Discussion SN drink + SN in enteric capsules - my protocol. Thoughts?

[hedezev4]

So, I have 70 hours left - I just wanted to share my unusual SN protocol that I came up with.
If you have any thoughts, feel free to share - it would be interesting to discuss.

July 1
07:00 – Meto 10mg
15:00 – Meto 10mg
23:00 – Meto 10mg

July 2
07:00 – Meto 10mg
15:00 – Meto 10mg, Propranolol 40mg, Melatonin 3mg - go to sleep
23:00 – Wake up

23:30 – Ibuprofen 800mg and Meto 30mg

July 3
00:10 – Enteric capsules with 20g of nitrite + 100ml of water
00:40 – Propranolol 400mg in tablets
00:50 – Drink with 25g nitrite and 400mg propranolol crushed tablets in 50ml of water

Meto is taken 40 minutes before the capsules to speed up gastric emptying into the intestines.
The idea is that the enteric capsules reach the intestines, so I can't vomit them up - they'll definitely do their job, and the 100ml of water is to help move them through faster.
(I checked and I can swallow the capsules without water at all.)

Propranolol is taken 10 minutes before the SN drink - it might help a bit, though it will probably be vomited after the SN drink.
But if I take it earlier, it might work too strongly.

This isn't a goodbye post - I'll make that later :)

 

[jjanssen]

Good luck and god speed.

My first post here since registering (long time lurker).

I hope to make the same step as you soon.

 

[ThatRussianDude]

So how many capsules does it get? Around 60?

 

[hedezev4]

So how many capsules does it get? Around 60?

No, these are size 0 capsules. I tested with sugar (which has a similar density), and it came out to 0.8g per capsule. That would be 25 capsules.
In reality, about 10 capsules would be enough to get a very high dose — around 7–8g.

 

[hedezev4]

By the way, I found out something important - capsules have a lock.
If you connect the two halves and press them together, it becomes very difficult to separate them afterward.
Good thing I learned that before trying.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Do these work ? Have u tested delayed release on some other medicine not SN?

I think it will work if the capsules do actually dissolve only in the intestine not in the stomach.

Can u give a link to the capsules?

 

[cowboypants]

I am interested to see if this capsule method will work, I don't remember any older posts. Anyway, keep us updated.

 

[Esc9434]

Why the enteric-coated capsules?

You already have the anti-emetic and planning to drink the SN afterwards?

You are doing too much.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I don't vote bc I simply don't know.

I wish you all the best and good luck. I hope you find peace.

I tested with sugar (which has a similar density), and it came out to 0.8g per capsule.

Sugar certainly doesn't have a similar density as SN. Table salt (NaCl) has almost the exact same density as SN!

 

[hedezev4]

Do these work ? Have u tested delayed release on some other medicine not SN?

I think it will work if the capsules do actually dissolve only in the intestine not in the stomach.

Can u give a link to the capsules?

I was thinking of doing a test with sugar, but the absorption rate of sugar is slightly slower than nitrite (according to Chatgpt), about 10–30% slower.
I definitely need to do at least 8 hours of fasting + 30mg of meto, 40 minutes wait, and 20g of sugar in capsules.
I'll probably do it that way on the first day of the meto course.
I have a glucose meter, so I'll try to measure the sugar like that.
I'll measure before taking the capsules for comparison, then test every 3-5 minutes.

If you don't live in a country that starts with the letter R, they won't deliver to you.

 

[Carrot]

I don't know. If you deviate from the protocol you should know why. I have a few ideas of my own and know stuff that would make me unconcious (dexteometorphan), but it doesn't mean I should combine it with SN, it could make it worse (more painful or less reliablr) for some reasons unknown to me.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I have a glucose meter, so I'll try to measure the sugar like that.

In this case you should ingest glucose and not regular sugar bc glucose is absorbed much faster than regular sugar that. There are many different kinds of "sugars"!

Still, it's not the same as SN!

 

[hedezev4]

Why the enteric-coated capsules?

You already have the anti-emetic and planning to drink the SN afterwards?

You are doing too much.

The capsules need to reach the intestines so I can't throw them up.

