Story SN TIG welfare check Australia

[loyalskateboard]

Fuck me. I'm so annoyed right now you have no idea. You might have seen one of my threads about my SN order being held up in customs.

Turns out the fucking border force called an ambulance to show up at my house for a welfare check !!

They put me under an act to get assessed by a psychiatrist within 24 hours. They then decided to extend it into a treatment order. I'm stuck here for at least a week.

I hate the psych ward so fucking much. It's making me feel worse. Honestly it's increasing my suicidal ideation if anything. I just wanted a somewhat peaceful way out, or at least better than the alternatives, and now I don't even have that. They seized my SN.

Thank god I'm allowed my phone. If they knew I was posting here they'd probably take it away though.

Oh, one of the mental health staff said something weird. They said SN is a super painful way to go. Honestly I think she's full of shit but regardless it's better than my plan B of partial hanging in my fucking shower with the disability handle.

Good job Australia, you're making my death be as uncomfortable as possible.

Anyway, heads up to anyone in Australia. Apparently SN has been put on alert and welfare checks will be sent out if detected. I purchased from TIG. It's not just IC or whoever it was that had their list investigated.

God my legs were shaking so fucking bad when the paramedics showed up at my door. My anxiety is so high I just want to go home. I'm tired of the mental health system and life and just everything it includes. I'm so fucking done.

 

[Pluto]

That sounds absolutely horrible. One day we will look back at this as the dark ages of criminalising bodily autonomy. I could sympathise with them if they were at least providing you with a caring and nurturing environment, or any genuine support with your life's grievances. But obviously that is not so.

I am from Victoria and I bought SN off eBay about 3 years ago. It was very cheap, like A$13, high grade and came in a large tub. It was a routine transaction. The world has changed a lot since then (there was an ABC article naming the people behind the drastic shift) and our primitive authorities now act like someone in possession of a curing salt is a criminal to be locked up without trial.

 

[loyalskateboard]

That sounds absolutely horrible. One day we will look back at this as the dark ages of criminalising bodily autonomy. I could sympathise with them if they were at least providing you with a caring and nurturing environment, or any genuine support with your life's grievances. But obviously that is not so.

I am from Victoria and I bought SN off eBay about 3 years ago. It was very cheap, like A$13, high grade and came in a large tub. It was a routine transaction. The world has changed a lot since then (there was an ABC article naming the people behind the drastic shift) and our primitive authorities now act like someone in possession of a curing salt is a criminal to be locked up without trial.

It's ridiculous. I should be able to purchase anything that's legal without somebody showing up at my house. It's not like they give any support here. No groups, no therapies, barely any interaction with staff. I'm just sitting around waiting for a 30 minute appointment every couple of days to see if I can go home.

I'm calling it now - they say I need more support but they won't offer any. Not now, not with discharge. The system is so fucked and yes it's essentially a jail.

God I wish I ordered it years ago. Honestly it's going to get worse and I won't be surprised if it's illegal to import soon. Local supply with registered businesses only. Ugh.

It's still slightly unknown. The psychiatrist I saw today didn't even know what it was lmao. He had to look up how it's used for suicide.

I don't even know HOW I was put under a treatment order. I emphasised that I am not imminently suicidal, I don't have any plans, I don't have thoughts of self harm. Like. The ONLY reason is because ordering the SN apparently places me at high risk. Pfffffft. How many people here have kept it for months to years? I'm not going to immediately ctb and this admission won't solve anything. I'm so mad.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Fuck me. I'm so annoyed right now you have no idea. You might have seen one of my threads about my SN order being held up in customs.

Turns out the fucking border force called an ambulance to show up at my house for a welfare check !!

They put me under an act to get assessed by a psychiatrist within 24 hours. They then decided to extend it into a treatment order. I'm stuck here for at least a week.

I hate the psych ward so fucking much. It's making me feel worse. Honestly it's increasing my suicidal ideation if anything. I just wanted a somewhat peaceful way out, or at least better than the alternatives, and now I don't even have that. They seized my SN.

Thank god I'm allowed my phone. If they knew I was posting here they'd probably take it away though.

Oh, one of the mental health staff said something weird. They said SN is a super painful way to go. Honestly I think she's full of shit but regardless it's better than my plan B of partial hanging in my fucking shower with the disability handle.

Good job Australia, you're making my death be as uncomfortable as possible.

Anyway, heads up to anyone in Australia. Apparently SN has been put on alert and welfare checks will be sent out if detected. I purchased from TIG. It's not just IC or whoever it was that had their list investigated.

