SN or N?

[TooLateNow]

Which is better SN or N??

 

[lukas19]

Which is better SN or N??

N is not possible for the forseeable future

 

[LaVieEnRose]

People have only used SN because N was difficult to source.

 

[MidnightDream]

SN: Purchasable
N: Not purchasable
Pretty easy to determine which is currently better

 

[bestroper]

N is much better but you can't get it

 

[Ozi]

N would be the obvious choice, but it's not possible to purchase N, whereas SN is purchasable

 

[FuneralCry]

N sounds like the best suicide method to me and I would choose N over everything else. But N is unfortunately not even legal and there are only scams going around, so it cannot actually be ordered online. I hate how things are this way as a peaceful suicide would be the best thing possible but it's sadly the reality.

 

[SilentSadness]

N would really be the best way to ctb, sadly some people just really hate the idea of others dying peacefully.

 

[Sledge]

N would be the obvious choice, but it's not possible to purchase N, whereas SN is purchasable

what do you mean by not purchasable? a few years ago i was in a community where several people were able to source and purchase it. are you saying that's not possible anymore? or are you just saying you've found it particularly difficult to find and haven't been able to find a vendor through this site?

 

[DerOesi]

I would love to have N. But SN also seems fine if thing get too rough

 

[Reverie123]

Why is N not a viable option anymore? I was thinking of taking a trip to TJ to source it. Is there a global shortage or something?

 

[Sparx]

what do you mean by not purchasable? a few years ago i was in a community where several people were able to source and purchase it. are you saying that's not possible anymore? or are you just saying you've found it particularly difficult to find and haven't been able to find a vendor through this site?

As you've noted that was a few years ago, since last year there's been a global shortage of N.

Is there a global shortage or something?

Yes.

 

[color_me_gone]

what do you mean by not purchasable? a few years ago i was in a community where several people were able to source and purchase it. are you saying that's not possible anymore? or are you just saying you've found it particularly difficult to find and haven't been able to find a vendor through this site?

Why is N not a viable option anymore? I was thinking of taking a trip to TJ to source it. Is there a global shortage or something?

Yes, it WAS available 2018 - 2021. It wasn't easy, and it was expensive.
There was only one source, and sometimes he wasn't available.
Sometime your shipment got confiscated by customs, then you lost your $$$.
Either LE got the single source, or the heat got turned up so high, that he decided to get out of the business.

I don't know whether there are any vets in TJ willing to risk selling it anymore.

So no, there is no global shortage, only LE turned up the heat.

 

[Sledge]

As you've noted that was a few years ago, since last year there's been a global shortage of N.

Yes.

what makes you say this? do you have a source or any information that you can give that would mean I wouldn't just have to take 'Sparx's' word off some forum. I mean that with no disrespect. I just wonder how you would have that information.

And is there any chance of there not being a global shortage soon?

Yes, it WAS available 2018 - 2021. It wasn't easy, and it was expensive.
There was only one source, and sometimes he wasn't available.
Sometime your shipment got confiscated by customs, then you lost your $$$.
Either LE got the single source, or the heat got turned up so high, that he decided to get out of the business.

I don't know whether there are any vets in TJ willing to risk selling it anymore.

So no, there is no global shortage, only LE turned up the heat.

This was actually back in like 2012-2014. the source wasn't from this community.

When you say there was only one source... you mean that you know of within this community, right? I mean... you really think there aren't other suppliers selling stuff but just in more lowkey communities? like this site is super popular and anybody who is being mentioned on it is going to attract a lot of attention. It's in the suppliers' best interest to not attract the kind of attention this website brings so it seems like a big assumption to think there aren't other suppliers around? they'd just be harder to find. or would you disagree with that still?

what does LE and TJ stand for?

 

[Sparx]

what makes you say this? do you have a source or any information that you can give that would mean I wouldn't just have to take 'Sparx's' word off some forum. I mean that with no disrespect. I just wonder how you would have that information.

You don't have to take my word for it but try getting your hands on it.

 

[Kuren Aiya]

N would be perfect from what I've researched, if it was readily available. I do hope it is again, someday.

 

[Sledge]

You don't have to take my word for it but try getting your hands on it.

i see. could very well be due to a global shortage but i also wonder if that's just because it's difficult to find someone who is advertising selling it in such a high profile way that their information would appear on this website. seems like there was only one guy willing to do that for like 2 years. if we were to infer that he was the only seller there was because he was the only one on this website then we could also potentially conclude there's a global shortage. one seller to zero doesn't exactly indicate a global shortage is my point. even if there was the occasional person who said they got it from a different source other than 'D'. that still happens now. at least from what i've read.

