Discussion So about *that* video

[Navi]

I recently clicked on a certain video that was made about this site out of curiosity for the comments and MY GOD the amount of ignorance is insane. People really enjoy being patronizing, don't they?

 

[chop]

Yup, that's how people are all the uneducated people.

Still curious tho on what method "bobbyc" used that was so horrific.

 

[AllFoxedOut]

Yup, that's how people are all the uneducated people.

Still curious tho on what method "bobbyc" used that was so horrific.

train. pretty horrific to be fair.

 

[nom de guerre]

People who have not been pushed to the edge (that they feel they have to end everything, despite having tried their all), wouldn't understand. Must be nice.

They would pretend to be sad and affected for a bit and then move on with their merry lives after a while. It seems like they only "care" when someone is gone, but not extend any helpful gesture or care when that person was still around otherwise that person they know wouldn't have felt so alone and helpless. If these people are so approachable and genuine with their concerns, people would feel safe to seek help and support from them

And may I suggest if anyone else were to be interested in watching the cursed video to go through a link e.g. invidious (and not watch it directly on the yt source) so that would it not contribute to its views or boost its engagement/visibility to the benefit of the f$$$wit

 

[Forever Sleep]

train. pretty horrific to be fair.

Was 'BobbyC' the member 'Spent Stardust'? In which case- it was really obvious that he had pretty much decided on that method before he came on here. It's only something I looked back at once that whole thing with Jonels (Tantacrul) was underway.

Personally, I do struggle with the train method. I feel desperately sorry for people that have no other choice but I struggle with what it must do to the driver. So- initially, I just skipped the post. But- yeah- it wasn't like he got that idea from here. People were discussing it I suppose and Tantacrul was angry that a group of suicidal people didn't do all in their power to stop another suicidal person from exercising their choice.

I really don't think Tantacrul was reasonable or even fair though. Most people will encourage people towards recovery if there is any hope. From what I could tell though- this member went directly into talking about method information. I think Tantacrul must think we should be grilling people as to why they are here. Is their reason good enough? I doubt people like him would ever see someone's reasons as being good enough though!

I don't know. I think the sort of place he would like to see is one we would deliberately avoid because it would be full of people with saviour complexes spewing out platitudes and eventually becoming unpleasant when they realise some of us don't want to be or won't be saved by them.

Honestly, I've avoided that video and the comment section but I can imagine what's there. I imagine there is- ironically MANY more comments inciting members here to kill themselves already than you would find here!

 

[MewtwoIsAlive]

People who have not been pushed to the edge (that they feel they have to end everything, despite having tried their all), wouldn't understand. Must be nice.

They would pretend to be sad and affected for a bit and then move on with their merry lives after a while. It seems like they only "care" when someone is gone, but not extend any helpful gesture or care when that person was still around otherwise that person they know wouldn't have felt so alone and helpless. If these people are so approachable and genuine with their concerns, people would feel safe to seek help and support from them

And may I suggest if anyone else were to be interested in watching the cursed video to go through a link e.g. invidious (and not watch it directly on the yt source) so that would it not contribute to its views or boost its engagement/visibility to the benefit of the f$$$wit

I completely agree.

 

[Holu]

I support Tanta.

The weird thing about Tanta is that, according to This Forum, he's actually responsible for a considerable amount of our population. In a weird way, he's kinda an unintentional pro-suicide hero, since his lack of objectivity and understanding of mental health has single handedly brought so many suffering people, many of which who were able to find comfort in this community as well as find humane and relatively painless deaths.

In all honesty I find it pretty strange the video is still up. I think at this point, if he cared about the people taking their lives, he would have seen the impact his video made in terms of people coming here, and chosen to remove or private the video. Iirc he's not making money off the video(at least directly from the video in terms of ads + sponsors), but it is the biggest video on his platform. Anyways, it's for this reason I support Tanta, not because of his dogshit terrible opinions or perspectives, but because of the unintended good he has done for us.

Oh, and we love you Rain <33333 thank you for putting up with the horrible slander thrown at you. You are our protector frfr.

Edit: I no longer support Tanta in any way even ironically for bringing people here. Video isn't age restricted. Disgusting.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Porn is very ignorant I agree.

 

[Holu]

Porn is very ignorant I agree.

Um… you know what I agree! Idk if this was where u intended to put the message but well said!

 

[Ambivalent1]

Um… you know what I agree! Idk if this was where u intended to put the message but well said!

Derailed thread. Achievement unlocked

 

[Forever Sleep]

I support Tanta.