That's the point - to be as close to 99.9% as possible.
I'll also have two backup ctb methods in case anything goes wrong.
I don't want to play Russian roulette (with 5 out of 6 bullets), I want to do it right and succeed.

Sugar certainly doesn't have a similar density as SN. Table salt (NaCl) has almost the exact same density as SN!

You're right, I would definitely check that before taking it.
But that only means I'll have to take fewer capsules.

In this case you should ingest glucose and not regular sugar bc glucose is absorbed much faster than regular sugar that. There are many different kinds of "sugars"!

Still, it's not the same as SN!

Yes, you're right, I'll try to find glucose.

I don't know. If you deviate from the protocol you should know why. I have a few ideas of my own and know stuff that would make me unconcious (dexteometorphan), but it doesn't mean I should combine it with SN, it could make it worse (more painful or less reliablr) for some reasons unknown to me.

The point is to avoid messing up the protocol, since I won't be able to throw up if the capsules are in the intestines.

 

[Forveleth]

Even though you're taking a bunch of meto, if you take the capsules only 40 minutes before you take SN, the capsules are still gonna be in your stomach, and if you vomit, you're just gonna throw up the capsules. It takes hours for things to reach your intestines, so if the idea is to take the capsules and have them kill you, then you need to take them hours before you drink SN. With your current plan, what will most likely happen is you will die from SN in 40 minutes and the capsules will still be sitting in your stomach undigested.

 

[hedezev4]

Even though you're taking a bunch of meadow, if you take the capsules only 40 minutes before you take SN, the capsules are still gonna be in your stomach, and if you vomit, you're just gonna throw up the capsules. It takes hours for things to reach your intestines, so if the idea is to take the capsules and have them kill you, then you need to take them hours before you drink SN. With your current plan, what will most likely happen is you will die from SN and 40 minutes and the capsules will still be sitting in your stomach undigested.

Are you sure about that? That the capsules, taken on an empty stomach along with a course of Meto (which speeds up the process), will take that long to be absorbed?
Honestly, I think I'll be able to feel when they're no longer in my stomach.
If I feel emptiness there, I can take drink SN earlier, if I still feel them inside, I can take it later. Actually, I've already ordered glucose and will run a test with it, Meto, and fasting on July 1–2. That way, I'll be able to more accurately understand the transit time and dissolution in the intestines.

There's also the option to take SN drink as soon as the first symptoms of poisoning appear.

 

[encore]

doubling down on what Forveleth said. you either do one or the other. there's also no good reason to extend your "protocol" into multiple days with SN. ensuring your stomach is empty is the only thing you realistically need, for most people that would take around 4-5 hours since last food intake.

you will throw up capsules if you are planning on drinking SN too soon. and by that point… what's the benefit in even drinking it? SN is a potent poison, in an environment where there's no acid to break it down, even as little as 10g is pretty much guaranteed to kill you.

i would say, for someone who needs to die relatively quickly -> SN solution is the way to go. and for someone who doesn't mind waiting a few hours for potentially milder symptoms and a greater chance of success overall -> capsules are a better option.

 

[hedezev4]

doubling down on what Forveleth said. you either do one or the other. there's also no good reason to extend your "protocol" into multiple days with SN. ensuring your stomach is empty is the only thing you realistically need, for most people that would take around 4-5 hours since last food intake.

you will throw up capsules if you are planning on drinking SN too soon. and by that point… what's the benefit in even drinking it? SN is a potent poison, in an environment where there's no acid to break it down, even as little as 10g is pretty much guaranteed to kill you.

i would say, for someone who needs to die relatively quickly -> SN solution is the way to go. and for someone who doesn't mind waiting a few hours for potentially milder symptoms and a greater chance of success overall -> capsules are a better option.

Overall, I agree that this is most likely overkill. But the LD100 for SN, at my weight of 17g (not exact, that's what Chatgpt says), there's a chance that combined with a low heart rate I might lose consciousness and, say, vomit out half of the SN drink. I'm not willing to risk decades of suffering, paralysis, or brain damage. I will go for super overkill, with a 99% or higher chance. I can't take risks on this matter. And again, I will do a test and share the results. Then we'll be able to figure out the right timing.

If no test is done, the ideal time to take the drink is as soon as poisoning symptoms appear.

