Sorry but I can't stand it - methods question

[lazzaro]

Hello to everybody. I want to use a method of suicide with this requirement. I know that there are books and megathread on methods but every time I try to read them I feel so depressed I cannot read anymore. In another thread, I will explain my motivations.

I need a method that:

1) is enough fast not to enable me to ask for help if I should change my mind
2) has no consequences if I'll be 'saved'
3) is painless
4) is lethal for sure
5) Is not visually shocking for the people that will discover it

I think that the best option for me is an overdose of something by ingestion or inhalation

I fear injections

Thank you

 

[Death is beautiful]

It's hard to find a perfect method that matches everything you've written

But for example N (nembutal)
1. He needs a few minutes to kill you
2. I don't know
3. Yes, it's painless
4. Yes, it is definitely lethal
5. No, your body will be fine

the disadvantage of this method is that nembutal is difficult to get and it costs about $ 1000

SN
1. It takes an average of 20 minutes for this to work, so yes, you will have time to inform someone
2. As a rule, an unsuccessful attempt does not lead to serious consequences
3. It's relatively painless
4. Yes, it is definitely lethal if it is pure SN
5. Your body will change color to blue
BTW SN is much easier to get, the cost is about $10

 

[cyanlove]

It's hard to find a perfect method that matches everything you've written

But for example N (nembutal)
1. He needs a few minutes to kill you
2. I don't know
3. Yes, it's painless
4. Yes, it is definitely lethal
5. No, your body will be fine

the disadvantage of this method is that nembutal is difficult to get and it costs about $ 1000

SN
1. It takes an average of 20 minutes for this to work, so yes, you will have time to inform someone
2. As a rule, an unsuccessful attempt does not lead to serious consequences
3. It's relatively painless
4. Yes, it is definitely lethal if it is pure SN
5. Your body will change color to blue
BTW SN is much easier to get, the cost is about $10

This is a really good list.
The only thing I may add to it is the helium method.
1. About 2-3 minutes to pass out but about ten to twenty to actually die.
2. If you're saved you would have a lot of oxygen loss. There was a story about a Philippino man whose family found him and he was fine. But whoever found you would have to find you within that small window to do actual harm.
3. Extremely painless because helium doesn't trigger the "dying" feeling you get in your chest from holding your breath too long.
4. Yes, it's lethal so long as you correctly place the bag and helium source.
5. Not that shocking.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

This is a really good list.
The only thing I may add to it is the helium method.
1. About 2-3 minutes to pass out but about ten to twenty to actually die.
2. If you're saved you would have a lot of oxygen loss. There was a story about a Philippino man whose family found him and he was fine. But whoever found you would have to find you within that small window to do actual harm.
3. Extremely painless because helium doesn't trigger the "dying" feeling you get in your chest from holding your breath too long.
4. Yes, it's lethal so long as you correctly place the bag and helium source.
5. Not that shocking.

I just wanted add that if you're in the USA, the helium that you can just go buy at a reg store won't kill you. They started mixing it with oxygen (?) or something.

 

[lostautist]

Inert gas. Argon seems to be the easiest to get in pure form seeing how it's used for welding.

 

[cyanlove]

I just wanted add that if you're in the USA, the helium that you can just go buy at a reg store won't kill you. They started mixing it with oxygen (?) or something.

Ugh. There's also a helium shortage which is sad because helium is necessary for MRI's functionality.

 

[Ta555]

Inert gas. Argon seems to be the easiest to get in pure form seeing how it's used for welding.

So is nitrogen. You will never get 100% pure anything especially for welding or food grade. That stuff is only made for high tech expensive labs. You don't need 100% pure to CTB. 99% is fine. AFAIK the atmosphere is 18% oxygen. Anything below that and it starts to be dangerous. If you're in an environment that has 1% or 2% oxygen you're not surviving.

 

[lostautist]

So is nitrogen. You will never get 100% pure anything especially for welding or food grade. That stuff is only made for high tech expensive labs. You don't need 100% pure to CTB. 99% is fine. AFAIK the atmosphere is 18% oxygen. Anything below that and it starts to be dangerous. If you're in an environment that has 1% or 2% oxygen you're not surviving.

You can get the argon off ebay. Unblended Nitrogen and helium seem to be much more difficult to source, 20/80 is easy but won't work. Atmosphere is 21%. Anything lower than 19.5% is considered oxygen deficient and is considered Immediate Danger to Life and Health. 6% oxygen is considered death.

 

[Ta555]

I don't know what country you're in but it was extremely easy for me to get 99% nitrogen. I just got it delivered from a beer brewing supplies company. You don't even need to go to a welding store. Everyone says how nitrogen is so hard to source. It really not if you know what it's used for and what kind of stores to check.

 

[lostautist]

I don't know what country you're in but it was extremely easy for me to get 99% nitrogen. I just got it delivered from a beer brewing supplies company. You don't even need to go to a welding store. Everyone says how nitrogen is so hard to source. It really not if you know what it's used for and what kind of stores to check.

Yeah, I can't find it on xxx.

 

[Ta555]

Yeah, I can't find it on amzon or ebay.

that's what I'm telling you. You don't need amazon or ebay. Look up gas suppliers, welding stores and brewing supplies stores in your area.

 

[lostautist]

Do you realize those aren't easier places to get it from? I got my argon with 1 click.

 

[Ta555]

Do you realize those aren't easier places to get it from? I got my argon with 1 click.

