some thoughts and question

[starfish996]

why suicide is considered a stigma? why cant we live life acc to our terms?
at what term of human psychology do we reach to even consider suicide as means of freedom and salvation
we can throw unwanted things, kill sick animals but why cant we do Ctb

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Most people aren't chronically suicidal, so they can't really understand it. It's also seen as giving up and society tends to frown upon quitters.

 

[SamTam33]

If the masses acknowledge your right to kill yourself, then they have to ultimately examine the reasons WHY you want to kill yourself.

If they examine your reasons, then they'll have to consider whether or not those reasons apply to others.

If those reasons apply to others, then we'll be expected to address them. And we don't want to address or fix anything.

It's much easier to pretend like nothing is broken except your perspective and that life is wonderful.

You're crazy and need help if you don't agree. It's propaganda and brainwashing. The original gaslight.

Also, allowing people to freely kill themselves can severely impact the workforce and taxpayer base. It affects how many people tithe or generate revenue for the upper class.

It's like asking a slave master why they oppose their slaves escaping.

Going to college? Buying a house? Those things are championed because they generate years worth of revenue for universities and banks.

If you die, the funeral homes makes a few thousand dollars from burying you. Meh.

And if the kids want to die? It's an absolute tragedy because they haven't been able to bear any babies or accrue any debt.

We can't let them die before they've paid into the system.

Something like that.

 

[starfish996]

If the masses acknowledge your right to kill yourself, then they have to ultimately examine the reasons WHY you want to kill yourself.

If they examine your reasons, then they'll have to consider whether or not those reasons apply to others.

If those reasons apply to others, then we'll be expected to address them. And we don't want to address or fix anything.

It's much easier to pretend like nothing is broken except your perspective and that life is wonderful.

You're crazy and need help if you don't agree. It's propaganda and brainwashing. The original gaslight.

Also, allowing people to freely kill themselves can severely impact the workforce and taxpayer base. It affects how many people tithe or generate revenue for the upper class.

It's like asking a slave master why they oppose their slaves escaping.

Going to college? Buying a house? Those things are championed because they generate years worth of revenue for universities and banks.

If you die, the funeral homes makes a few thousand dollars from burying you. Meh.

And if the kids want to die? It's an absolute tragedy because they haven't been able to bear any babies or accrue any debt.

We can't let them die before they've paid into the system.

Something like that.

system basically wants us to pay, they use the words of empathy, emotions and all these
but the truth is nobody can understand our feelings better than our own selves
people have difficulty in understanding people who have or are committing suicide, they have this first thought in mind that yeah this so and so person is crazy,
they have difficulty in understanding what the person is going through, so yeah they use gaslight terms and no body wants a person to die no matter what the hell they are going through

your statements resonate with what society expects out of a ctb person

Most people aren't chronically suicidal, so they can't really understand it. It's also seen as giving up and society tends to frown upon quitters.

that's very much true

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Empathy is predicated on recognizing yourself in another person's experience. This is simplest when it comes to visible or universal experiences like a broken bone. It's harder with less overt and general experiences like being suicidal. If that recognition isn't there, then empathy begins to break down.

Suicide does leave damage. The person who suicided isn't around anymore to explain apologize. Their pain has dissipated but the pain of the survivors remains and so the focus naturally falls on that. Given the taboo nature of suicide and the punitive measures taken against it, suicide has to generally be carried out in the shadows, compounding the damage it causes.

There are over 8 billion people in the world and that number is only continuing to grow. The stigma and misunderstanding occur primarily because people don't realize that we are NOT all the same. Our individual biochemistries, personal breaking points, and subjective assessments of what constitutes an acceptable quality of life are going to vary as wildly as you would expect in a complex species numbering more than 8 fucking billion. And yet these people continue to insist all of humanity with the same broad, sweeping brushstrokes. Sometimes death can be considered a more humane alternative than bringing expected to continue to endure physical and/or mental pain. Again, to grasp this really requires having been in a similar position before in life or a very robust ability to imagine, which unfortunately tends to lie beyond the reach of the average person.

Suicide may be a deliberate choice, but the circumstances that propel people to that outcome generally are anything but voluntary.

 

[FuneralCry]

Maybe suicide is considered a stigma, as the reality of suicide being a rational and acceptable choice represents what some people fear and shatters their delusional beliefs towards life and the world. Many people live under this delusion that life is always worth enduring and they place so much value and emphasis on continuing to exist and the thought of someone voluntarily preferring death over life scares them as it's something they don't understand and wish to avoid. I do believe that the delusion of life being 'valuable' is linked to the instinct to survive and the fact that this existence is all that they know and this can lead to humans fearing insignificance and the thought of losing everything, so this gives them the belief that life is something so important and is of value so therefore they believe that life should always be prolonged.

And there are the common reasons as to why suicide is so stigmatised such as the selfishness of others who don't want to lose someone voluntarily and also the fact that the society needs workers (slaves), so the society needs to purposely make suicide difficult so especially everyone who endures such an unfulfilling existence won't just easily ctb. But yes, it really is such a pro suffering and torture world. It's irrational to claim that suicide is wrong under any circumstance as to die removes the true cause of all problems in the first place and there are no disadvantages to being dead. I do view it as being so wrong how suicide is still so stigmatised though, as the reality is that there is no value to suffering just to inevitably deteriorate and then die.