I didn't quite understand this sentence — "there's also no good reason to extend your "protocol" into multiple days with SN."
Are you disputing the standard 2-day meto protocol? Or what?



If someone replies to me, I'll be away for 8-10 hours and will respond then!

 

[Esc9434]

OP, if you want to get exotic and experiment, then look into ginger root powder or digestive enzymes, which have proteolytic enzymes that break down food in your stomach.

If you take it AFTER a SNACK, then it will immediately empty out your stomach. Remember I said AFTER, not BEFORE. Huge difference.

I haven't researched at what part of digestion does vomiting takes place. However, if your goal is to have something reach your intestines fast, then this could be it.

If you want to do this with the SN protocol, then do it at YOUR own risk. I'm debating on whether to use it myself due to a medical issue.

I mean theoretically it could be tested with table salt or sodium nitrAte. However, a person has to make sure to have potassium pills on hand to displace the excess sodium after testing.

 

[quietwoods]

Overall, I agree that this is most likely overkill. But the LD100 for SN, at my weight of 17g (not exact, that's what Chatgpt says), there's a chance that combined with a low heart rate I might lose consciousness and, say, vomit out half of the SN drink. I'm not willing to risk decades of suffering, paralysis, or brain damage. I will go for super overkill, with a 99% or higher chance. I can't take risks on this matter. And again, I will do a test and share the results. Then we'll be able to figure out the right timing.

If no test is done, the ideal time to take the drink is as soon as poisoning symptoms appear.

I didn't quite understand this sentence — "there's also no good reason to extend your "protocol" into multiple days with SN."
Are you disputing the standard 2-day meto protocol? Or what?



If someone replies to me, I'll be away for 8-10 hours and will respond then!

There are zero recorded cases of permanent brain damage with SN.

There is a woman who survived (by being medically revived) with 92% of her hemoglobin converted to methemoglobin. No brain damage, no long term issues. That's only with 8% of her blood able to carry oxygen.

One of the reasons why SN is so popular is that it's extremely safe.

If it reaches the point where it chokes the blood supply off to your brain enough that it starts causing damage, SN is going to kill you. There's enough of it in your system that no amount of vomiting is going to leave you a vegetable.

Also, if you are concerned about vomiting, I would skip the propranolol. That med increases nausea, and very quickly, especially at the mega dose.

Maybe take a small dose an hour or two beforehand to help with anxiety but that's it. No longer recommended as part of the protocol.

 

[hedezev4]

There are zero recorded cases of permanent brain damage with SN.

There is a woman who survived (by being medically revived) with 92% of her hemoglobin converted to methemoglobin. No brain damage, no long term issues. That's only with 8% of her blood able to carry oxygen.

One of the reasons why SN is so popular is that it's extremely safe.

If it reaches the point where it chokes the blood supply off to your brain enough that it starts causing damage, SN is going to kill you. There's enough of it in your system that no amount of vomiting is going to leave you a vegetable.

Also, if you are concerned about vomiting, I would skip the propranolol. That med increases nausea, and very quickly, especially at the mega dose.

Maybe take a small dose an hour or two beforehand to help with anxiety but that's it. No longer recommended as part of the protocol.

I've looked into this issue, and yes, it probably works that way.
I saw your post where you said that the point of no return is very close to death.
And that if a person is saved, they can recover.


I think you're right about propranolol too, and I don't want to take unnecessary risks.
But I still don't know what's best.
However, it is effective in this process as well.
It should greatly accelerate death, because the blood already has low oxygen, and it becomes impossible to trigger a high heart rate to compensate for the lack of oxygen.


I experimented a bit with propranolol - the maximum I tried was 80 mg.
It affects me quite noticeably — I feel a clear effect even from 20 mg.
Sometimes I can hear my heart, like a ticking bomb in my chest.
After 20 mg, it gets three times quieter.
At 40 mg, the effect is slightly stronger, and I feel mild drowsiness, making it easier to fall asleep.
At 80 mg, the effect is strong — a sense of relaxation and moderate drowsiness, very easy to fall asleep.


But as I understand, it works in percentages - meaning that when taking SN, the pulse will be 130+ bpm, and to bring it down to normal (around 60 bpm), a mega dose would be needed.

