Discussion Strong cases for existence of afterlife (No, NOT NDEs). I now understand why people talk about afterlife.

[curiousbeing]

Here are a few cases that can't be easily dismissed
1. Shared death experiences. One person is dying. Another person suddenly feels it or the room starts becoming colder
2. Historical events such as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Barn_Murder

Greenbrier Ghost - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

3. Terminal lucidity. For example, here is a post I took from reddit:

The week before my Dad died (sarcoma in his heart) he had been having a hard time sleeping, moving or thinking. I went to visit him on the Friday and he was nowhere to be seen, then I heard the sounds of sheep being moved into the yards (about 1km away.

Go down there to find my Dad drafting sheep for sale the next day. It's like there was nothing wrong whatsoever, and a great event to remember him by.

He died on the Tuesday.

How do you think about all these things?

 

[SaulGoodmanxX]

Are you dismissing NDE's, but vouching for these? My thoughts of death change all the time, but i think NDE's and OBE's can be some of the better arguments for something after death. But these are all atleast a little valid too. Im most skeptical of the Greenbrier Ghost story, if the lady had been murdered like. the day after, sure, but saying the body was discovered "the next year" after the stepmother had the dream could mean anywhere from like a week to a whole year.

 

[curiousbeing]

Are you dismissing NDE's, but vouching for these?

No. It is just that NDEs are frequently talked about but such stuff isn't. So I wrote about them. I believe in NDEs. Even if they are hallucinations, there is something unusual about them.

 

[Al_stargate]

I believe in other realms of existance. I been into spirituality for over a decade and specially with eastern spiritual practices there is lot of believable testimonials about inner experiences usually while meditating and descriptions of other worlds. I been practicing meditations too for years and had certain experiences, mostly audible but was never able to open my third eye. Right before I ruined my life with unnecesary medical procedure I had a dream where a bearded man handed me a noose to hang myself. It was quite vivid and happened right before I woke up. I believe it was some spiritual entity trying to warn me but in my bad judgement I disregarded it as silly dream. Personally I am 99% convinced this world is just a tiny part of overall creation and that there is no death really. Only thing that follows us is our deeds that are our karma for better or worse. And I gotta say I also believe there is karmic burden for suicide so I would say that suicide should be absolutely last option to consider. I find people that disregard God and afterlife to be quite silly honestly. Their dislike for organized religions has clouded their judgment and intuitive wisdom. And I agree that religions are mostly just political show but can't make conclusions just because of your feelings towards certain aspect of something that might not even have anything to do with the real thing. Yeah that's my take. I do believe that after death people go to heavenly judge where all their actions and deeds are accounted for.