SS members who become normal

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The CTB rate of SS members is quite low and slow because of lack of accessibility, SI, pro-lifers etc etc.

But it makes me wonder about the opposite end of the spectrum. I wonder whether anyone has left this site, never to come back, and has become a fully functioning member of society with no more pain and no more suicidal ideation.

I reckon 90+% of us here at any one time will be neither of those two and instead remain being in the middle continuing to have suicidal ideation and pain but struggling to end it.

(Purely guesswork) I reckon there's rolling 3-5% CTB rate of SS members.

But I reckon the rate of full recovery (and I don't mean managing pain - rather having no pain) of SS members is much lower. I'll be surprised if there's even been 1

I guess I am just rambling and wondering what that would even feel like. I fantasise about it but I can never actually picture it.

 

[motel rooms]

(Purely guesswork)

Yeah, all of this is purely guesswork...

But I reckon the rate of full recovery (and I don't mean managing pain - rather having no pain) of SS members is much lower. I'll be surprised if there's even been 1

I'm sure there are people who achieve full recovery. Not everyone who joins SS is extremely suicidal.

 

[Pluto]

There are definitely a number who leave due to recovery. Sometimes they post about it before they go. And that's a good thing! Perhaps they just needed to let off some steam and find their way. A minority are antagonistic towards the site.

It would take a pretty major miracle for me to become 'normal' from this point, and I am planning accordingly. A combination of bucket list stuff, tying loose ends with people (I've been on a gift-giving spree for the few people who genuinely cared, ensuring the gifts are not disposable items), practical matters pertaining to the estate and setting everything up so that I can go whenever a major depressive episode hits me. It's a realistic, clinically calculated strategy based on the assumption of historical patterns repeating indefinitely.

 

[OrcWitch]

I wonder whether anyone has left this site, never to come back, and has become a fully functioning member of society with no more pain and no more suicidal ideation.

I reckon 90+% of us here at any one time will be neither of those two and instead remain being in the middle

Yeah I believe whether I live or die I have accepted that as long as I'm alive I will always carry this burden of pain.

 

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Yeah, all of this is purely guesswork...



I'm sure there are people who achieve full recovery. Not everyone who joins SS is extremely suicidal.

i guess ur right, there'll be a varying range of people who come to this site. i just feel like from my perspective that if u end up on SS u already have pain to the point that it will at best only ever minimise but never truly go away. once u are on SS - although u may go on in life pretending - u will never truly be like the rest of mainstream society again

 

[motel rooms]

i guess ur right, there'll be a varying range of people who come to this site. i just feel like from my perspective that if u end up on SS u already have pain to the point that it will at best only ever minimise but never truly go away. once u are on SS - although u may go on in life pretending - u will never truly be like the rest of mainstream society again

Well, no human being can ever completely get rid of pain. That doesn't mean that some people can't completely stop experiencing suicidal ideation...

 

[iCan'tStandLifeAnymo]

The CTB rate of SS members is quite low and slow because of lack of accessibility, SI, pro-lifers etc etc.

But it makes me wonder about the opposite end of the spectrum. I wonder whether anyone has left this site, never to come back, and has become a fully functioning member of society with no more pain and no more suicidal ideation.

I reckon 90+% of us here at any one time will be neither of those two and instead remain being in the middle continuing to have suicidal ideation and pain but struggling to end it.

(Purely guesswork) I reckon there's rolling 3-5% CTB rate of SS members.

But I reckon the rate of full recovery (and I don't mean managing pain - rather having no pain) of SS members is much lower. I'll be surprised if there's even been 1

I guess I am just rambling and wondering what that would even feel like. I fantasise about it but I can never actually picture it.

Functionong member of society is nice way to say slave.

 

[Deadweight]

Functionong member of society is nice way to say slave.

But what is the alternative? Sit on the sidelines and languish in poverty and misery while life passes you by? I'd rather be a slave than this.

 

[demuic]

There are multiple here who have nothing to recover from because they're not suicidal.