 

[color_me_gone]

When you say there was only one source... you mean that you know of within this community, right?

Yes, one source within this community, as recommended by the PPHe handbook. The handbook referred to him as "A".

It's in the suppliers' best interest to not attract the kind of attention this website brings so it seems like a big assumption to think there aren't other suppliers around? they'd just be harder to find. or would you disagree with that still?

There are plenty of people out there trying to sell N.
Problem is, 99.9% of them are scammers.
It is less risky for them to steal your money, than it is to sell you N.
So you're going to lose a lot of money before you find one that is actually legit.

what does LE and TJ stand for?

LE = Law Enforcement
TJ = Tijuana Mexico

could very well be due to a global shortage

I Googled: "global shortage of nembutal", and found several websites which indicated that there IS, in fact, a global shortage. I would provide a link, but it is now against the forum rules to provide links.

The following was copy/paste from the AAHA (American Animal Hospital Association) website:

The pentobarbital shortage you might not have known about​

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...word of the shortage never really got out—in part by design. She said no formal announcements were made in an effort to prevent possible hoarding: "We needed to make sure everybody had equal access to the drugs across vet med and shelter industries."​

​

Most people who know about the shortage found out through social media—or when they tried to order some and couldn't.​

​

"A shortage of [the chemical] pentobarbital itself is the problem because it means pharmaceutical companies can't make the pentobarbital solution," Cooney said. And that's a big problem, because pentobarbital solution "is the number-one drug that we use here in the United States for companion-animal euthanasia."​

​

Blair Harding, LLB, LLM, vice president of Vortech Pharmaceuticals, makers of the veterinary euthanasia drug Fatal-Plus, which contains pentobarbital, confirmed that Vortech's pentobarbital supplier ran into production delays at the end of 2020—delays possibly related to the COVID pandemic—which led to an industry-wide shortage of euthanasia drugs containing pentobarbital this past winter.​

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Harding says pentobarbital shortages do occasionally happen, but not often: "I think two or three times in the past 20 years."​

 

[Sledge]

Yes, one source within this community, as recommended by the PPHe handbook. The handbook referred to him as "A".

There are plenty of people out there trying to sell N.
Problem is, 99.9% of them are scammers.
It is less risky for them to steal your money, than it is to sell you N.
So you're going to lose a lot of money before you find one that is actually legit.

LE = Law Enforcement
TJ = Tijuana Mexico

I Googled: "global shortage of nembutal", and found several websites which indicated that there IS, in fact, a global shortage. I would provide a link, but it is now against the forum rules to provide links.

The following was copy/paste from the AAHA (American Animal Hospital Association) website:

​

The pentobarbital shortage you might not have known about​

​

...word of the shortage never really got out—in part by design. She said no formal announcements were made in an effort to prevent possible hoarding: "We needed to make sure everybody had equal access to the drugs across vet med and shelter industries."​

​

Most people who know about the shortage found out through social media—or when they tried to order some and couldn't.​

​

"A shortage of [the chemical] pentobarbital itself is the problem because it means pharmaceutical companies can't make the pentobarbital solution," Cooney said. And that's a big problem, because pentobarbital solution "is the number-one drug that we use here in the United States for companion-animal euthanasia."​

​

Blair Harding, LLB, LLM, vice president of Vortech Pharmaceuticals, makers of the veterinary euthanasia drug Fatal-Plus, which contains pentobarbital, confirmed that Vortech's pentobarbital supplier ran into production delays at the end of 2020—delays possibly related to the COVID pandemic—which led to an industry-wide shortage of euthanasia drugs containing pentobarbital this past winter.​

​

Harding says pentobarbital shortages do occasionally happen, but not often: "I think two or three times in the past 20 years."​

well that's bad news. how long do you think we could be waiting? a year? 5? really frustrating for me cause i'm ready to go. i'd much rather not have to go through a painful experience though.

The other good bet is to join other suicidal communities and maybe some of them will know a legit N seller. if you get to know them all over time and a few of them have bought from the seller it's a good way to verify the legitimacy of the seller.

 

[color_me_gone]

The other good bet is to join other suicidal communities and maybe some of them will know a legit N seller. if you get to know them all over time and a few of them have bought from the seller it's a good way to verify the legitimacy of the seller.

This is why it is so hard to get N.
And yeah, it's about the only way you can know a seller is legit.
I wish you peace, and hope you can get what you want.