So, what's your take on Zoraya Ter Beek outcome?

[lastexit717@proton.]

Physically-healthy Dutch woman dies by euthanasia shortly

A physically-healthy Dutch woman died by euthanasia soon after turning 29 because she didn't want to live with depression and anxiety.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Girl asked to be allowed to take the bus because of severe depression and she get the courts to agree , is this a mayor development for us?
Im sorry for quoting The Daily Mial, mayor news outlets refuse to cover the stuff at all .

 

[lizzywizzy09]

Good for her... I'm glad she found peace.

 

[bramblebamblebambe]

Reading the comments, it is such a relief to see the vast majority are understanding and respectful.

 

[Raven2]

I'm glad she is no longer suffering and was able to make use of VAD.
We should have these laws worldwide.

But I did read this comment on the daily mail comments page....

"Euthanasia seemed an ideal but unobtainable blessing.

However, I have since found out that euthanasia is not the peaceful death that we imagine it to be. It may look peaceful to the observer, but for the individual going through it, they slowly drown in their own bodily fluid for about 15 - 20 minutes. They are unable to raise the alarm as one of the medications they are given also causes paralysis.

This effect is known from the autopsies of death row prisoners who have been humanely euthanised."

I wonder if this is true?

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

I'm glad she is no longer suffering and was able to make use of VAD.
We should have these laws worldwide.

But I did read this comment on the daily mail comments page....

"Euthanasia seemed an ideal but unobtainable blessing.

However, I have since found out that euthanasia is not the peaceful death that we imagine it to be. It may look peaceful to the observer, but for the individual going through it, they slowly drown in their own bodily fluid for about 15 - 20 minutes. They are unable to raise the alarm as one of the medications they are given also causes paralysis.

This effect is known from the autopsies of death row prisoners who have been humanely euthanised."

I wonder if this is true?

you are supposed to get an anesthesia dose first to knock you off before the lethal drug is distributed, that way you dont feel anything

 

[UKscotty]

I think it has to be managed very carefully.

In one mind it terrifies me that they could legalise it here, we would be massacred.

Before I'd personally support it, I'd want to see a massive level up of suicide prevention and mental health services. Having killing people the default would be horrendous.

Here in the UK our government does almost nothing for suicide prevention, they simply don't care.

 

[fleetingnight]

I think it has to be managed very carefully.

In one mind it terrifies me that they could legalise it here, we would be massacred.

Before I'd personally support it, I'd want to see a massive level up of suicide prevention and mental health services. Having killing people the default would be horrendous.

Here in the UK our government does almost nothing for suicide prevention, they simply don't care.

This is a good way to put it. It's a really good thing, but I just hope it's never pushed on anyone. I know not everyone feels this way, but to me, it should be a last resort. Not everyone can recover with help and a change of circumstances, but a lot could, and they deserve at least a chance at that first. It's complicated though, because I don't want it to be too difficult for anyone to access, either.

Edit: As I reread this I found it a little insulting that they had to mention she was physcially healthy, as if that means her suffering mattered less, but maybe I'm reading too far into it

 

[Superdeterminist]

I envy her greatly. I would just like to know what her reasons for being depressed were in more detail, out of curiosity. I would hope that other countries follow the Netherlands' example, but I doubt they will, so we will have to continue to take it into our own hands.

 

[lastexit717@proton.]

I'm glad she is no longer suffering and was able to make use of VAD.
We should have these laws worldwide.

But I did read this comment on the daily mail comments page....

"Euthanasia seemed an ideal but unobtainable blessing.

However, I have since found out that euthanasia is not the peaceful death that we imagine it to be. It may look peaceful to the observer, but for the individual going through it, they slowly drown in their own bodily fluid for about 15 - 20 minutes. They are unable to raise the alarm as one of the medications they are given also causes paralysis.

This effect is known from the autopsies of death row prisoners who have been humanely euthanised."

I wonder if this is true?

Daily Mail is a conservative tabloid so i think they pretty much make out that last negative twist

 

[BardBarrie]

I'm glad she's now at peace.

Honestly, I'm envious.

 

[itsneverbeenmoreove]

The 29-year-old, who celebrated her birthday on May 2, said that she had a good life - but that it wasn't enough to live for.
'I have a house. Two cheerful cats. And a partner who loves me dearly, and I love him. I've got everything. But that "all" is not enough to live for.'
Beek's partner supported her wish and he was by her side when she died.

This is honestly really meaningful to me. It sometimes feels like I don't have the "right" to die on my own terms because I have so many "good" things. But just having those isn't necessarily "enough" to keep living. I'm very happy to hear that her partner stayed with her. My partner left me recently and it has really crushed me, so there's something satisfying reading about someone who loves their partner so much they are willing to be with them as they go through with euthanasia. That can't be an easy thing, but it also displays the best aspects of love. I think it's worth remember that. I'd like to one day reach a point where loved ones are willing to be open to things like this more often.

 

[natthebrat]

I'm sure she was a wonderful person who will have people that miss her, but it's her decision. If she doesn't want to stay in this world, she shouldn't be forced to. I'd get euthanized too if I could.

 

[ringo99]

I envy her. If only the rest of the world was as enlightened as the Dutch

 

[Maravillosa]

I am torn. Part of me admires and envies Zoraya. I tweeted after I read of her death:

May God have mercy on the soul of #zorayaterbeek & quickly bring her to Heaven. The crosses #zoraya was obliged to carry were too much for her. Redemptive suffering almost seems repulsive to me & probably was alien to her. Rest in peace, dear soul, & rise in glory!

On the other hand, part of me wonders about that psychiatrist who told Zoraya that there was nothing more to be done and that Zoraya would never get better. Even if that is true, should a mental health professional tell that to a client with severe mental illness? I might think differently if Zoraya had had no romantic relationship, or if her parents were dead, or if she was at least 40. I think of how I was in my twenties and thirties, and usually, I am glad that I survived those years. The main reasons I've refrained from ctb so far are a) wanting to finish and publish at least one novel; b) not wanting to devastate my poor mother by predeceasing her; and c) fear that God will not look favorably upon it (even though I hope He would be gentle to the souls of all people who ctb). But it was wise of Zoraya to choose assisted dying rather than a do-it-yourself ctb, which could leave one worse off than before if it were to fail. Nevertheless, I am so ambivalent about this.