God my legs were shaking so fucking bad when the paramedics showed up at my door. My anxiety is so high I just want to go home. I'm tired of the mental health system and life and just everything it includes. I'm so fucking done.

It's oppression that they forced u to go to a psych ward for ordering a legal product.

Someone in NZ posted a few days ago they had a police check with regards to the same sn source .

So it's not just IC anymore. They are on to another sn source

 

[90starve]

im so sorry that the choice to CTB comfortably was ripped away from you - it disgusts me that this is how our world works now. please be careful not to let them see you posting here! thinking of you and wishing you a speedy release <3

 

[loyalskateboard]

It's oppression that they forced u to go to a psych ward for ordering a legal product.

Someone in NZ posted a few days ago they had a police check with regards to the same sn source .

I'm honestly shocked. I knew a welfare check was possible but I didn't know it would explode into this. Like what the fuck ???

im so sorry that the choice to CTB comfortably was ripped away from you - it disgusts me that this is how our world works now. please be careful not to let them see you posting here! thinking of you and wishing you a speedy release <3

Thank you. I hate it so much. I'm definitely being careful, I'll only come on here when in my room. My screen isn't facing the curtain or door so it should be fine.

 

[sdk]

This is so fucked, I was going to try getting SN sometime soon, this worries me.
What did they say when they came over? Do you think you could've refused to go along at any point?

 

[MusicGuy]

This is so fucked, I was going to try getting SN sometime soon, this worries me.
What did they say when they came over? Do you think you could've refused to go along at any point?

I don't know about Australia protocols and procedures, but usually welfare checks are done by the police, when they bring the ambulance you know you're fucked up

 

[loyalskateboard]

This is so fucked, I was going to try getting SN sometime soon, this worries me.
What did they say when they came over? Do you think you could've refused to go along at any point?

If you're Australian I'm afraid you're fucked. There is a chance customs won't find it but SN has been flagged. Nope, there wasn't a way out. They knew everything and knew it could be used for suicide. I have a mental health history and the records for pretty much everything are linked.

Edit: just realised I didn't answer what they said. My mum answered the door, she was confused as hell. They asked for me and had my name and like order and everything. My mum came and grabbed me and gave us privacy. I was shaking so bad I could barely stand. They said the border force requested a welfare check and spoke about my mental health history. They said they're putting me under some temporary act and I have to go with them. It was early afternoon, I was in the emergency department for a while. Ended up going to the psych unit at like 1:30am. I saw a psychiatrist the next morning and he said I had to stay another week and I'm under a treatment order so I can't leave. Imo there was no way out even with a story of meat curing or whatever.

I don't know about Australia protocols and procedures, but usually welfare checks are done by the police, when they bring the ambulance you know you're fucked up

Yep ^^ if the police came it might have been easier to argue it's legal etc etc. They didn't even show up, it was just the ambulance. They even told me it was legal but the border force has become aware of an uptick in suicides. They monitor it very strongly now and send welfare checks if they catch it. Sometimes they miss things, I was just unlucky.

 

[FuneralCry]

That sounds so horrible what you've been through, it's inhumane to treat suicidal people like criminals and to try and make them prisoners to this existence until they die anyway. It disgusts me how we exist in a world where we are denied a right to die in peace.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

What your country is doing to you is a crime by itself! It's so inhumane and horrible for people who just want to cease existence for their own persional reasons. This is certainly not the business of a government to decide about ones' innermost personal decisions. I really hope you can find peace!

 

[Jolene79]

I don't understand why so much resource is put into stopping anyone CTBing. So we know it's not because anyone cares. There's a huge issue, here anyway, with low Police resources. Yet, they will put resources towards this crap?

 

[SetMeFree11]

I don't live in Australia, but stories like that makes me so scared of ordering SN.
So sick of this world...

 

[LittleBlackCat]

I'm really scared now since I ordered from TIG a few days ago
What is it like where you're staying? Are you allowed to go outside at all? Outside the room? I have claustrophobia so I can't be locked inside.. I'm hoping they just bin mine at customs

 

[loyalskateboard]

That sounds so horrible what you've been through, it's inhumane to treat suicidal people like criminals and to try and make them prisoners to this existence until they die anyway. It disgusts me how we exist in a world where we are denied a right to die in peace.

Support for people struggling with mental illness? Nope, get fucked! Tough shit! If you're homeless we don't care and it's your own fault for not pulling yourself up by the bootstraps! Don't think about suicide though, we'll shove you in a ward for a bit because apparently that will solve your problems Oh and if you do ctb it has to be as painful as possible.

