to end my pain".

The reality I have been confronting is that for the most part suicide is not a quick or easy way to end the pain. Only the most extremely violent methods do so, and the heightened level of distress, despair and hopelessness one must be in to go through with something like jumping off a cliff or jumping in front of a train terrifies me. I'm in pain, and I've been in what I think is intense pain - yet never that much.

So I'm not quite sure what I'm getting at. This place is both a refuge and it also has an embedded social conformity within it. While there is no active reward or acceotance for those who take their lives, not enough that I think anyone would be doing it to fit in... there is still this pull towards the outcome or goal this place represents.

I know I'm not the only one who is strongly drawn with a mixture of fascination, envy and sadness when I see someone posting of their end.

 

[noaccount]

Yeah this woman is acting in a manner of condescension, invasive nonconsensual behavior and paternalism. (And yeah why only other women? Herein infantilizingly called girls.)

 

[Stan]

I know this scenario is completely different, but the style of writing is more accommodating.

Paralysed cyclist shares heartbreaking decision to end his life in Facebook post six years after breaking neck in crash

A CYCLIST has shared his heartbreaking decision to end his life in an emotional Facebook post penned six years after he was paralysed in a freak accident. Michael Bonney, 60, from Penrith in Cumbri…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[khw777]

I know this scenario is completely different, but the style of writing is more accommodating.

Paralysed cyclist shares heartbreaking decision to end his life in Facebook post six years after breaking neck in crash

A CYCLIST has shared his heartbreaking decision to end his life in an emotional Facebook post penned six years after he was paralysed in a freak accident. Michael Bonney, 60, from Penrith in Cumbri…

www.thesun.co.uk

What a heart breaking story!