sodium nitrite survival

[wontbeheremuchlonge]

Wondering how likely survival is from ingesting sodium nitrite if I'm not interrupted/found. Also if it's worth the extra cost to buy 99% purity or just get 97%. Hoping it isn't too painful of a process.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

There's more to just "ingesting" some random amount, right? You know that, right? You need to ingest a specific amount for lethality. At least a few hours after ingestion before being found is advisable. There's an entire protocol to follow in order to have the best chance at a successful ctb with SN. There's fasting, taking some other drugs like anti-emetics, maybe some pain meds, and more. You need to find the Megathread on SN and read it carefully. It shouldn't make any difference whether 99% or 97%, anything above 95% should be OK.

 

[wontbeheremuchlonge]

There's more to just "ingesting" some random amount, right? You know that, right? You need to ingest a specific amount for lethality. At least a few hours after ingestion before being found is advisable. There's an entire protocol to follow in order to have the best chance at a successful ctb with SN. There's fasting, taking some other drugs like anti-emetics, maybe some pain meds, and more. You need to find the Megathread on SN and read it carefully. It shouldn't make any difference whether 99% or 97%, anything above 95% should be OK.

Thanks for the reply. I found the guide and I know the correct dose to take. Just slightly worried about throwing it up but I'll have backup glasses in case.

 

[GrizzlyGrapefruit]

You need to find the Megathread on SN and read it carefully. It shouldn't make any difference whether 99% or 97%, anything above 95% should be OK.

I agree that this part should be quite negligible, but if you want to be extra safe, you can just take it into account when doing your measuring.

For example, if you need 95g of SN and have a 95% pure product, you'd want to weigh out 100g of the SN. So purity is more or less and easy problem to handle.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Thanks for the reply. I found the guide and I know the correct dose to take. Just slightly worried about throwing it up but I'll have backup glasses in case.

Well, you sound like you have it all in hand then.

I agree that this part should be quite negligible, but if you want to be extra safe, you can just take it into account when doing your measuring.

For example, if you need 95g of SN and have a 95% pure product, you'd want to weigh out 100g of the SN. So purity is more or less and easy problem to handle.

The thing about the quantity of SN needed for ctb is that it has been figured to provide the amount adequate for ctb. The more you take, the more likely you are to vomit. The body doesn't like poisons, and instantly recognizes SN as a poison, and takes measures to expel it from your system. If you think you can handle taking a bit more, that's on you. and as you said, you'll have extra glasses prepared just in case. Works for a lot of people. Not 100%, though. Nothing really is. Maybe a shotgun in the mouth is, IDK.

 

[Mofreeko]

2 grams can kill you, it just takes a lot longer than 25 grams and you can be conscious for hours before you go unconscious. I've read the survival SN accounts here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OKnH260kpVBA9_o3_hpvmLW5sdhemQ-d8GC9GwTP2i8/edit and the vast majority were either found or called emergency services themselves. One guy drakewantstogo vomited 3 times and still would have died if he didn't call emergency. So it seems that even if you do vomit after taking 25grams, there is a good chance you will still die, but it gives you more time to be conscious for survival instinct to kick in. This is why a second glass is essential just in case.

 

[Death is my goal]

2 grams can kill you, it just takes a lot longer than 25 grams and you can be conscious for hours before you go unconscious. I've read the survival SN accounts here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OKnH260kpVBA9_o3_hpvmLW5sdhemQ-d8GC9GwTP2i8/edit and the vast majority were either found or called emergency services themselves. One guy drakewantstogo vomited 3 times and still would have died if he didn't call emergency. So it seems that even if you do vomit after taking 25grams, there is a good chance you will still die, but it gives you more time to be conscious for survival instinct to kick in. This is why a second glass is essential just in case.

so the less you take the less likely you will vomit but it will take longer to die?

 

[Mofreeko]

so the less you take the less likely you will vomit but it will take longer to die?

I'm not sure, but it would make sense that the more you take the higher the likelihood of vomiting. However, the more you take at once the more has a chance to get absorbed before vomiting. I still think the standard of 25g with antiemetics is best. However, there is evidence that less is still a valid option.

Here's a thread by user @icedtea15 where he documents his experience of taking 2grams of SN: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/testing-sn-how-to-get-to-hospital-fast.74903/

 

[Littlewittlelight]

so the less you take the less likely you will vomit but it will take longer to die?