What your country is doing to you is a crime by itself! It's so inhumane and horrible for people who just want to cease existence for their own persional reasons. This is certainly not the business of a government to decide about ones' innermost personal decisions. I really hope you can find peace!

It's so stupid. I'm an adult I should be able to order a legal substance. If I use it for suicide, that's my own choice! The government is so strict here and because we're an island it's easy for them to control everything. And thank you

I don't understand why so much resource is put into stopping anyone CTBing. So we know it's not because anyone cares. There's a huge issue, here anyway, with low Police resources. Yet, they will put resources towards this crap?

Resources spent for preventing ctbing
Resources spent for helping citizens

Did the police help when my father abused and harassed and stalked my family for over a decade? Not really! Did they monitor a previously jailed pedophile who was on parole living near a bunch of children when he wasn't supposed to? Oh and lived with his girlfriends baby and sexually assaulted me multiple times? Nope!

But fuck me for ordering a legal substance right??????

I don't live in Australia, but stories like that makes me so scared of ordering SN.
So sick of this world...

Me too. I'm so sick and tired. Honestly this hospital stay triggered me more than if I was allowed to stay home.

I'm really scared now since I ordered from TIG a few days ago
What is it like where you're staying? Are you allowed to go outside at all? Outside the room? I have claustrophobia so I can't be locked inside.. I'm hoping they just bin mine at customs

You might be okay, I know people who have ordered and received it no issues. I might have been unlucky plus I have a long history with the mental health system.

It's okay as far as psych wards go. Yes, I can come and go from my bedroom. There is a kitchen with snacks you can grab at any time. There is a courtyard where you can spend time outside with flowers.

I'm afraid if it gets to the point of seizing it, they will most likely send a welfare check If it clears customs you should receive it like any other online purchase.

 

[suicidalloser]

Support for people struggling with mental illness? Nope, get fucked! Tough shit! If you're homeless we don't care and it's your own fault for not pulling yourself up by the bootstraps! Don't think about suicide though, we'll shove you in a ward for a bit because apparently that will solve your problems Oh and if you do ctb it has to be as painful as possible.

That is the reality's summary, indeed.
I'm sorry you're there; I hate the wards too.

 

[neveragreedtothis]

First NZ and now Australia huh

What a joke.

I think anyone who wants SN in 2023 would be better to get a plane ticket to a country that doesn't try to imprison its citizens into this hell.

And to make plans for CTB outside of these dictatorships.

 

[ToTheTwillight]

Resources spent for preventing ctbing
Resources spent for helping citizens

Did the police help when my father abused and harassed and stalked my family for over a decade? Not really! Did they monitor a previously jailed pedophile who was on parole living near a bunch of children when he wasn't supposed to? Oh and lived with his girlfriends baby and sexually assaulted me multiple times? Nope!

But fuck me for ordering a legal substance right??????

Shit that's some heavy stuff, sorry you had to go through all of this.

 

[MeltingBrain]

Fuck me. I'm so annoyed right now you have no idea. You might have seen one of my threads about my SN order being held up in customs.

Turns out the fucking border force called an ambulance to show up at my house for a welfare check !!

They put me under an act to get assessed by a psychiatrist within 24 hours. They then decided to extend it into a treatment order. I'm stuck here for at least a week.

I hate the psych ward so fucking much. It's making me feel worse. Honestly it's increasing my suicidal ideation if anything. I just wanted a somewhat peaceful way out, or at least better than the alternatives, and now I don't even have that. They seized my SN.

Oh Shit . Anyone who ordered from anywhere is ****** .
I hope you are holding up ok

 

[Pluto]

The situation has gotten so ridiculous that it's asking for someone to make a cartoon. Police officers with guns drawn: "Don't kill yourself, or we'll shoot!"

 

[AllFoxedOut]

I'm so sorry that happened to you! how traumatic...

what was the timeline between release from customs and the welfare check? plus didn't you say you ordered from a bunch of places after it was detained, how do you know it was TIG?

sorry I'm just a bit panicky now as I ordered from the same place, also had it detained and am in Australia

 

[LaVieEnRose]

at least providing you with a caring and nurturing environment, or any genuine support with your life's grievances. But obviously that is not so.

The great irony and absurdity of psych hospitals. Seems to be lost on them, or maybe it isn't but they just don't care.

 

[AllFoxedOut]

The great irony and absurdity of psych hospitals. Seems to be lost on them, or maybe it isn't but they just don't care.

they care to only protect themselves from liability.