 

[iCan'tStandLifeAnymo]

But what is the alternative? Sit on the sidelines and languish in poverty and misery while life passes you by? I'd rather be a slave than this.

Lol I didn't said that. There's no alternative and it sucks. I just hate the term "functioning member of society".

 

[Nymph]

If you have some mental illness then it's not very likely you'll ever fully recover because it can just be managed but not cured. I have been kind of recovering and I've taken pretty long breaks from SS but it's not like I'll ever be back to "normal" like I was for example when I was like 5 or something ya know. And most ppl who end up here do have some kind of mental health struggles so most ppl from here also won't fully recover.

 

[Chey]

Interesting thoughts.... just to add, I know of two people who were in this site who have left the site and recovered. Recovered to the point of being able to function without feeling suicidal or even having the thoughts. One person needed medication which has help them to manage so I it is possible.

I was in recovery but have fallen again and unfortunately suicidal thoughts become very strong for me. I reckon its in my blood given the history of suicides in my immediate bloodline family.

 

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If you have some mental illness then it's not very likely you'll ever fully recover because it can just be managed but not cured. I have been kind of recovering and I've taken pretty long breaks from SS but it's not like I'll ever be back to "normal" like I was for example when I was like 5 or something ya know. And most ppl who end up here do have some kind of mental health struggles so most ppl from here also won't fully recover.

This is basically what I meant but put better.

Mental illness is like losing your legs. It's not like you can grow them back and have your legs as they were before. Sure some are more fortunate and avoid being paralysed and can have prosthetic legs that allows them to get through daily life. But they'll never be the same biological legs you once had. They'll always be that reminder that you no longer have "normal" legs.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that if someone has considered suicide as an option they can never be 'normal' again. I have no idea what normal would be, I guess that term is subjective, for me normal is wanting to die, it is who I am, I would not be me without wanting suicide. Of course things do get better for some people, but I believe that if you have seriously considered suicide, and you try to get better and end up in a crisis again, you will revert back to suicidal thinking.

 

[stellabelle]

The CTB rate of SS members is quite low and slow because of lack of accessibility, SI, pro-lifers etc etc.

But it makes me wonder about the opposite end of the spectrum. I wonder whether anyone has left this site, never to come back, and has become a fully functioning member of society with no more pain and no more suicidal ideation.

I reckon 90+% of us here at any one time will be neither of those two and instead remain being in the middle continuing to have suicidal ideation and pain but struggling to end it.

(Purely guesswork) I reckon there's rolling 3-5% CTB rate of SS members.

But I reckon the rate of full recovery (and I don't mean managing pain - rather having no pain) of SS members is much lower. I'll be surprised if there's even been 1

I guess I am just rambling and wondering what that would even feel like. I fantasise about it but I can never actually picture it.

If I had to guess, I'd say that some stagger back, some move forward, some die, some don't.

 

[Tintypographer]

I think that if you recover which is a good thing then you likely leave this site for good because the feelings of needing to belong, have other understand your suicidal ideation and desire to not be around "you have so much to live for" proclamations have abated. You likely don't want to be associated with the despair anymore and just force yourself to not come back


I've felt like that before and have left here. All it takes is a few minutes of looking at fixthe26 or suicide forum and remembering the anger and hateful things I was told in those places for my feelings of hopeless and countering with black and white statements and I'm right back to full suicidal ideation here for months.

This place helps me a lot to sort through how I feel.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

It's a mistake to treat SaSu members as a homogenous group. If you were to divide members into groups this thing would make more sense. Age, gender, reason for being here in the first place, methods, etc. Then we'd probably figure out which people are more likely to make a full recovery and which people are more likely to ctb. But, yes, it feels likely that most end up doing nothing until their situation changes somehow.

For an example; it's ridiculous to group together a socially isolated 80 y/o man in chronic pain that's sitting on a bottle of N with a young college student that "isn't really feeling ok rn" due to lockdown and is going for a vitamin D overdose.