Help SN or Partial

[GreenDagny]

I cannot decide which would be the least painful and most effective.

Does anyone has any insight into pain and/or effectiveness of either firsthand? Such as on a rating scale of pain and efficacy.

It makes me so angry it is not easier to end a horrible life than with a horrible death.

 

[trynacbt]

Personally I'm partial to SN



*badum ts*

 

[Astral316]

I observe more people on this forum successfully c'ing the b using SN. With partial, members typically report not being able to compress the carotids and pass out... at least not without a lot of pain.

 

[Darkhaven]

There are unlimited ways partial can go on.
Depending on your technique it can go fast and smoothly or it can turn into a mess, possibly leaving you with brain damage for the rest of your life.
The shape and constitution of your neck and veins also influence it's effectiveness.
When it comes to SN, it's a totally different method. It's poisoning after all. There is no influence of technique or skill. You just take it and it's up to your bodie's way of dealing with the sodium to determine your sucess.
With partial your outcome and peacefullness will depend mainly in you and what you do, with SN you just take it, thrown in the meto and acid reducers and the rest is in the hands of fate.
I will take SN, easier, and less scary for me.
But to each it's own.

 

[GreenDagny]

Good points, thank you. Yes it makes sense that any discomfort from SN would be worth the effectiveness in the end.

 

[Science Is Scary]

Effectiveness

In terms of effectiveness, the studies suggest that hanging is more lethal than not. The lethality of hanging (or hanging plus other methods) was:

• 90.4% (but it mixes in strangulation and suffocation) - https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/2/120
• 89.5% (average of pathologist estimates) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8553417
• 83% (but it mixes in strangulation and suffocation) - https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/14/1/39
• 77.53% - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.2190/K59M-Y0KN-PAKV-JFUV
• 61.4% (but it mixes in suffocation) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1446422/

However those numbers deal with hanging in general rather than just partial suspension. And they sometimes mix in other methods.

I don't have any studies on Sodium Nitrite effectiveness (lethality), apart from one less than satisfying study in wild pigs. The vast majority of the pigs died.

Peacefulness

I don't have any good data on peacefulness.

The Peaceful Pill Handbook (March 24, 2019) gives Sodium Nitrite a 7/10 on peacefulness. I don't believe it scores partial suspension at all.

 

[sleepy dog]

In terms of effectiveness, the studies suggest that hanging is more lethal than not:

• 90.4% (but it mixes in strangulation and suffocation) - https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/2/120
• 89.5% (average of pathologist estimates) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8553417
• 83% - https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/14/1/39
• 77.53% - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.2190/K59M-Y0KN-PAKV-JFUV
• 61.4% (but it mixes in suffocation) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1446422/

Why did you assign percentages to each of these links? There were no statistics about hanging in most of the links. What are your numbers referring to?

 

[Science Is Scary]

Why did you assign percentages to each of these links? There were no statistics about hanging in most of the links. What are your numbers referring to?

You may have to get the full papers. I didn't want to link directly to the pirated copies. Sci-hub may have all of them.
PM me if you have trouble finding them.

The percentages refer to the lethality of the method on the studied population. By lethality, I mean the number of people who died divided by the total number of people studied. I've edited my previous post to be a little clearer.

Relevant sections from the papers:

• https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/2/120 - Table 1 gives the "% fatal" of each method. The footnote for % fatal says "Percentage of completed suicides from each suicide method (for example, 7% of episodes involving poisons were lethal)." Suffocation has a % fatal of 90.4%. The footnote mentions suffocation includes hanging as well as strangulation and suffocation.
• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8553417 - Table 1 describes the estimates of lethality provided by pathologists. The mean (average) estimate from pathologists for hanging was 89.50%. I think it's just estimates from experts, so it's not great.
• https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/14/1/39 - The abstract is a bit imprecise here. The abstract gives an 83% lethality for hanging. However, the body of the paper makes clear that 83% includes "hanging, strangulation and suffocation". I should have put a note that the lethality also includes strangulation and suffocation. I edited the note into my previous post.
• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.2190/K59M-Y0KN-PAKV-JFUV - Table 2 is titled "Three Measures of Lethality in Suicidal Methods". The "Percent incidents ending in death" for hanging was 77.53%.
• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1446422/ - Table 2 gives the "Case Fatality Rate" for suffocation/hanging as 61.4%.

Thanks for the feedback. Sorry it was confusing.

 

[Heart of Ice]

I've been torn between SN and a tourniquet.

A tourniquet would be faster and more reliable whereas SN is probably "nicer" in a way. Nitschke has described SN poisoning feeling like intoxication. And I guess some people don't simply want to hang themselves or choke themselves out, and instead opt for something more "dignified".

 

[GreenDagny]

I feel like the people who have taken SN on here have had that tachycardia symptom, I am guessing from the heart trying to pump the thickened blood and it not working. I wish peaceful methods were not so difficult to obtain, it is so cruel that us who suffer horribly have to stay alive, why do random people want suffering people to stay alive, how is it their business? Anyway that is the end of my rant about that, it just hurts so much.

 

[BPD_LE]

Now I don't know if this is because I'm female or vain as fuck. But I'm starting to sway away from hanging to SN. And yes, one reason is the way my corpse will look. It's absolutely ridiculous. I've spent my whole life judging my internal worth through my outward appearance. Even in death, it's on my mind. Sad really. But a bit of me also wants to hang and bloat as a last 'fuck you society' 'am I pretty enough now?'

 

[Stan]

I'm doing SN to put some colour in my cheeks (Stan calls taxi and exits thread)

 

[ots]

Now I don't know if this is because I'm female or vain as fuck. But I'm starting to sway away from hanging to SN. And yes, one reason is the way my corpse will look. It's absolutely ridiculous. I've spent my whole life judging my internal worth through my outward appearance. Even in death, it's on my mind. Sad really. But a bit of me also wants to hang and bloat as a last 'fuck you society' 'am I pretty enough now?'

SN will turn you blue. Hanging will bruise your neck and blood will pool in your extremeties making them darker correct? I think it's much a muchness.

 

[Rachel74]

Let's hope N just makes me beautiful

 

[BPD_LE]

SN will turn you blue. Hanging will bruise your neck and blood will pool in your extremeties making them darker correct? I think it's much a muchness.

I don't care about being blue. They can cover it up with makeup. A bit of concealer won't fix a swollen head!