Small disposable BBQ and a car

[OverBeforeStart]

You would also need to seal the door and vents inside with like a cloth. The charcoal should burn until there are no more flames and it's just embers (grey in color, some red). A room is more difficult because it's larger and so you will need a lot more charcoal than a car. I don't think you'll find a definite answer in the mega thread as to how much exactly you will need. There is a way to calculate it based on volume and mass of charcoal, though (I don't know it off the top of my head). Also, if it's in a bathroom inside a house, the possibility of CO leaking out into the living room and setting off the CO alarm is a possibility. Also consider the people who will have access to that bathroom after. They will be at risk as well.

There is no CO alarm, and I live alone so nobody will notice that I'm gone. Thats the thing thats bothering me about it, Its hard to know how much is enough, it could be overkill or it could be not enough, I guess I will have to keep looking.

 

[mr nobody]

There is no CO alarm, and I live alone so nobody will notice that I'm gone. Thats the thing thats bothering me about it, Its hard to know how much is enough, it could be overkill or it could be not enough, I guess I will have to keep looking.

I don't think there is really an overkill. Unless you start burning things nearby or cause harm to someone else inadvertently.

 

[OverBeforeStart]

I don't think there is really an overkill. Unless you start burning things nearby or cause harm to someone else inadvertently.

I mean in the sense that its more than enough to do the job, so overkill is kind of what I'm going for, to be on the safe side. waking up half dead would not be nice.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

When carbon monoxide is being produced there should be no smoke. CO is an odorless, tasteless, invisible gas.

That's good to know. So you have not experienced an unbearable smell, fog inside your car, burning in your eyes? Maybe just a smell similar to when you make barbecue in the garden?

 

[mr nobody]

That's good to know. So you have not experienced an unbearable smell, fog inside your car, burning in your eyes? Maybe just a smell similar to when you make barbecue in the garden?

Nope, no unbearable smell, no burning in the eyes. Yes, just a smell similar to BBQ. I also drank alcohol so I don't know if any symptoms were masked due to it.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

and the inside of the car didn't turn black?
not that I care too much, actually.. But if I survive, I would need to use it again..

 

[OverBeforeStart]

Nope, no unbearable smell, no burning in the eyes. Yes, just a smell similar to BBQ. I also drank alcohol so I don't know if any symptoms were masked due to it.

You used 1.8kg and passed out within 15 mins and wouldve probably been gone in an 1-2 hours, according to this chart you were probably somewhere between 1600 and 3200ppm in 30 mins of putting it in the car. If I used 2 kgs in a sealed bathroom wouldn't it be safe to think it would work also but would take a bit longer?

 

[mr nobody]

and the inside of the car didn't turn black?
not that I care too much, actually.. But if I survive, I would need to use it again..

There was ash residue all over the passengers side. It can be wiped off though with a wet towel. The only major consequence to my car was that the glovebox melted from the heat emitted. The other consequence was my rug burning but that was because I accidentally kicked the grill on the first attempt and knocked the charcoal onto the passenger side mat.

You used 1.8kg and passed out within 15 mins and wouldve probably been gone in an 1-2 hours, according to this chart you were probably somewhere between 1600 and 3200ppm in 30 mins of putting it in the car. If I used 2 kgs in a sealed bathroom wouldn't it be safe to think it would work also but would take a bit longer?

Well the PPM is dependent on the volume of the room because it's a measure of concentration. To put it more simply, in a car you have much less space and therefore there will be less room for air to be present in the room. If you produce CO in that space, the concentration will be, let's say 3200 PPM. If you have a much larger space, like a bathroom, and produce the same amount of CO in the car, the concentration will be less because there is a high amount of air in the room and so there will be less CO relative to the amount of air present. In order to reach 3200 PPM, there needs to be enough CO produced to fill the room to that concentration.

PPM is mass of solute divided by mass of the entire solution. Put simply, for example, if you have 100 PPM of CO, what this means is, if you take a sample of air and divide it by one million, 100 of these "parts" will be CO. The rest of it is air.

I hope this somewhat answers your question. Excuse the engineer in me getting all technical as well.

 

[OverBeforeStart]

Well the PPM is dependent on the volume of the room because it's a measure of concentration. To put it more simply, in a car you have much less space and therefore there will be less room for air to be present in the room. If you produce CO in that space, the concentration will be, let's say 3200 PPM. If you have a much larger space, like a bathroom, and produce the same amount of CO in the car, the concentration will be less because there is a high amount of air in the room and so there will be less CO relative to the amount of air present. In order to reach 3200 PPM, there needs to be enough CO produced to fill the room to that concentration.

PPM is mass of solute divided by mass of the entire solution. Put simply, for example, if you have 100 PPM of CO, what this means is, if you take a sample of air and divide it by one million, 100 of these "parts" will be CO. The rest of it is air.

I hope this somewhat answers your question. Excuse the engineer in me getting all technical as well.

Thanks but I know what PPM is, what I don't know how much will I need for it to kill me... or how much the charcoal I have will produce.

The only thing stopping me from putting more is the heat/smoke/smell from all that coal, I will make a test and see how much I can tolerate, I really have no other choice. this HAS to work.

 

[TripleA]

mr nobody, did you also seal the vents and doors with tape? Is that important? I've been wondering that a car is not air proof and the amount of air that leaks in depends from the brand of the car.. Maybe it's not that important, because once CO ties to blood cells, it is not released that quickly; so even if the concentration of CO in the car decreases, it will not result in a failed attempt.
To avoid opening the door or sitting in the car since the beginning (low CO levels) I was thinking of letting a tube out of a window (sealed with tape all around it) and connect it to a face mask, so that I can sit in the car and breath normally while CO builds up in the car. Then I drop the mask (and seal it) and start breathing CO

Luka where are you from?

 

[Geek1616]

Has this method been successful?

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

Luka where are you from?

italian but I live in germany

 

[bov]

If you successfully sleep thru it it's peaceful but survivors have reported acute discomfort and nausea.

 

[atdeathsdoor]

I attempted this a few weeks ago. I used 1.8kg of charcoal and one portable grill. I had drank alcohol to reduce the anxiety and it worked. I also took zzzQuil to help me fall asleep. What I did was: I let the charcoal burn outside for about 1 hour until there were no more flames. I took the grill and put it on a brick inside my passenger side floor mat. I closed the door and let the grill sit inside for about 30 to build up the CO level inside the car. After 30 min I got inside. I was inside for about 10-15min before I felt like I was about to pass out. At that point I sent a text to my gf to let her know, which ended up being the reason I survived. She was able to get to me in time. I lost consciousness right after I sent the text message and I woke up in the hospital. My CO blood gas level was 50-70%. I was in the car for about 40-45min total. If she had not gotten to me, I would've succeeded. It was entirely painless and you will pass out before you feel anything.

do you have to tape up the windows and vents even with the windows and vents fully closed