I got my nitrogen with a click too from the site of a local store. What is your point? I'm just trying to say is often people come on here saying 'I can't even get nitrogen in my country!' which is not right. Nitrogen is not an illegal substance and every country has professional and hobby welders so everyone can definitely get 99 per cent nitrogen in their country unless they live in a very impoverished third world place.

 

[lostautist]

I got my nitrogen with a click too from the site of a local store. What is your point? I'm just trying to say is often people come on here saying 'I can't even get nitrogen in my country!' which is not right. Nitrogen is not an illegal substance and every country has professional and hobby welders so everyone can definitely get 99 per cent nitrogen in their country unless they live in a very impoverished third world place.

Well, just pat yourself on your back why don't you. I couldn't easily find it, thanks for reading my mind and my search history to contradict my obvious delusions. At least it's nice to know you're quite proud of yourself.

 

[marinekiwi]

Inert gasses like nitrogen are a good method but you need a proper mask (CPAP or similar) and a regulator, plus knowing how to operate it with the mask on, which is not that easy as it seems and requires a bit of practice beforehand

 

[Ta555]

Well, just pat yourself on your back why don't you. I couldn't easily find it, thanks for reading my mind and my search history to contradict my obvious delusions. At least it's nice to know you're quite proud of yourself.

I have no idea what you're in about. I'm glad you were able to find your argon. I'm just trying to let people know that there ware ways to find inert gas besides Amazon. Have a nice day

Inert gasses like nitrogen are a good method but you need a proper mask (CPAP or similar) and a regulator, plus knowing how to operate it with the mask on, which is not that easy as it seems and requires a bit of practice beforehand

Never use a CPAP mask with inert gas. High chance of failure. It must be a very high quality scuba mask. There are details on the inert gas megathread.

 

[lostautist]

I have no idea what you're in about. I'm glad you were able to find your argon. I'm just trying to let people know that there ware ways to find inert gas besides Amazon. Have a nice day

What's my point? I feel more trolled than having received friendly guidance.

I checked microbrewery stores, locally and didn't see any on their sites, like the first half dozen or so google sites most of which didn't list it, and didn't want to sign up for an account at our local gas distributor, and the local restraunt supply only had massively large tanks. On one click sites, unmixed helium and nitrogen aren't that easy to find. And if you even go to the megathread, this has been noted a few times. It's not as easy to find anymore. Argon was a lot easier.

 

[Ta555]

What's my point? I feel more trolled than having received friendly guidance.

I checked microbrewery stores, locally and didn't see any on their sites, like the first half dozen or so google sites most of which didn't list it, and didn't want to sign up for an account at our local gas distributor, and the local restraunt supply only had massively large tanks. On one click sites, unmixed helium and nitrogen aren't that easy to find. And if you even go to the megathread, this has been noted a few times. It's not as easy to find anymore. Argon was a lot easier.

I'm not trolling you. You said yourself you didn't want to sign up to the local gas distributor. Not wanting to open account somewhere, which is perfectly understandable, is different from not being able to find the gas anywhere. I was under the impression from your earlier posts that you weren't able to find gas anywhere except Amazon that's why I said to look at the other places. This is very much a misunderstanding.

 

[lostautist]

I said argon was easier to get. It was. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[new.solution1]

Where can you purchase nitrogen gas online?

 

[Justnotme]

I don't know what country you're in but it was extremely easy for me to get 99% nitrogen. I just got it delivered from a beer brewing supplies company. You don't even need to go to a welding store. Everyone says how nitrogen is so hard to source. It really not if you know what it's used for and what kind of stores to check.

Maybe people mean that it is difficult to get 99.9999% nitrogen? 99.999% nitrogen (three nines after the dot) is used in research and medicine. So, it is already difficult to get it. Nitrogen 90%-99.998% is considered low purity nitrogen. I see that forum users order nitrogen 99.0%-99.99%. But in fact, this purity is not enough. Do I understand correctly?

 

[WanderingWater]

95% is a standard welding gas for nitrogen. It works. No need for 99% etc.

Check out a former member

FightingSioux
Very informative.

 

[outrider567]

Where can you purchase nitrogen gas online?

welding stores

 

[chan3llaa]

Okay but once you have the tank how do you do it and do it properly?

 

[outrider567]

Okay but once you have the tank how do you do it and do it properly?

The Inert Gases Mega Thread here will tell you--Look for poster Greenberg, who is the resident expert----A regulator is attached to the Nitrogen tank(must be at least 22 cu ft or 600 liters)--You turn the Nitrogen tankon and it will show 2000 PSI---A flowmeter is attached to the regulator--Clear plastic tubing about a half inch is attached to the flowmeter(15 liters per minute for flowmeter)---Tubing is put into the Exit Bag,the plastic bag(Turkey bag in supermarkets)--All connections must be firmly attached--You then tighten the exit bag as the Nitrogen fills the bag---A few deep breaths dropped my oxygen from 98 to 45 during a test

 

[Swallowtail312#]

that's what I'm telling you. You don't need amazon or ebay. Look up gas suppliers, welding stores and brewing supplies stores in your area.

I looked up brewing supplies stores, then looked up nitrogen on one of the store websites, and found only what looked like nitrogen in a packet. :( Then tried "nitrogen gas;" same results.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

Inert gasses like nitrogen are a good method but you need a proper mask (CPAP or similar) and a regulator, plus knowing how to operate it with the mask on, which is not that easy as it seems and requires a bit of practice beforehand

Absolutely false, if anyone is reading this please don't try this with a CPAP. Also you don't operate it with the mask on like you're describing, you let the nitrogen flow into the bag above your head first and fill before you pull it down over your head.