Help SN over 100kg

[cinnamonsticks]

Hey everyone, I have two questions on SN, I'd appreciate it a lot if someone could help me.

1. On the guide it says that if you're over 100kg you should take 35g, but on the same guide there's a table with g/kg, I should take between 26-28g, I want to avoid especially nasuea and vomiting at all costs, so any advice on how much I should take?
2. This is a rather silly one but I read somewhere that you should use plastic cups and avoid metal to stir, but I only got glass, ceramic and paper cups, would using any of that be a problem?

I think I just want to make sure everything is right. Thank you!!

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I don't think 28g vs 35g prevent nausea that much. 35g is a general advice in the protocols as I understand it.

Glas cups are fine, just don't use metal spoons/cups.

 

[cinnamonsticks]

I don't think 28g vs 35g prevent nausea that much. 35g is a general advice in the protocols as I understand it.

Glas cups are fine, just don't use metal spoons/cups.

Thaanks! I think I'll go for 35g then and use glass. Thank you!!

 

[Zardoz]

Glas cups are fine, just don't use metal spoons/cups.

Why not?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Why not?

SN is an oxidant and it oxidizes metals! That "destroys" the SN.

 

[Zardoz]

SN is an oxidant and it oxidizes metals! That "destroys" the SN.

Please post any inforation that states this.
Sodium Azide reacts with metal to form explosive compounds and should be kept out of contact with metal, but sodium nitrite is a totally different chemical.
I think this is one of the nonsense incorrect myths that has crept in to the discussions about SN and blindly repeated so often its taken as fact.
Using metal utensils with SN is fine as far as I know.
Please post facts/evidence. Happy to be proved wrong, I'd like to know for sure myself too.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Please post any inforation that states this.
Sodium Azide reacts with metal to form explosive compounds and should be kept out of contact with metal, but sodium nitrite is a totally different chemical.
I think this is one of the nonsense incorrect myths that has crept in to the discussions about SN and blindly repeated so often its taken as fact.
Using metal utensils with SN is fine as far as I know.
Please post facts/evidence. Happy to be proved wrong, I'd like to know for sure myself too.

For example:

The reaction between aluminium metal and aqueous solutions of the nitrite ion

The reaction between aluminium metal and a 0.1 wt % solution of sodium nitrite at room temperature is described. Initially the reaction is slow, but after

www.publish.csiro.au

 

[Zardoz]

For example:

The reaction between aluminium metal and aqueous solutions of the nitrite ion

The reaction between aluminium metal and a 0.1 wt % solution of sodium nitrite at room temperature is described. Initially the reaction is slow, but after

www.publish.csiro.au

Aluminium yes, but stanless steel should be fine for stirring SN into water.
Sure, there's no harm in being super cautious and using only plastic apoons and glass, but I don't think using a regular stainless steel spoon is going to "destroy" the SN within any meaningful timeframe.
Each to their own.

 

[Zardoz]

I think the metal thing is for SA Not SN Or KN.

Exactly.

 

[Forveleth]

... but I don't think using a regular stainless steel spoon is going to "destroy" the SN within any meaningful timeframe.
Each to their own.

This is assuming people have good stainless steel utensils. Some things that are sold as "stainless" is just cheap garbage. I always advise people to use plastic/glass because I do nor know the quality of their cutlery.

 

[Zardoz]

This is assuming people have good stainless steel utensils. Some things that are sold as "stainless" is just cheap garbage. I always advise people to use plastic/glass because I do nor know the quality of their cutlery.

Even "garbage" utensils will be fine.

The advice about not coming into contact with metals is for sodium azide (SA), not nitrite (SN).

SA is also discussed as a suicide agent alongside SN in the PPH, where it correctly mentions never to let SA come into contact with metal (including not stirring with metals utensils and not disposing of it into metal sinks/drains/pipes), as it causes a dangerous chemical reaction. This is standard industry advice (based on internet queries) for SA.

There is no such advice for SN from the internet or industry that manufactures and sells it (again based on internet queries).

The only advice about not letting SN come into contact with metal that I can see is the persistent misinformation about it on this site.
I believe this has come from the advice in the PPH about sodium azide, not nitrite, that has been confused with nitrite somewhere along the line (since they are both discussed in the same section), possibly by multiple people / multiple times, and is now repeated so often on here that it is taken as fact. I think it is simply not true.

If this is wrong then please post a link to any reputable looking information online that states you should not use metal utensils when handling SN.

Just my take on it.

 

[Eriktf]