The weird thing about Tanta is that, according to This Forum, he's actually responsible for a considerable amount of our population. In a weird way, he's kinda an unintentional pro-suicide hero, since his lack of objectivity and understanding of mental health has single handedly brought so many suffering people, many of which who were able to find comfort in this community as well as find humane and relatively painless deaths.

In all honesty I find it pretty strange the video is still up. I think at this point, if he cared about the people taking their lives, he would have seen the impact his video made in terms of people coming here, and chosen to remove or private the video. Iirc he's not making money off the video(at least directly from the video in terms of ads + sponsors), but it is the biggest video on his platform. Anyways, it's for this reason I support Tanta, not because of his dogshit terrible opinions or perspectives, but because of the unintended good he has done for us.

Oh, and we love you Rain <33333 thank you for putting up with the horrible slander thrown at you. You are our protector frfr.

Doesn't he get money from it- if it has adverts? Personally- no- I think it's appalling. I understand he felt a connection to the one member who CTB and it upset him enough to make the video. Last count though- 723 people are here because of him. Likely many, many more. If he REALLY thought this place was so dangerous- he shouldn't have advertised it.

Much worse though- I believe his viewer base likely has a large proportion of minors. That means our mods have had a LOT more pressure put on them to try and filter out applications from them. You can bet some still got through and are here now. That was his major criticism too- that we're encouraging children to kill themselves.

The very cynical part of me wonders whether he even minds if more children do it- because eventually that is more likely to lead to the closure of the site. I don't believe he age restricted the video- why not? Did he really think that his cautionary tale would put off youngsters? I appreciate he was upset and it's nice that he cares about people but I don't think his actions support his professed concern.

That said- I agree- this place isn't the death cult it's made out to be. I found this place via The New York Times article. Another media piece that intended to warn people off. I think this place provides a valuable support group for people. That said though- it also provides method information. I think it's perfectly fair to argue that people may be much more likely to CTB if they can find a more peaceful way to go. Some of those people MIGHT be acting impulsively. And now- these other people- in the name of preventing suicide have pointed likely 1000's by this stage directly to it! Not that we can't find the information elsewhere but- I don't think the implementation of their motives are well thought out at all.

 

[Holu]

Doesn't he get money from it- if it has adverts? Personally- no- I think it's appalling. I understand he felt a connection to the one member who CTB and it upset him enough to make the video. Last count though- 723 people are here because of him. Likely many, many more. If he REALLY thought this place was so dangerous- he shouldn't have advertised it.

Much worse though- I believe his viewer base likely has a large proportion of minors. That means our mods have had a LOT more pressure put on them to try and filter out applications from them. You can bet some still got through and are here now. That was his major criticism too- that we're encouraging children to kill themselves.

The very cynical part of me wonders whether he even minds if more children do it- because eventually that is more likely to lead to the closure of the site. I don't believe he age restricted the video- why not? Did he really think that his cautionary tale would put off youngsters? I appreciate he was upset and it's nice that he cares about people but I don't think his actions support his professed concern.

That said- I agree- this place isn't the death cult it's made out to be. I found this place via The New York Times article. Another media piece that intended to warn people off. I think this place provides a valuable support group for people. That said though- it also provides method information. I think it's perfectly fair to argue that people may be much more likely to CTB if they can find a more peaceful way to go. Some of those people MIGHT be acting impulsively. And now- these other people- in the name of preventing suicide have pointed likely 1000's by this stage directly to it! Not that we can't find the information elsewhere but- I don't think the implementation of their motives are well thought out at all.

Holy shit I just checked and it's not age restricted. Never fucking mind I take back anything I said about supporting the fact he informed people. That is absolutely absurd wtf was he thinking

Also no adverts but not age restricting the video is beyond horrific.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Holy shit I just checked and it's not age restricted. Never fucking mind I take back anything I said about supporting the fact he informed people. That is absolutely absurd wtf was he thinking

Also no adverts but not age restricting the video is beyond horrific.

My generous side thinks maybe it's an ego thing. Maybe he thinks his younger viewers in particular will see him as some kind of authority father figure- so- when he tells them something is dangerous, they'll avoid it. I think it's more likely the opposite will happen though. People and especially, children are interested in things that are taboo.

Plus- children that are already suicidal and already thinking about methods will be thrilled to have finally found somewhere that details them. That's how I responded as an adult to The New York Times article- it said something like: 'Where people log on to die'. I was like- Jackpot!! These people REALLY don't understand the suicidal mind. It's like- they think everyone experiences these thoughts intrusively and WANT to fight them. By the time someone has recognised suicide as an acceptible option for them- they're probably not fighting those thoughts anymore.

