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pthnrdnojvsc

pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
3,613
This is an inherent ethical dilemma that I fear cannot be avoided

We discuss That Method because we want to give people the ability to make informed decisions about their own bodies, and to help them avoid the unnecessary suffering of more painful methods. However, every time we discuss it, we make it a bit more visible, thus increasing the likelihood of That Method becoming inaccessible, which in turn increases the likelihood of people resorting to methods that cause unnecessary suffering.

Yet, if we keep That Method a secret so as to avoid publicizing it, we're withholding information that could help people avoid unnecessary suffering.

It's no wonder why people like us don't like living in this world, when even such a well-intentioned effort comes with such troubling ethical conflicts. This is an unfair place.
We don't have nembutal online now gone forever .

for at least 20 years the peaceful pill handbook had ultra reliable nembutal sources. The last one N from D lasted maybe 10 years till early 2022. If u searched long enough on the internet u could find the email to N from D for example. We didn't need many posts here about N from d every day

One by one N from d ,
And every sn source as soon as they became mainstream on this site was taken away forever

If u don't have reliable means like Nembutal or sn it doesn't matter what u say or discuss or think is ethical or not . Having the means is a quintilion times more important than anything else. Just think if u could email D from N from d . Send payment and receive 3 bottles nembutal delivered to ur door in a few days... this u could do until April 2022. After that they arrested N from D too many people were going to the same well or gold mine at the same time

There is no need to post several ops and hundreds of posts per day about a nembutal or sn source : they will catch on we are on the internet every one in the world can see what u post. All that's doing is allowing them to eliminate a source forever for urself in the future and millions of people who will be suffering extremely and can't have a painless reliable way out but instead have to suffer or risk a brutal method
 
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The Morningstar

The Morningstar

Be absolute. Be yourself, until you bleed.
May 4, 2025
529
How will I survive the winter without being able to cure my meats?!
@leloyon, do you have any tips?
 
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leloyon

leloyon

I'll see you in the Wired.
Feb 4, 2023
1,533
How will I survive the winter without being able to cure my meats?!
@leloyon, do you have any tips?
*reads thread*
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GOD DAMN IT ALL. GOD DAMN IT ALL TO HELL.
 
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amerie

amerie

yes! (PFP IS LARA RAJ FROM KATSEYE)
Oct 6, 2024
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There is no escape😹
Damn Little Johnny had to mess things up for the adults, due to his teenage angst or his parents wanting to blame anyone else but themselves for his death.
I hate to say it, but I think us suicidal people do have civic responsibility. I mean everything we do is selfish, and you technically don't really owe anyone anything. But, idk, when you're a minor of course you're going to be a depressed loser but there's a 50-60% chance that you'll get over it and move on with life. Not to mention your death will stigmatize not only this website but other mentally ill people as "childish" and will ruin any productive online space to talk about this topic.
 
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leloyon

leloyon

I'll see you in the Wired.
Feb 4, 2023
1,533
There is no escape
There is no escape from this worse gangster police state, using all the deadly gangster Frankenstein controls.
 
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Lemony bisquit

New Member
Jul 23, 2025
1
So those of us who have spouses that are suffering have no way to ease their transition other than making them leave this world in a painful and unpleasant way?? What a "Freaking" Catch 22 for those in pain from age related diseases.
 
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Homeward_Bound

Homeward_Bound

Member
Jul 26, 2025
7
Why do people insist on making it as hard as possible for people to CTB in peace? Why is there always a hurdle to jump over? It's okay to protect the youth but why not let grown adults have it?
Combination of Judeo-Christian values (suicide is a "sin") and wanting to keep artificial growth going at all costs. Without your soul crushing job and your mountains of debt, there's no way to create "shareholder value".
 
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brokenspirited

brokenspirited

Great Mage
May 20, 2025
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It's just so deeply cruel how desperate are pro-lifers to keep us in shackles, to bind us to a wretched and miserable existence. What is their motive? In what way do they gain from forcing us to endure lives of misery and torment?

This is not just misplaced concern; it is calculated cruelty. If they were truly compassionate, they would have let us go already.
 
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Archness

Archness

Defective Personel
Jan 20, 2023
554
This is just stupid. Legislative virtue signaling. It's easy (Individuals don't usually need SN, and it's a specialist chemical, so relatively easy to regulate), moral (We're stopping suicides), and most of all it's probably ineffective. SN's only getting banned so politicians can say they passed the "Youth Poisoning Protection Act" and stopped suicides.

Getting real, SN is already difficult as you'd have to know a source. Considering most suicidal people who'd actually CTB probably aren't even SaSu users and just suffer and die alone, not even 1/10 suicides would be due to SN, or even 5%, meanwhile suicide by gun is 47-70% to put in perspective. Then... People considering SN would realistically move onto other methods or just hold onto what they already have.

It'd literally do nothing at all. Just prevent one of the more peaceful methods that's hardly a noticeable portion of suicides anyways.

Congrats, another anti-suicide law that isn't gonna do anything. If only there was another way to stop suicide.... like life not being so awful and hopeless in the first place. If only...
 