Also the less you take the less likely you are to fail and the more you take the more likely you are to vomit so they specified the correct quantity according to them which should work. Neither taking too less or taking too much seems lethal. Taking too much could be but taking too less stands no chance because it's already a failure. They meant just right amount for it to be lethal and make it less likely for you to vomit that's.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-on-the-forum-as-a-cause-of-sn-failure.47986/

There have been 2 or 3 since then that have said vomiting caused them to fail... out of hundreds..

 

[Belle1990]

I failed because of vomiting like a ridiculous amount and I fasted don't know where my body found it from. I also couldn't drink the second cup because of the amount I was vomiting so that's my failure. Its so disappointing

 

[wontbeheremuchlonge]

I failed because of vomiting like a ridiculous amount and I fasted don't know where my body found it from. I also couldn't drink the second cup because of the amount I was vomiting so that's my failure. Its so disappointing

Hi, how much did you take? And was it over 95% purity? Even after vomiting I'm surprised you recovered without needing medical attention

 

[Belle1990]

Yes it was from ic took 25g and I think i should have got medical attention but was holding on to hope that it would still kill me eventually. I was very poorly kept passing out, lost control of bladder and bowels, dizzy,heart racing etc.

 

[Mofreeko]

Yes it was from ic took 25g and I think i should have got medical attention but was holding on to hope that it would still kill me eventually. I was very poorly kept passing out, lost control of bladder and bowels, dizzy,heart racing etc.

I'm sorry but I'm very skeptical of this claim. If even a fraction of the 25grams made it to your small intestine, survival doesn't seem likely without medical intervention, especially since you said you fasted and took meto, which speeds stomach emptying.

 

[Belle1990]

That's your opinion but I know what happened to me and just trying to be honest about my experience

 

[wontbeheremuchlonge]

I'm sorry but I'm very skeptical of this claim. If even a fraction of the 25grams made it to your small intestine, survival doesn't seem likely without medical intervention, especially since you said you fasted and took meto, which speeds stomach emptying.

Think there are some pro lifers that try to put doubts about this method?

 

[Belle1990]

Certainly not a pro lifer pro choice I will not make my experience public again if this is how you get treated took courage to post it in the first place. It was a very traumatic experience. And if I can stop the vomiting next time I'm sure this method will work

 

[Mofreeko]

Think there are some pro lifers that try to put doubts about this method?

I'm not going to level accusations without proof. I'll just maintain that I'm skeptical that her failure happened the way she says.

 

[MiserableAlways354]

Honestly I think that the sodium nitrite stuff might be hocus pocus. I was looking into it myself and I think that it doesn't make logical sense. Think about it....50 ML of water and 25 grams of sodium nitrite? How is that even possible? A regular water bottle holds 500 ml of water. So that means a tenth of that? That makes no sense. I think we're just gonna have to stick out life.

 

[thebunny]

Honestly I think that the sodium nitrite stuff might be hocus pocus. I was looking into it myself and I think that it doesn't make logical sense. Think about it....50 ML of water and 25 grams of sodium nitrite? How is that even possible? A regular water bottle holds 500 ml of water. So that means a tenth of that? That makes no sense. I think we're just gonna have to stick out life.

what do you mean it doesn't make sense? because it makes sense for most people—me included—and certainly not "hocus pocus" for those who've successfully attempted on ctb using that method.

 

[hopelessgirl]

Honestly I think that the sodium nitrite stuff might be hocus pocus. I was looking into it myself and I think that it doesn't make logical sense. Think about it....50 ML of water and 25 grams of sodium nitrite? How is that even possible? A regular water bottle holds 500 ml of water. So that means a tenth of that? That makes no sense. I think we're just gonna have to stick out life.

Really you think so? You're the first person I see writing this

 

[Idontmatter]

Honestly I think that the sodium nitrite stuff might be hocus pocus. I was looking into it myself and I think that it doesn't make logical sense. Think about it....50 ML of water and 25 grams of sodium nitrite? How is that even possible? A regular water bottle holds 500 ml of water. So that means a tenth of that? That makes no sense. I think we're just gonna have to stick out life.

I'm sure all of the people that have successfully ctb'd with sn would beg to differ. It might not be the most pleasant death but it definitely works.

 

[Cathy Ames]

I'm sorry but I'm very skeptical of this claim. If even a fraction of the 25grams made it to your small intestine, survival doesn't seem likely without medical intervention, especially since you said you fasted and took meto, which speeds stomach emptying.