But yeah- the generous interpretation I think is to see it as a naive saviour complex. The reality of it paints a different picture though. Over 700 new members because of him (at least) and a marked increase in teenages since I joined definitely. Some are likely already dead. I wonder if he feels anything about that. If he still believes he's fighting the good fight.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Imo it's because of that video that sn and nembutal sources are becoming rarer.

I guess people don't know clicking on that dumb video will cause the YouTube algorithm to suggest it to more people.

a click or view raises a videos score in the YouTube algorithm.

that prolife video is an attempt to take this site down.

it brought a lot of prolifers police news organizations etc here .

suicidal people had always found this site before that stupid video

I wouldn't click on it or start threads on it as those are just more ads for that dumb video

I'm trying to move towards nihilism. Nothing matters but avoiding extreme pain to me . So having n or SN sources matter to me .

but even if I was still a normie I wouldn't see why lies a nothing idiot like that says matters . Who cares what a creep like that says?

Imo that stupid video wouldn't have 4.2 million views if many here didn't fall for the trap of continuously posting about it.
It was a music channel or something. No video had nowhere near 4.2 million views and rising . It's viral.

He doesn't have the subscribers for 4.2 million views.

I didn't watch that garbage just went to the profile . By far the most viewed video

 

[Praestat_Mori]

That said- I agree- this place isn't the death cult it's made out to be.

I just picked up that part of your long post. But tbh it's not a death cult here. I was much more suicidal at the time when I joined here that I am now. I still want to CTB coz it's inevitable but up to some point SS kept me alive in the same time. And I didn't find SS via the *video" or the NYT article, actually I searched for a community because I have unsolvable problems and others may also have unsolvable problems for them.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I just picked up that part of your long post. But tbh it's not a death cult here. I was much more suicidal at the time when I joined here that I am now. I still want to CTB coz it's inevitable but up to some point SS kept me alive in the same time. And I didn't find SS via the *video" or the NYT article, actually I searched for a community because I have unsolvable problems and others may also have unsolvable problems for them.

Fair points but- according to the poll in the stickies- above- 50% of people are here via media pieces that were produced to villify this place and warn people off. I just find it amusingly (in a dark humoured way) ironic.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

suicidal people had always found this site before that stupid video

I agree with this and relate it to myself. I'm a bit suicidal since years but only a total crash and very deep depression and me being very close to CTB made me search for a community like this here.

 

[Celica45]

I support Tanta.

The weird thing about Tanta is that, according to This Forum, he's actually responsible for a considerable amount of our population. In a weird way, he's kinda an unintentional pro-suicide hero, since his lack of objectivity and understanding of mental health has single handedly brought so many suffering people, many of which who were able to find comfort in this community as well as find humane and relatively painless deaths.

In all honesty I find it pretty strange the video is still up. I think at this point, if he cared about the people taking their lives, he would have seen the impact his video made in terms of people coming here, and chosen to remove or private the video. Iirc he's not making money off the video(at least directly from the video in terms of ads + sponsors), but it is the biggest video on his platform. Anyways, it's for this reason I support Tanta, not because of his dogshit terrible opinions or perspectives, but because of the unintended good he has done for us.

Oh, and we love you Rain <33333 thank you for putting up with the horrible slander thrown at you. You are our protector frfr.

Edit: I no longer support Tanta in any way even ironically for bringing people here. Video isn't age restricted. Disgusting.

I'm actually here because of that video. I never knew this place existed beforehand. And I can def say that video was soo exaggerated in a decent amount of regards, from what i've seen so far this place actually feels pretty open and comfy to talk about more serious topics that most places just out right don't allow, I've only seen support and understanding from this community and I'm glad I found this place.

 

[Holu]

I'm actually here because of that video. I never knew this place existed beforehand. And I can def say that video was soo exaggerated in a decent amount of regards, from what i've seen so far this place actually feels pretty open and comfy to talk about more serious topics that most places just out right don't allow, I've only seen support and understanding from this community and I'm glad I found this place.

Fr I have yet to meet one of these "deranged psychos who gets off to people dying"

 

[MewtwoIsAlive]

Holy shit I just checked and it's not age restricted. Never fucking mind I take back anything I said about supporting the fact he informed people. That is absolutely absurd wtf was he thinking

Also no adverts but not age restricting the video is beyond horrific.

