Venting Sorry but suicide is not a tragedy, our existences don’t matter so we should all just be able to die in peace when we want to.

[DreamEnd]

that would mean empathy is not real lmao. but it is. ppl feel empathetic bc they believe things could have gotten better (even if it wouldn't).
i think its normal that someone in your life or a stranger might have a more optimistic outlook on your situation. its normal. in what world would we live in if everyone just didnt care when ppl died from suicide.
i get happy when i see others happy. i think some ppl might think about me the same. so of course they are going to be sad when i decide to kms bc they want to see me happy. i think thats very selfless. suicide isnt selfish. wanting a person to stay alive isnt selfish. suicide is a symptom and outcome of most mental illnesses. being sad bc a human died is empathy.

Nice, you put it better than I could.

 

[walkingdead2023]

that would mean empathy is not real lmao. but it is. ppl feel empathetic bc they believe things could have gotten better (even if it wouldn't).
i think its normal that someone in your life or a stranger might have a more optimistic outlook on your situation. its normal. in what world would we live in if everyone just didnt care when ppl died from suicide.
i get happy when i see others happy. i think some ppl might think about me the same. so of course they are going to be sad when i decide to kms bc they want to see me happy. i think thats very selfless. suicide isnt selfish. wanting a person to stay alive isnt selfish. suicide is a symptom and outcome of most mental illnesses. being sad bc a human died is empathy.

Well-said!

 

[SilentSadness]

that would mean empathy is not real lmao. but it is. ppl feel empathetic bc they believe things could have gotten better (even if it wouldn't).
i think its normal that someone in your life or a stranger might have a more optimistic outlook on your situation. its normal. in what world would we live in if everyone just didnt care when ppl died from suicide.
i get happy when i see others happy. i think some ppl might think about me the same. so of course they are going to be sad when i decide to kms bc they want to see me happy. i think thats very selfless. suicide isnt selfish. wanting a person to stay alive isnt selfish. suicide is a symptom and outcome of most mental illnesses. being sad bc a human died is empathy.

Empathy is when you want the best for someone taking into account their opinion, wanting someone to live no matter what is just selfish or obsessive. If someone really had empathy they would be happy they died if that's what the person wanted. But anyway I agree that we should be able to die when we want, it's really miserable that so many people want to force others to stay alive because of a lack of empathy.

 

[DreamEnd]

Empathy is when you want the best for someone taking into account their opinion, wanting someone to live no matter what is just selfish or obsessive. If someone really had empathy they would be happy they died if that's what the person wanted.

In no way in the world ever would someone be "happy" after someone close to them just died unless they deeply hated that person and wanted them gone. The opposite of empathy

But anyway I agree that we should be able to die when we want, it's really miserable that so many people want to force others to stay alive because of a lack of empathy.

Wanting others to stay alive isn't lack of empathy. It is actually empathy because you try to help the person get better, you care about them and want them to be happy. Forcing others to stay alive doesn't mean torturing them and preventing them from attaining peace. It means trying out different things to see if they can get better and helping them which is empathy. Saying"hey you want to die? Ok go ahead if that's what you want" is borderline cruel and illogical.

 

[slightoverlooked]

Empathy is when you want the best for someone taking into account their opinion, wanting someone to live no matter what is just selfish or obsessive. If someone really had empathy they would be happy they died if that's what the person wanted. But anyway I agree that we should be able to die when we want, it's really miserable that so many people want to force others to stay alive because of a lack of empathy.

then i am a selfish and obsessive person for wanting to see people i like on here recover. well, i am happy when i see strangers recover. i dont judge anyone for ctb, i wouldnt be here if i didnt want to myself.
ik the whole debate of "you can't regret it when u died" is true but some ppl ctb impulsively. if we gave people free will to ctb whenever how many ppl would do it in a delirious impulsive state?