 

[Decided98]

That's terrible I ordered from TIG late last year but I've only received police welfare check for IC, hope I don't get another welfare check this is bull!

 

[LittleBlackCat]

Support for people struggling with mental illness? Nope, get fucked! Tough shit! If you're homeless we don't care and it's your own fault for not pulling yourself up by the bootstraps! Don't think about suicide though, we'll shove you in a ward for a bit because apparently that will solve your problems Oh and if you do ctb it has to be as painful as possible.


It's so stupid. I'm an adult I should be able to order a legal substance. If I use it for suicide, that's my own choice! The government is so strict here and because we're an island it's easy for them to control everything. And thank you


Resources spent for preventing ctbing
Resources spent for helping citizens

Did the police help when my father abused and harassed and stalked my family for over a decade? Not really! Did they monitor a previously jailed pedophile who was on parole living near a bunch of children when he wasn't supposed to? Oh and lived with his girlfriends baby and sexually assaulted me multiple times? Nope!

But fuck me for ordering a legal substance right??????


Me too. I'm so sick and tired. Honestly this hospital stay triggered me more than if I was allowed to stay home.


You might be okay, I know people who have ordered and received it no issues. I might have been unlucky plus I have a long history with the mental health system.

It's okay as far as psych wards go. Yes, I can come and go from my bedroom. There is a kitchen with snacks you can grab at any time. There is a courtyard where you can spend time outside with flowers.

I'm afraid if it gets to the point of seizing it, they will most likely send a welfare check If it clears customs you should receive it like any other online purchase.

It's been held at customs for a few days now…. I hope things are going ok and you get out of there soon. So sorry this happened to you.

 

[Wowser]

Sorry, bro. It's best to act calm and don't talk to the cops too much. They're not your friends, no one is.

 

[loyalskateboard]

BEFORE I REPLY TO EVERYBODY I WANT TO SAY THAT I JUST GOT HOME!

When I was first admitted, the psychiatrist said I would be there for a week. I had an appointment yesterday but it was cancelled. Today I had a huge meeting with like 5 different people and I was able to bullshit my way out. We completed a safety and care plan, I answered all the questions correctly, I agreed to have the acute team come to my house for a week or two, and I have an appointment with my psychologist and psychiatrist very soon. Thank fucking god I'm out of that hellhole I think I was going crazy. I made sure to say the environment was making me worse and the overstimulation was too much. I wasn't even lying. Holy fuck that was terrible the constant alarms and doors shutting and screaming and someone was singing in the hallway for hours and my roommate was always on the phone talking and the lights were so fucking bright and I just felt isolated because no staff would even talk to you and there was no therapy or groups and there was a literal fight between two patients but they were in the male part of the ward so I didn't see it. The distress alarm is so bloody loud and it kept going off.

I'm home, I'm with my dog, and I'm grateful to be out of there. The freedom I felt in the car on the way home cannot be topped. I never want to go back, holy fuck.

That is the reality's summary, indeed.
I'm sorry you're there; I hate the wards too.

It's so messed up. Maybe I would appreciate the offer of help if it was... you know... actual help

First NZ and now Australia huh

What a joke.

I think anyone who wants SN in 2023 would be better to get a plane ticket to a country that doesn't try to imprison its citizens into this hell.

And to make plans for CTB outside of these dictatorships.

Right ! I genuinely considered organising a flight and passport and doing it overseas. My executive function is fucked though so I don't think it will happen. Even inert gas is too much work for me. I don't know. I'll probably have to try and work that out though I realllllly don't want to go with partial. It's just hard because I live with family and pets and I don't want to fuck up the gas somehow plus all the supplies. Ugh

Shit that's some heavy stuff, sorry you had to go through all of this.

Oh Shit . Anyone who ordered from anywhere is ****** .
I hope you are holding up ok

Honestly I'm still shaken up by the whole thing. And yep, if you're Australian any source of sn is now monitored.

The situation has gotten so ridiculous that it's asking for someone to make a cartoon. Police officers with guns drawn: "Don't kill yourself, or we'll shoot!"

