Sites like this one blamed again

[Misfit72]

I came across this article blaming sites like these for someone's death, in this case the wife of a former government minister in the UK - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ter-owen-paterson-after-wifes-death-q55cxc7kh Most of it is behind a paywall but you get the idea.

 

[lofistos345]

I came across this article blaming sites like these for someone's death, in this case the wife of a former government minister in the UK - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ter-owen-paterson-after-wifes-death-q55cxc7kh Most of it is behind a paywall but you get the idea.

What other sites are available?

 

[sadworld]

That's kinds fucked up. They say we are encouraging suicide...

 

[DontGiveAshiit]

edited out. misunderstood

 

[Misfit72]

The last time a British parliamentarian ended his own life, accidentally, was this one - http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/8/newsid_2538000/2538165.stm Auto-erotic asphyxiation with an orange in his mouth and a plastic bag over his head.

 

[DontGiveAshiit]

It's the former government minister who's complaining, not his wife, as she was the one who killed herself - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/54221746

The last time a British parliamentarian ended his own life, accidentally, was this one - http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/8/newsid_2538000/2538165.stm Auto-erotic asphyxiation with an orange in his mouth and a plastic bag over his head.

lol :) Ok my mistake this time... I didnt read the article, it's just what I understood from your comment...
Anyway, yes my point still stands, no matter who killed themselves, blaming it on some forum is just stupid.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

The text of the story is repeated in several outlets.

He's a person in a position of power and he's pissed.

First, he talks about the inviting language of suicide sites. I don't know how many there are (only Lost All Hope comes to mind), her computer showed she had visited multiple sites before she hung herself. I admit, on this site the top of the suicide discussion page is inviting and had an impact on my decision to join, there's definitely a warm fuzzy aspect to it. I don't know that there's a better alternative for how to describe for a member what Suicide Discussion posting content is about since it's a guideline, I hadn't given it any consideration, but I also have noticed that, depending on the current tone of the forum that seems to change every two to four months, there have been periods since I've been here when the predominant tone has had strongly competing vibes, always some warm and fuzzy, but also sometimes rashes of trolls, prolifers, etc. There's not been a consistent overall tone to match the header. But I'll get back to his rhetoric about suicide sites toward the end of my comment (hint: red herring).

Second, check out this quote, this is what really hit my gut, my instinct:

"Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies taking your own life. I read a book that says, that the last thing you should do when you are feeling suicidal, is kill yourself.

"I have talked to a lot of people, those who have lost close family or friends to suicide and to those who have made attempts on their own life.

"One family told me that 40 years on from their son's death they have not got over it."

He says he completely understands why.

"It is the finality of everything. Having to cancel bank accounts or subscriptions, seeing the leaves drop from the trees and knowing she won't see the new leaves grow in the spring.

"It is waking to a beautiful day and knowing that she can't enjoy it.

"If I can do something to stop one person ending their life, one family having to endure the anguish, it will be worthwhile."

I get that he's mourning, and I have respect for that, having lost someone myself, and having experienced magical thinking. But he speaks from quite a demanding, dominating, grounded position, one of absolute authority and power. Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies taking your own life? Would he have his best friend/wife or others arrested if he could? Something stinks about his rhetoric. I've been abused, and I know what abusive, oppressive power sounds like, and villifying an abuser's victim so the abuser looks (and feels) good.

And ooh, he read a book. How authoritative. The book isn't even mentioned, and it's not necessary; he's Owen Paterson, MP, and he read a book that said something he agreed with. End of.

He's talked to a lot of people: that's a second triangulation after the book. He wouldn't need to bring in the amorphous bandwagon if his position were strong. Triangulation always indicates weakness of a position and a need shield. What people? People who have lost friends and family and people who have attempted, apparently they are all on his side and add to his power. Followed by the strong emotional appeals, made stronger by evoking the senses. Forgive me, but this is slick, organized rhetoric, and he's a politician.