OP, if you want to get exotic and experiment, then look into ginger root powder or digestive enzymes, which have proteolytic enzymes that break down food in your stomach.

If you take it AFTER a SNACK, then it will immediately empty out your stomach. Remember I said AFTER, not BEFORE. Huge difference.

I haven't researched at what part of digestion does vomiting takes place. However, if your goal is to have something reach your intestines fast, then this could be it.

If you want to do this with the SN protocol, then do it at YOUR own risk. I'm debating on whether to use it myself due to a medical issue.

I mean theoretically it could be tested with table salt or sodium nitrAte. However, a person has to make sure to have potassium pills on hand to displace the excess sodium after testing.

Well, it might be an idea, but there's too little information about it, I haven't seen anyone actually use it.
Since the results are too unpredictable, I won't be using it.
Also, I don't have any time left for testing.
I will only be able to do one test, with glucose, meto, and fasting.

 

[quietwoods]

I've looked into this issue, and yes, it probably works that way.
I saw your post where you said that the point of no return is very close to death.
And that if a person is saved, they can recover.


I think you're right about propranolol too, and I don't want to take unnecessary risks.
But I still don't know what's best.
However, it is effective in this process as well.
It should greatly accelerate death, because the blood already has low oxygen, and it becomes impossible to trigger a high heart rate to compensate for the lack of oxygen.


I experimented a bit with propranolol - the maximum I tried was 80 mg.
It affects me quite noticeably — I feel a clear effect even from 20 mg.
Sometimes I can hear my heart, like a ticking bomb in my chest.
After 20 mg, it gets three times quieter.
At 40 mg, the effect is slightly stronger, and I feel mild drowsiness, making it easier to fall asleep.
At 80 mg, the effect is strong — a sense of relaxation and moderate drowsiness, very easy to fall asleep.


But as I understand, it works in percentages - meaning that when taking SN, the pulse will be 130+ bpm, and to bring it down to normal (around 60 bpm), a mega dose would be needed.

Well, it might be an idea, but there's too little information about it, I haven't seen anyone actually use it.
Since the results are too unpredictable, I won't be using it.
Also, I don't have any time left for testing.
I will only be able to do one test, with glucose, meto, and fasting.

This makes me wonder if propranolol could be a substitute or complement for people with limited or no access to benzos.

Someone took 24g of propranolol and was out within 5 minutes. Wonder if the 400mg dose would be beneficial then in this scenario. Though, if going the enteric route, I wouldn't go higher than 200mg, which is the highest dose I've seen someone take.

I'd be worried about negative side effects of 400mg if waiting for hours via the enteric route, which is what I am leaning towards.

 

[hedezev4]

This makes me wonder if propranolol could be a substitute or complement for people with limited or no access to benzos.

Someone took 24g of propranolol and was out within 5 minutes. Wonder if the 400mg dose would be beneficial then in this scenario. Though, if going the enteric route, I wouldn't go higher than 200mg, which is the highest dose I've seen someone take.

I'd be worried about negative side effects of 400mg if waiting for hours via the enteric route, which is what I am leaning towards.

I have no idea how benzo works(in practice, on me) , and I don't have access to such medications.
But I think propranolol will definitely help, even in a small dose.
(When I tried it for the first time, 20 mg, I didn't expect such an effect - I felt calm and less anxious.)
Now it seems to work a bit weaker, honestly I've been taking it for the last couple of weeks, after those tests.
Twice 20 mg during the day, and 40 mg at night.
I really liked the effect when I don't hear my heart beating so loudly.
(I understand that it's better not to experiment with medications, and it can be harmful, but it doesn't matter because the end is near)
I agree that if I only use capsules, I need to know the exact time they reach the intestines to understand the right timing for such a large dose of propranolol.

So for now, I'm leaning towards 80-120 mg of propranolol together with 30 mg of meto, waiting 40 minutes, enteric capsules with 20 g, then waiting for the first symptoms and immediately after drinking 25 g of SN with crushed( or not crushed?) propranolol 200-400 mg.

But I need to see the results of the test I will conduct tomorrow.
There I will adjust the timing, and maybe that will help understand the best way to proceed.