'they would be happy they died if that's what the person wanted' idk man :/
the whole selfish debate is stupid anyway. we are all a little selfish bc we are humans.
anyway i think being extremely pro-choice in this debate is not my cup of tea. but everyone has their opinion.
in your definition, i might be a shitty pro lifer. but if someone is in my reach I'd try my best to get them to recover. when someone loses all hope it's very worthy (imo) to have hope for this person, to believe that things might get better. even if it's not always the case.
everyone has free will but that doesn't mean we have to leave everyone alone with their free will. it's understandable to want to support even if most ppl aren't good at it because they have a lack of understanding.
i try to be empathetic and understanding of the people that don't want me to die.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Anyone who enjoys this life is a loser worthy of contempt and copious amounts of spit and shit dumped on them.

 

[Hotsackage]

The universe even ends up barried in the end, so whether you want to live or not, enjoy the ride

 

[walkingdead2023]

In no way in the world ever would someone be "happy" after someone close to them just died unless they deeply hated that person and wanted them gone. The opposite of empathy

Wanting others to stay alive isn't lack of empathy. It is actually empathy because you try to help the person get better, you care about them and want them to be happy. Forcing others to stay alive doesn't mean torturing them and preventing them from attaining peace. It means trying out different things to see if they can get better and helping them which is empathy. Saying"hey you want to die? Ok go ahead if that's what you want" is borderline cruel and illogical.

then i am a selfish and obsessive person for wanting to see people i like on here recover. well, i am happy when i see strangers recover. i dont judge anyone for ctb, i wouldnt be here if i didnt want to myself.
ik the whole debate of "you can't regret it when u died" is true but some ppl ctb impulsively. if we gave people free will to ctb whenever how many ppl would do it in a delirious impulsive state?

'they would be happy they died if that's what the person wanted' idk man :/
the whole selfish debate is stupid anyway. we are all a little selfish bc we are humans.
anyway i think being extremely pro-choice in this debate is not my cup of tea. but everyone has their opinion.
in your definition, i might be a shitty pro lifer. but if someone is in my reach I'd try my best to get them to recover. when someone loses all hope it's very worthy (imo) to have hope for this person, to believe that things might get better. even if it's not always the case.
everyone has free will but that doesn't mean we have to leave everyone alone with their free will. it's understandable to want to support even if most ppl aren't good at it because they have a lack of understanding.
i try to be empathetic and understanding of the people that don't want me to die.

%100 agree with you

Anyone who enjoys this life is a loser worthy of contempt and copious amounts of spit and shit dumped on them.

Back at you!

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Suicide really isn't tragic, in fact death isn't a big deal at all, there's nothing special about us as humans and those who pretend otherwise are deluded. At the end of the day if one dies sooner or later it all just leads to the same result in the end, us being completely forgotten about and that's all we are destined for. We are destined for nothing but to die anyway, we are literally just waiting around to die, we really don't matter and existence is overall so incredibly meaningless.

Suicide is literally just the way to prevent unnecessary suffering in an existence that was always pointless in the first place so therefore for me suicide is very rational, there's nothing tragic about permanently not existing, there's no sadness in choosing to be eternally relieved from the torturous and futile burden of existing as a human.

Existence itself is the true problem and an abomination, there is no meaning or purpose to existence, in fact existence is literally nothing more than a virus that just creates harm and suffering. So really it's insane and extreme cruelty wishing to deny people a painless death, there are literally no disadvantages to not existing which is all we are destined for anyway, it really is like many people forget how futile existence truly is and how both normal and inevitable death is.

Can I get an AMEN ???

 

[DreamEnd]

I've been around people who didn't care if I was actually happy or not, they only wanted me to be happy because it annoyed, angered or burdened them to show my true feelings. I don't think Sserafim is generalizing everyone who grieves, but is more so referring to a common tactic in which people try to prevent someone from ctbing by guilt-tripping them into staying alive, without first considering their feelings/opinions on the matter. Personally I think both sides are selfish - and just as people are free to do what they want with their lives, people are free to mourn them as well. As it's human nature to mourn what could've been, and I can't entirely fault someone for wanting out either.

