SN via capsules

[ImpendingExit45]

All,

I've been laying pretty low for the past few months. I've tried to give hope one last try, while I tried to secure antiemetics. Needlessly to say, I have been unsuccessful with this, so I have been doing some research into the capsules idea. I will still use an OTC antiemetic, but it seems the capsule route is better suited to complete the bus ride even if you vomit.

First off, could someone confirm that these are the correct capsules?https://capsuline.com/products/caps...esistant-enteric-coated-empty-capsules-size-0

Secondly, will using gastric-resistant capsules dilute the acid regulator? It is my understanding the capsules are designed to bypass the stomach and breakdown in your intestines. I'm curious how this relates to the acid regulator, as the point is to empty your stomach.

Thank you for any research help you can provide.

 

[Bjsnode28]

All,

I've been laying pretty low for the past few months. I've tried to give hope one last try, while I tried to secure antiemetics. Needlessly to say, I have been unsuccessful with this, so I have been doing some research into the capsules idea. I will still use an OTC antiemetic, but it seems the capsule route is better suited to complete the bus ride even if you vomit.

First off, could someone confirm that these are the correct capsules?https://capsuline.com/products/caps...esistant-enteric-coated-empty-capsules-size-0

Secondly, will using gastric-resistant capsules dilute the acid regulator? It is my understanding the capsules are designed to bypass the stomach and breakdown in your intestines. I'm curious how this relates to the acid regulator, as the point is to empty your stomach.

Thank you for any research help you can provide.

I would recommend size 000 because it's a larger size and will hold close to 1gram. The smaller size will require you to swallow nearly double the amount of pills. Yes, vegetarian capsule are digested quicker than the gelatin capsule

 

[Jengator]

How many capsules would work and can you do it without the antiemetic?

 

[Bjsnode28]

How many capsules would work and can you do it without the antiemetic?

It depends on the size of the empty capsule. Size 000 is best because it holds almost a gram meaning that you need 15 to get the recommended amount of SN of 15 gram

 

[Jengator]

15 full capsules of SN?

 

[Bjsnode28]

15 full capsules of SN?

If you use the size 000

 

[ImpendingExit45]

Does anyone have an idea of how long it takes for the capsules to breakdown and the symptoms begin to start?

also still curious about the impact of ranitidine.

 

[Rachel74]

I'd use those caps. What's the digestion time though?

 

[ImpendingExit45]

I'd use those caps. What's the digestion time though?

That's one of my questions. All I know is they're designed to withstand the pH levels in the stomach, but the higher pH levels in the intestines successfully break them down. I clue on timing though.

 

[Rachel74]

Something to research. As that's the only way I'd

Something to research. As that's the only way I'd take them if I had to.

 

[Jengator]

Do you still need the antiemetic with this method?

 

[Rachel74]

Do you still need the antiemetic with this method?

I still would follow the emetic regime with this exactly the same way.

 

[Jengator]

Are there OTC options? I ordered them through N online pharmacy and nothing yet

 

[Ἡγησίας]

If you use the size 000

Not neccesary, I have mesured 20 grams of SN in 00 capsules and it filled exactly 20 units (with a capsule machine).

 

[lofistos345]

I'm not a fan of using capsules because of the time it takes to dissolve each capsule in the stomach

 

[ImpendingExit45]

I'm not a fan of using capsules because of the time it takes to dissolve each capsule in the stomach

Do you have an estimate on time it takes? I haven't seen anything about that yet.

 

[lofistos345]

Do you have an estimate on time it takes? I haven't seen anything about that yet.

not sure, that's why I personally don't feel comfortable using such method

 

[k75]

Someone did do a test to see the different breakdown times of the different capsules, but I can't find it. It may have been in get megathread. If I remember correctly, they determined the regular and vegan ones dissolved at the same rate, in about a minute. Could be wrong, though.

 

[Bjsnode28]

Not neccesary, I have mesured 20 grams of SN in 00 capsules and it filled exactly 20 units (with a capsule machine).

OH cool good to know. I was only going by the manufacturer size chart but I'm sure the size varies by vendor

 

[Subhuman]

OH cool good to know. I was only going by the manufacturer size chart but I'm sure the size varies by vendor

The sizes don't vary by vendor, they're standard. What varies is the weight of the substance.