Finally, if he can stop one person from ending their life -- not to save them but to save a family from anguish, those self-killing bastards -- it will be worthwhile. Well, how is he going to do that? Shut down websites? Put the person in mental health jail? Drug them? There is zero lack of empathy here for the one who suffers enough to suicide, only for the family. Only for him, and for his family, bit mostly him. His "best friend" comes across as kind of an enemy, in spite of how much he talks about how accomplished and revered she was. Underneath it all, it's power politician talk, and he has quite a powerful emotional platform.

It is not my way to go after a family member, but his rhetoric tells me he is a very controlling person and he's on a mission to dominate and to look good, look powerful, to do a huge ass virtue signal, like this article and his supposed efforts are one huge diversion. I get the impression he lost some dominance when she died -- not just influence and control, like the rhetoric of Shawn Shatto's parents indicates, but dominance, oppressive power, or at least it's been threatened. So maybe this is how a powerful, dominant man deals, maybe he wasn't dominant over his wife...but I'm not at all getting a true victim-seeking-empowerment vibe from him, I'm getting that his wife did something she had no right to do, totally unjustifiable. Who tf is he to say that? Other folks against SS act like SS victimized them; he acts like the person who suicides is the victimizer, and I get the impression that suicide sites are a red herring. So was COVID in the story, it was really weak. Again, this man strikes me as slick and dominant and when I read the story, especially the part I quoted, it hit my gut, and my gut has never lied to me. Her suicide may have had nothing to do with him, and it may have indeed been a suicide (yeah I'm that suspicious of his moves here, oh but he was out of town innit?), but he's trying to make her look perfect and criminal at the same time. Bad vibes.

Anyhow, if he ever reads this, I hope he has me tracked down and taken out with a quick bullet to the brain for this post (thanks in advance! And thanks, OP, for posting!).

 

[Misfit72]

Nothing, absolutely nothing, justifies taking your own life.

No, Owen, long-term unemployment, the knowledge that you will never have a career, the sense that society regards your strengths as weaknesses and other people's weaknesses as strengths, being surrounded by crude, shallow, slovenly, aggressive and violent people, some of whom are your party colleagues, all of these are justified.

One family told me that 40 years on from their son's death they have not got over it.

Well, my mother died of cancer over 40 years ago and I am still pissed off (not 'pissed', which means 'drunk' on this side of the Atlantic) to put it mildly. I resent my father still being alive and if my death ruins the rest of his life, the better.

 

[There Look! Nothing]

Oh fuck them, we deserve a place to die in peace. Enough.

 

[woxihuanni]

the sense that society regards your strengths as weaknesses and other people's weaknesses as strengths

Yes. Couldn't have put it so well.

 

[Deleted member 23009]

He is mourning and is conflicted probably in his way of thinking want wants to find another reason or someone to blame for her suicide.

But it's always the same, the majority of people with a lack of understanding for life/death, refuse to accept another persons wish, if that wish means suicide.
Out of their selfish will, they call the suicidal persons actions selfish. So it's quite ironic how that works.

Death is as natural as being born but if someone decides to take control over it and decide when it's time to die it suddenly becomes unnatural, at least to many people.
Death is also such a mysterious thing, often, and usually if not always, attached with negativity. We know this world, so someone being born into it isn't judged as something bad, even if you don't know how the life will develop. But in death, no one really knows for sure what will happen, so a lot of people fear it, or just can't understand it. Humans in general I think always strive to find meaning in something. Even if there might not be a meaning to life, humans tend to want to create one, or find meaning in something.

Also it's kind of weird to celebrate life so much and someone being born into this world. When you have no idea what will happen to them, what pain they might go through, what will happen to our world in the future etc. The world sucks a lot already and often seems to get worse. There are so many bad things but simply out of the selfish need to have children for your own sake as a family you seem to simply ignore all the other things.

It's an antinatalist view people might not agree with but you get the point.

Well, we say, one must live. It's necessary to survive. You know, you really must go on. It's your duty. We think, in other words, part of our Western philosophy, that we think we have a drive to survive, that we must go on living, because some Big Daddy said to us, "You gotta go on living." See! "And you better make it or else!" There really is no necessity to go on living.