BAHAHAHAAHA. You're right though, I saw a video from the USA I think. A guy was wanting to kill himself in his car and the police started shooting through the window. The mother was screaming and telling them to stop. It's ridiculous

I'm so sorry that happened to you! how traumatic...

what was the timeline between release from customs and the welfare check? plus didn't you say you ordered from a bunch of places after it was detained, how do you know it was TIG?

sorry I'm just a bit panicky now as I ordered from the same place, also had it detained and am in Australia

It was 100% tig. Basically I ordered from them first and everything was going okay until the customs clearance. It was there for over a month. The border force seized it and contacted the ambulance for a welfare check. The second source I tried did not even ship. It was definitely not the border force. They cancelled the order and refunded my money as I am not with a company. The third source has not started the shipping process yet. It was definitely not the border force. We will see what happens with that, if it causes another welfare check I'm going to laugh because the alternative is crying. Fingers crossed they just don't check it but honestly I'm probably flagged on the system somehow.

I hate to say it but if they seized your SN you will probably get a welfare check. If it clears okay you should be fine. Depending on your history you might be able to bullshit that it's for meat curing but yeah... You might be fucked.

The great irony and absurdity of psych hospitals. Seems to be lost on them, or maybe it isn't but they just don't care.

Amen. I don't know what could really improve the system but it needs to be overhauled completely.

they care to only protect themselves from liability.

Yep :/

That's terrible I ordered from TIG late last year but I've only received police welfare check for IC, hope I don't get another welfare check this is bull!

The reason I had a welfare check is because the border force found it. If you have it in your hands, you should be in the clear.

It's been held at customs for a few days now…. I hope things are going ok and you get out of there soon. So sorry this happened to you.

A few days can be normal, I wouldn't panic yet. If it's over two weeks I'd start to worry. You might get lucky, it's the fact they caught my SN. Sometimes it's just let through because the system isn't perfect.

Sorry, bro. It's best to act calm and don't talk to the cops too much. They're not your friends, no one is.

Yep It's so messed up.

 

[suicidalloser]

BEFORE I REPLY TO EVERYBODY I WANT TO SAY THAT I JUST GOT HOME!

When I was first admitted, the psychiatrist said I would be there for a week. I had an appointment yesterday but it was cancelled. Today I had a huge meeting with like 5 different people and I was able to bullshit my way out. We completed a safety and care plan, I answered all the questions correctly, I agreed to have the acute team come to my house for a week or two, and I have an appointment with my psychologist and psychiatrist very soon. Thank fucking god I'm out of that hellhole I think I was going crazy. I made sure to say the environment was making me worse and the overstimulation was too much. I wasn't even lying. Holy fuck that was terrible the constant alarms and doors shutting and screaming and someone was singing in the hallway for hours and my roommate was always on the phone talking and the lights were so fucking bright and I just felt isolated because no staff would even talk to you and there was no therapy or groups and there was a literal fight between two patients but they were in the male part of the ward so I didn't see it. The distress alarm is so bloody loud and it kept going off.

I'm home, I'm with my dog, and I'm grateful to be out of there. The freedom I felt in the car on the way home cannot be topped. I never want to go back, holy fuck.

This is the reality of the wards. That reality they veil behind a faux visage.
Glad you're out and with your dog.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I saw a video from the USA I think. A guy was wanting to kill himself in his car and the police started shooting through the window. The mother was screaming and telling them to stop. It's ridiculous

I saw that video, too. That was so effed up. That's life here in the good 'ole USA. We're up to somethin' like 360 mass killings already this year. Not sure how many ppl have been gunned down by LE so far. Ya know, we're the moral superior fucks of the world, right?

 

[loyalskateboard]

I saw that video, too. That was so effed up. That's life here in the good 'ole USA. We're up to somethin' like 360 mass killings already this year. Not sure how many ppl have been gunned down by LE so far. Ya know, we're the moral superior fucks of the world, right?

As an Australian the gun violence over there shocks me. I have never seen a gun in real life with two exceptions: on police officers and in the USA while on vacation. Hell, the police here rarely even use the gun. They use a taser 99% of the time. While on vacation we were super close to like two shootings (not mass shootings) and it freaked my family out. There was a shooting here when 6 people died I believe and it was all over the news and extremely shocking. Gun violence is exceptionally rare and it's super hard to get a gun. It's technically possible if you get a ton of permits and have a reason but your average person will never touch one. The fact people can open carry over there freaks me the hell out. I don't think it's everywhere but goddamn... The lax attitude to guns is crazy. I have two online friends and one keeps a gun for self defence and the other has a family who collects them. They have both used them before. We have very different cultures. I can't say the lack of freedom here is great but I love the fact I never have to worry about guns. I can't even imagine what it's like for you guys. Sending your kids to school with warnings about shootings and drills and the risk there will be a school shooting, never mind that it could also happen anywhere in public...