I find this claim perfectly credible. She vomited immediately, continued vomiting, was ill afterwards (typical symptoms), and the symptoms resolved, as would be expected with a small dose. The body has an enzyme that converts methemoglobin back into normal hemoglobin. It's just very slow in comparison to getting treated with methylene blue.

Just FYI, you can vomit out stuff that has already passed through the stomach into the duodenum. Any number of google searches will confirm this. For example, here is the top search result for a search on "can you vomit from the small intestine?" It says, "Vomiting is the forceful expulsion of contents of the stomach and often, the proximal small intestine."

Physiology of Vomiting

Certainly not a pro lifer pro choice I will not make my experience public again if this is how you get treated took courage to post it in the first place. It was a very traumatic experience. And if I can stop the vomiting next time I'm sure this method will work

@Belle1990, I believe you.

 

[Mofreeko]

I find this claim perfectly credible. She vomited immediately, continued vomiting, was ill afterwards (typical symptoms), and the symptoms resolved, as would be expected with a small dose. The body has an enzyme that converts methemoglobin back into normal hemoglobin. It's just very slow in comparison to getting treated with methylene blue.

Just FYI, you can vomit out stuff that has already passed through the stomach into the duodenum. Any number of google searches will confirm this. For example, here is the top search result for a search on "can you vomit from the small intestine?" It says, "Vomiting is the forceful expulsion of contents of the stomach and often, the proximal small intestine."

Physiology of Vomiting

@Belle1990, I believe you.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-on-the-forum-as-a-cause-of-sn-failure.47986/

 

[Cathy Ames]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-on-the-forum-as-a-cause-of-sn-failure.47986/

This post predates Belle1990's attempt. And it only "proves" (actually collects) what had or had not been reported on the forum up until that point in time.

Aside from which, it includes two accounts "that conceivably could result from vomiting."

 

[Mofreeko]

This post predates Belle1990's attempt. And it only "proves" (actually collects) what had or had not been reported on the forum up until that point in time.

Aside from which, it includes two accounts "that conceivably could result from vomiting."

ok dude, believe what you want. I choose to be skeptical. Agree to disagree.

 

[wljourney]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-on-the-forum-as-a-cause-of-sn-failure.47986/

Interesting thread. Thanks for finding/sharing.
While it is good to know that in 2020 (when the method was still fairly new) only a few reported vomiting, I would assume that the more time passes and the more people try SN, the more data will come up and some will report vomiting.
That's to be expected.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that a few people experience vomiting as side effect. Especially if meto hasn't been taken/couldnt be acquired. Every body reacts differently and it's not an unusual reaction to a poison.

However IIRC this user had reported their failed attempt earlier this year and it wasn't quite clear if they had used SN or unknowingly a substitute. AFAIK they decided to purchase a second batch of SN, but I am not sure if this also resulted in a failed attempt or if they just haven't tried again since then.

IMO the lesson should be: take your meto. Be prepared with a 2nd glass.
If you fail and you are not ready for glass #2, try to abort and induce vomiting. Then reschedule/regroup.

 

[Cathy Ames]

ok dude, believe what you want. I choose to be skeptical. Agree to disagree.

Mainly I posted because I think it is really shitty the way people treat others who are sharing their own direct experiences. Seeing this, anyone else who has a failure will be less likely to mention it. What a lonely and rotten experience that would be for them.

However IIRC this user had reported their failed attempt earlier this year and it wasn't quite clear if they had used SN or unknowingly a substitute. AFAIK they decided to purchase a second batch of SN, but I am not sure if this also resulted in a failed attempt or if they just haven't tried again since then.

No, that was a different person. I don't think they vomited at all... just went to sleep, expecting to die, and then had the unpleasant experience of waking back up again. Followed by the unpleasant experience of being accused of lying, being a pro-lifer, etc.

 

[wljourney]

No, that was a different person. I don't think they vomited at all... just went to sleep, expecting to die, and then had the unpleasant experience of waking back up again. Followed by the unpleasant experience of being accused of lying, being a pro-lifer, etc.

Oh my mistake then. I thought they just changed their user name after that experience.

 

[Cathy Ames]

Oh my mistake then. I thought they just changed their user name after that experience.

Here's that other account. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/failed-sn-not-sure-why.92077/ . Belle attempted in September. Mentioned a prior attempt with drug OD, I think.