I agree but I think guilt tripping is a harsh word for it. I mean, if your suicide causes someone else to die and you are asked to try to get better an stay alive because that person might die. I mean technically they are guilt tripping you and forcing you to live but I dont think its always a negative thing. Maybe this action will prompt a person to get better and get the help they need and recover. Who knows, its very personal

 

[DreamEnd]

It's a harsh truth but that's exactly what it is - if someone is suffering from chronic illness but you tell them their pain is necessary in order to save someone's life - they would argue you that you are the harsh and cruel one for prolonging their suffering. They would make an argument much like Sserafims; that our suffering is miniscule in the grand scheme of things - and that who are you to decide if their suffering is worth it or not? Morals are subjective - when it comes to the personal suffering of an individual. There's a difference between informing an individual of the consequences of their decision and enforcing/coercing them to make the decision you prefer.

well you pick an example that I cant argue with. Of course that would be guilt tripping and torture. But what about someone who is just going through a period idk, they just got fired from the job or broke up with someone. They can say the same thing about you being cruel or prolonging their suffering etc. But that might just be something they can get over with with time and by not interfering you are actually doing the opposite of helping. If all morals are subjective then shouldnt absolutely anyone who decides to ctb have the option to do so? Teenagers, people under the influence of psychosis or mania? After all, you are imposing your view on them if you decide to interfere its like deciding whether their suffering is worth it or not. Why should you be able to do that?

 

[divinemistress36]

Juvenile crap imo, so hugely distant from the reality of death

@sserafim has Austism don't call them juvenile they have a different perspective on things

 

[DreamEnd]

What I'm talking about here is people who uses guilt to try to get someone to not ctb, which even in the case of being fired or a bad breakup - wouldn't be necessary and would cause more harm than good. For teenagers, people suffering from psychosis or mania I don't see how that'd help either. I'm not saying all morals are subjective in general - I'm saying when it comes to an individual's suffering, people aren't going to care if what they're doing is right or wrong or who it might affect, because the only thing they're looking for is relief. Guilt-tripping someone only does more harm than good, it creates more pressure, stress, etc. But if we're talking about whether access to peaceful methods is imposing my views - I don't think it is because it's left up to the individual to decide if it's worth it or not. If it were accessible, it'd probably be treated like a prescription drug but for adults - you'll need an evaluation from a psych, permission from a doctor and to be of age.

ok i agree with the rest of what you said except for the fact that guilt tripping can sometimes be positive. For instance if you tell someone to think of what they are going to leave behind and how other people may feel they might reconsider their actions, seek help and recover. Of course not in every case but in some it can happen. I see nothing wrong with that, People can absolutely care about how their actions can affect others, if they matter o them of course

 

[DreamEnd]

I personally would rather be reassured over guilt-tripped, because reassurance actually takes that person's feelings into account and then tries to convince them otherwise from a place of empathy and understanding.

i mean technically yeah different ways for different people i guess

I personally would rather be reassured over guilt-tripped, because reassurance actually takes that person's feelings into account and then tries to convince them otherwise from a place of empathy and understanding. Whenever someone tried to guilt-trip me, I just ended up feeling more frustrated, invalidated and guilty, like either I was a burden or that I was being burdened.

for me personally i know that my father will die which is whats keeping me alive even though there is no help for me and i am practically just imprisoned in a torture chamber until I ctb.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I saw a 47-post FC thread and was hoping for something a little more juicy. Damn.

 

[TheSpookyNameGuy]

I saw a 47-post FC thread and was hoping for something a little more juicy. Damn.

Same, had my popcorn out ready for some big fights with the big names.

Just have to wait 2 days for the next one haha

 

[Adûnâi]

Juvenile crap imo, so hugely distant from the reality of death

Being anti-mortalist on a suicide forum is like trying to spread feminism on an incel board.

suicide is a symptom and outcome of most mental illnesses.

Why did you randomly decide to put such a dehumanising part in an otherwise decent post?

 

[Meteora]

Suicide is a human right and the last taboo of our society.

 

[Pluto]

Same, had my popcorn out ready for some big fights with the big names.