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hellispink

hellispink

poisonous
May 26, 2022
1,231
This is horrifying and makes me anguish terribly. This world is a jail with chains, something that must be escaped. This hell needs to have an exit we just have to find it and get the f out and never come back. F the billionaires and politicians who need slaves alive so they can continue working 12 hours a day so they can have more millions month per month. F this place this is hell. Hell is literally here and nobody sees it as us
 
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Aiyuxiao

Aiyuxiao

Arcanist
Mar 28, 2025
428
An animal can be euthanised at any age, yet a person has to suffer! Even if euthanasia / assisted suicide is possible for a person (and it isnt for many), they have to meet very specific criteria and its not a quick and easy process!

An animal has more rights than a person! A grown adult should be able to choose if they want to be in peace. It shouldn't be someone else's choice!

It's just wrong. So much about this life is just wrong!
I think it is cruel. Not a lot of people can afford euthanasia even :( It's so expensive! SN is more affordable than that. It sucks because there are people on this site who are here due to chronic pain, chronic illnesses, etc. and are left to just suffer.
 
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Ammonite5

Ammonite5

Member
Jul 20, 2025
18
Does anyone know what kind of timeline this would be on? Also even if it passes if there is demand im sure someone someplace would still sell it (Like DMC did)
 
Cauliflour

Cauliflour

The masochist who doodles.
Mar 24, 2025
402
Eh I know a lot of people here are going to be mad at this law but honestly, I'm not devastated by this news. America's food regulations are already pretty crap and SN could be used to kill someone because well, it's a poison, so I can see how this could benefit. It does however, border on freedom which makes me have mixed feelings, but I personally don't think SN is a good way to kill yourself at all and that other options should be considered instead but considering my post a couple months ago asking why SN is so popular here got deleted for no reason, I think it's a bit of a touchy subject. Must be hard to protest against though as if you publicly go against banning of a poison then people would think you're insane.

I don't get why people still bother with Sodium Nitrate when Carbon Monoxide would be much better.

This is just stupid. Legislative virtue signaling. It's easy (Individuals don't usually need SN, and it's a specialist chemical, so relatively easy to regulate), moral (We're stopping suicides), and most of all it's probably ineffective. SN's only getting banned so politicians can say they passed the "Youth Poisoning Protection Act" and stopped suicides.

Getting real, SN is already difficult as you'd have to know a source. Considering most suicidal people who'd actually CTB probably aren't even SaSu users and just suffer and die alone, not even 1/10 suicides would be due to SN, or even 5%, meanwhile suicide by gun is 47-70% to put in perspective. Then... People considering SN would realistically move onto other methods or just hold onto what they already have.

It'd literally do nothing at all. Just prevent one of the more peaceful methods that's hardly a noticeable portion of suicides anyways.

Congrats, another anti-suicide law that isn't gonna do anything. If only there was another way to stop suicide.... like life not being so awful and hopeless in the first place. If only...
Good point this though. I can't keep my biases out of the way though...
 
quietwoods

quietwoods

Easypeazylemonsqueezy
May 21, 2025
401
View attachment 173863I know a lot of people here are going to be mad at this law but honestly, I'm not devastated by this news. America's food regulations are already pretty crap and SN could be used to kill someone because well, it's a poison, so I can see how this could benefit. It does however, border on freedom which makes me have mixed feelings, but I personally don't think SN is a good way to kill yourself at all and that other options should be considered instead but considering my post a couple months ago asking why SN is so popular here got deleted for no reason, I think it's a bit of a touchy subject. Must be hard to protest against though as if you publicly go against banning of a poison then people would think you're insane.

I don't get why people still bother with Sodium Nitrate when Carbon Monoxide would be much better.

Good point this though. I can't keep my biases out of the way though...
Charcoal can be used to make carbon monoxide which is a poison so let's ban that.

While we're at it I can run someone down with my car or stab someone to death with scissors so let's ban those as well.

/s

Everything is a poison in high enough amounts. Banning it isn't going to stop people from committing suicide. The overwhelming majority of suicides are still shootings and hangings.

All this is accomplishing is forcing people towards more unpleasant methods.
 
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Carrot

Carrot

Mage
Feb 25, 2025
504
I'm sure banning SN would prevent more suicides, just like banning N would. Making it more unpleasant does "help".

That said, nobody is interested in addressing the causes.
 
quietwoods

quietwoods

Easypeazylemonsqueezy
May 21, 2025
401
I'm sure banning SN would prevent more suicides, just like banning N would. Making it more unpleasant does "help".

That said, nobody is interested in addressing the causes.
Suicide rate per capita in most western countries has been increasing year by year despite N becoming pretty much unavailable.

Hard to really say, but I doubt banning anything is going to really budge that number considering how much is already all but banned
 
Droso

Droso

Born, survive, reproduce, die.
Dec 23, 2024
256
And in a funny, ironic way, this just further fuels my desire to kms.
 
Carrot

Carrot

Mage
Feb 25, 2025
504
Of course, it can keep getting higher, but it would definitely be significantly higher if N was available.
 
quietwoods

quietwoods

Easypeazylemonsqueezy
May 21, 2025
401
Of course, it can keep getting higher, but it would definitely be significantly higher if N was available.
Eh gonna have to agree to disagree on that. The people who succeed are the ones that truly want to die. They're going to die no matter what, with whatever methods they have available. If they fail, they are going to try again with another method.

Even when N was available it wasn't something you could readily acquire with minimum effort.

Even now SN is not something you can readily acquire with minimum effort.

Successful impulsive suicides are a very small minority. They're typically poorly planned with a wide assortment of methods, ranging from ineffective to effective.

Availability of suicide methods is only going to somewhat affect this group, which itself only a small subgroup of successes.
 
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