I guess they wanted even young people to see it.

 

[chop]

Hell nahhh what the hell, bro does have balls for that I respect it, what was his username on here?

 

[undynee]

People who have not been pushed to the edge (that they feel they have to end everything, despite having tried their all), wouldn't understand. Must be nice.

They would pretend to be sad and affected for a bit and then move on with their merry lives after a while. It seems like they only "care" when someone is gone, but not extend any helpful gesture or care when that person was still around otherwise that person they know wouldn't have felt so alone and helpless. If these people are so approachable and genuine with their concerns, people would feel safe to seek help and support from them

And may I suggest if anyone else were to be interested in watching the cursed video to go through a link e.g. invidious (and not watch it directly on the yt source) so that would it not contribute to its views or boost its engagement/visibility to the benefit of the f$$$wit

I wouldn't really agree with that

 

[wristcutangel]

the way the comments spoke made me so uncomfortable. wishing on active members to die, talking about hacking the forum, fake claiming people, misconceptions about the forum... the list just goes on and on.

it's like they think the forum is actively encouraging minors to come and join, whereas minors lie about their age online all the time, not just on sasu. hell, what if one of the members they were accusing of being a predator is actually a minor lying about their age? in that case, they're the ones that encourage kids to die.

there's so many misconceptions regarding the forum there, the recovery and off-topic forums weren't even mentioned. it's all just cutting and reframing things to suit their death cult narrative, without addressing the problem. why are minors even choosing to come to a suicide forum of all places? isn't that a catastrophic failure too? but instead, the forum is the one they all choose to blame.

talks about shutting down the forum, raiding the forum, none of them acknowledge the actual problem and by actively cutting off suicidal people from being able to express their feelings, i'm almost fully certain that the suicide rate would increase if anything. there's dozens of other places to find information on methods, but not many others to actually express what we feel.

 

[letsalllovelain]

talks about shutting down the forum, raiding the forum, none of them acknowledge the actual problem and by actively cutting off suicidal people from being able to express their feelings

For some reason people think that cutting off safe spaces for suicidal people will end their suicidal thoughts. They think the forum is making kids suicidal. if a kid comes across a guide on how to kill themselves, they're not gonna go and do it unless they already have some underlying problems

 

[Holu]

the way the comments spoke made me so uncomfortable. wishing on active members to die, talking about hacking the forum, fake claiming people, misconceptions about the forum... the list just goes on and on.

it's like they think the forum is actively encouraging minors to come and join, whereas minors lie about their age online all the time, not just on sasu. hell, what if one of the members they were accusing of being a predator is actually a minor lying about their age? in that case, they're the ones that encourage kids to die.

there's so many misconceptions regarding the forum there, the recovery and off-topic forums weren't even mentioned. it's all just cutting and reframing things to suit their death cult narrative, without addressing the problem. why are minors even choosing to come to a suicide forum of all places? isn't that a catastrophic failure too? but instead, the forum is the one they all choose to blame.

talks about shutting down the forum, raiding the forum, none of them acknowledge the actual problem and by actively cutting off suicidal people from being able to express their feelings, i'm almost fully certain that the suicide rate would increase if anything. there's dozens of other places to find information on methods, but not many others to actually express what we feel.

To be fair Tanta paints the whole forum as a place where twisted people get off to making children kill themselves. If that were the case it would be fucked up. Unfortunately you can't actually correct him since he hides + deletes comments.

 

[Navi]

There's so many misconceptions regarding the forum there, the recovery and off-topic forums weren't even mentioned. it's all just cutting and reframing things to suit their death cult narrative, without addressing the problem. why are minors even choosing to come to a suicide forum of all places? isn't that a catastrophic failure too? but instead, the forum is the one they all choose to blame.

Misconceptions don't matter as long as it gets you clicks I suppose. Really goes to show how no one could give a shit about us, they use us to portray themselves as saints and throw us away when they are done.

 

[lachrymost]

Mr. Tantamount to Cruelty is devestatingly ignorant about the harms of the mental health industry, which he insists can do no wrong. He thinks this place is crawling with sadists slavering over the adrenochrome they harvest from the deaths of teenagers. I would be shocked if he has ever experienced a severe mental health episode, let alone suicidality. He talks about it as if it can be remediated with a smiley face drawn on a Starbucks cup. Freakishly out of touch.

 

[YouLookSoCool]

What ever the other sites he was talking about in his video? He was saying, if your a women on here you should really think about that etc. like what's all that about?