 

[Bjsnode28]

The sizes don't vary by vendor, they're standard. What varies is the weight of the substance.

Ahh, thar that makes sense. The positive side from discovering the SN method has really tested my online research skills!

 

[ImpendingExit45]

Anyone able to provide some insight into the acid reducer aspect? I have ranitidine as required by SN method for normal ingestion, but I'm not sure how capsule ingestion would impact this part of the method.

For example, acid regulators are required by this method to decrease your stomach's fluid volume to speed up SN absorption. Wouldnt the use of capsules alter this since they are are designed to bypass the stomach and breakdown in the intestines?

 

[k75]

I'm not any sort of expert, but I don't believe it'll have much impact. The capsules dissolve fine in plain water, and you'll be washing them down with water, so...

 

[ImpendingExit45]

I'm not any sort of expert, but I don't believe it'll have much impact. The capsules dissolve fine in plain water, and you'll be washing them down with water, so...

Understood. Your body has to become overwhelmed by the SN, however, so I'm wondering if that still happens if the pills are being absorbed in a different location. It seems that the acid reducers only reduce volume in the stomach.

 

[k75]

Yes, it should be just as effective no matter how it gets into your system. The only variable might be how long that takes. But a lethal dose is still a lethal dose.

 

[Ἡγησίας]

I've found this research about the metabolizing of enteric capsules, and I'd be very pleased if someone could help me to interpret it for its possible applications to SN method.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285697323_In_vitro_and_invivo_evaluation_of_hydroxypropyl_methylpthalate_capsules#pf5

In my understanding it takes about two hours for the capsules to pass the stomach phase and a total of seven hours for a complete absorption in the intestine tract. Could this process be shorted with the meto regime (stomach emptying) and the 8 hours fasting? May the intestine mucose absorb properly the SN in comparation with the stomach? Or might it pass all the intestinal tract without being absorbed? I don't know either if a salt like sodium nitrite would present incompatibility with some intestinal enzymes.

Sorry, I'm stuck in the middle of possible alternatives to liquid use of SN (all because of my emetophobia).

@gingerplum

 

[MaybeMaybeKnot]

Make sure when you fill them you tamp them down and weigh them. It's easy to put way less than a gram in the capsules.

 

[k75]

In the experiments I've seen people here do on dissolving time of capsules, it happened way quicker than that. I don't believe it takes much longer to enter your system with them than without, and I don't think they would make it out of the stomach intact.

 

[Dystopia]

I've found this research about the metabolizing of enteric capsules, and I'd be very pleased if someone could help me to interpret it for its possible applications to SN method.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285697323_In_vitro_and_invivo_evaluation_of_hydroxypropyl_methylpthalate_capsules#pf5

In my understanding it takes about two hours for the capsules to pass the stomach phase and a total of seven hours for a complete absorption in the intestine tract. Could this process be shorted with the meto regime (stomach emptying) and the 8 hours fasting? May the intestine mucose absorb properly the SN in comparation with the stomach? Or might it pass all the intestinal tract without being absorbed? I don't know either if a salt like sodium nitrite would present incompatibility with some intestinal enzymes.

Sorry, I'm stuck in the middle of possible alternatives to liquid use of SN (all because of my emetophobia).

@gingerplum

These capsules shouldn't be used for SN as they take far too long to dissolve. Metoclopramide doesn't speed this up at all, it just stops vomiting from occurring.

We tested vegetable/gelatin capsules a while ago and they took around 30 minutes to dissolve in water. I imagine the stomach will do this quicker as they will be moving around.

Your body reverses the process of methemoglobinemia so slow absorption of SN in the intestine with those capsules will more than likely just cause a host of side effects and not achieve unconsciousness/death

 

[Ἡγησίας]

These capsules shouldn't be used for SN as they take far too long to dissolve. Metoclopramide doesn't speed this up at all, it just stops vomiting from occurring.

We tested vegetable/gelatin capsules a while ago and they took around 30 minutes to dissolve in water. I imagine the stomach will do this quicker as they will be moving around.

Your body reverses the process of methemoglobinemia so slow absorption of SN in the intestine with those capsules will more than likely just cause a host of side effects and not achieve unconsciousness/death

Yeah, actually I've been thinking something similar.

Offtopic: How much did the Energy Control analysis cost to you, 70 euros? The times I've sent samples I never told them what substance was, in order of getting a real result.