Just have to wait 2 days for the next one haha

 

[slightoverlooked]

Why did you randomly decide to put such a dehumanising part in an otherwise decent post?

???? Sorry for believing in science lol. Not going to explain this.

 

[rozeske]

I saw a 47-post FC thread and was hoping for something a little more juicy. Damn.

The 55-post got me here too....funny how most of FC threads turn into a tea party quick :)

Anyone who enjoys this life is a loser worthy of contempt and copious amounts of spit and shit dumped on them.

Us being the very small minority of the total population, we can't really call those who enjoy life loosers and all that now can we?

 

[Captive_Mind515]

that would mean empathy is not real lmao. but it is. ppl feel empathetic bc they believe things could have gotten better (even if it wouldn't).
i think its normal that someone in your life or a stranger might have a more optimistic outlook on your situation. its normal. in what world would we live in if everyone just didnt care when ppl died from suicide.
i get happy when i see others happy. i think some ppl might think about me the same. so of course they are going to be sad when i decide to kms bc they want to see me happy. i think thats very selfless. suicide isnt selfish. wanting a person to stay alive isnt selfish. suicide is a symptom and outcome of most mental illnesses. being sad bc a human died is empathy.

While I don't completely disagree with a lot of what you said here, very often the pro-lifer attitude goes much further than simply trying to be caring or empathetic.

It starts with the basic premise, that life is inherently good and death is inherently bad. Even though there isn't actually any objective evidence to prove this to be factual. So then if you accept this premise, you can give yourself the moral authority to "save" people from something bad. This makes some people do all sorts of crazy things, that very often completely disregard the feelings or opinions of others. They are a noble knight, riding in on their white horse to save the day! Their desire to be virtuous completely superseding and engulfing any other view or perspective on the situation...

 

[walkingdead2023]

I agree but I think guilt tripping is a harsh word for it. I mean, if your suicide causes someone else to die and you are asked to try to get better a stay alive because that person might die. I mean technically they are guilt tripping you and forcing you to live but I dont think it's always a negative thing. Maybe this action will prompt a person to get better and get the help they need and recover. Who knows, its very personal

Being anti-mortalist on a suicide forum is like trying to spread feminism on an incel board.


Why did you randomly decide to put such a dehumanising part in an otherwise decent post?

It's the truth! Can you say " you're not mentally ILL"?

 

[4.I.2.Must.Die]

Can I get an AMEN ???

Yes we worship you because you were on here from near enough the moment sasu was first created I bow to you in prayer

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I think that people are under an illusion that we matter, but we actually don't. We're only seen as valuable in the eyes of society for what we can contribute and how it can profit/make money off of us. Society just wants to exploit people for their labor, capitalism needs wageslaves to function successfully. It doesn't actually care about your well-being or you as an individual. It only sees you for your productivity, not who you actually are

I agree. People overestimate how important people are. In a hundred years, everybody here will die off and nobody here will be remembered in around 150 years maximum. Compared to how the universe has been around for billions of years, a couple of hundred years is nothing

 

[DreamEnd]

Being anti-mortalist on a suicide forum is like trying to spread feminism on an incel board.


Why did you randomly decide to put such a dehumanising part in an otherwise decent post?

This isn't a pro mortalist forum buddy.

 

[Dot]

I.m.o tho if xistnce ds nt mattr thn xistnce cnnt b an abominatn eithr

cnnt hve bth

 

[4.I.2.Must.Die]

I.m.o tho if xistnce ds nt mattr thn xistnce cnnt b an abominatn eithr

cnnt hve bth

And the last word comes from the unimpeachable wisdom of dotty dot @Dot

 

[sedationgapmoe]

A swing and a whole ass miss, FuneralCry. This negative line of thinking isn't gonna make anything any less worse than it is. You've been posting shit like this the entire time I've been on this website, if not earlier than that. No wonder you feel awful, you're not making an effort to get better.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Yes we worship you because you were on here from near enough the moment sasu was first created I bow to you in prayer

Kneel Before NOT !!!!

I am such a nerd !!!!