The fear of death is completely absurd. Because if you're dead, you've got nothing to worry about, so you'll be alright.

So in the same way, this thing here, this plant. I'm quite sure it doesn't say to itself, "You ought to go on living. You've got an instinct to survive which is something other than yourself in which you have to obey."

Now you see, living, like this plant, is something spontaneous. In Chinese, the word for nature is "ziran," which means "that which happens of itself; not under any control of any outside boss." And so, you stop this spontaneous flowering of nature cold if you tell it, "You must do it!" It's like saying to someone, "You must love me!" Well, it's ridiculous!

As quoted above Alan Watts speaks a bit on the subject and some of the things he talks about I find interesting.
I just don't feel the obligation to live, just for the sake of living, and I would never blame someone else or force someone to live if they don't want to.
As well as to not encourage suicide, or to try to make someone do it.
It's simply doing what you feel like doing, whatever that may be.
The most important thing is how you feel, whether you are happy or if you're suffering in pain.

I think at least with a mindset like that it would free ourselves more with less pressure/obligations.

Anyway I've ranted enough!

 

[Meditation guide]

I came across this article blaming sites like these for someone's death, in this case the wife of a former government minister in the UK - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ter-owen-paterson-after-wifes-death-q55cxc7kh Most of it is behind a paywall but you get the idea.

People are so eager to blame the one place in the world, namely this site, that gives people a way out, and a place where they can talk about their feelings, without having to throw themselves in front of a train, hang themself, shoot themself, or jump off a cliff. They should be grateful that their desperate loved one had some place to get information on a relatively peaceful exit.

Recently someone who used this site and then used SN to commit suicide had his obituary say
"died peacefully at home". I can't help but think his grieving family at least had this small measure of comfort.

 

[omoidarui]

The text of the story is repeated in several outlets.

He's a person in a position of power and he's pissed.

First, he talks about the inviting language of suicide sites. I don't know how many there are (only Lost All Hope comes to mind), her computer showed she had visited multiple sites before she hung herself. I admit, on this site the top of the suicide discussion page is inviting and had an impact on my decision to join, there's definitely a warm fuzzy aspect to it. I don't know that there's a better alternative for how to describe for a member what Suicide Discussion posting content is about since it's a guideline, I hadn't given it any consideration, but I also have noticed that, depending on the current tone of the forum that seems to change every two to four months, there have been periods since I've been here when the predominant tone has had strongly competing vibes, always some warm and fuzzy, but also sometimes rashes of trolls, prolifers, etc. There's not been a consistent overall tone to match the header. But I'll get back to his rhetoric about suicide sites toward the end of my comment (hint: red herring).

Second, check out this quote, this is what really hit my gut, my instinct:



I get that he's mourning, and I have respect for that, having lost someone myself, and having experienced magical thinking. But he speaks from quite a demanding, dominating, grounded position, one of absolute authority and power. Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies taking your own life? Would he have his best friend/wife or others arrested if he could? Something stinks about his rhetoric. I've been abused, and I know what abusive, oppressive power sounds like, and villifying an abuser's victim so the abuser looks (and feels) good.

And ooh, he read a book. How authoritative. The book isn't even mentioned, and it's not necessary; he's Owen Paterson, MP, and he read a book that said something he agreed with. End of.

He's talked to a lot of people: that's a second triangulation after the book. He wouldn't need to bring in the amorphous bandwagon if his position were strong. Triangulation always indicates weakness of a position and a need shield. What people? People who have lost friends and family and people who have attempted, apparently they are all on his side and add to his power. Followed by the strong emotional appeals, made stronger by evoking the senses. Forgive me, but this is slick, organized rhetoric, and he's a politician.

Finally, if he can stop one person from ending their life -- not to save them but to save a family from anguish, those self-killing bastards -- it will be worthwhile. Well, how is he going to do that? Shut down websites? Put the person in mental health jail? Drug them? There is zero lack of empathy here for the one who suffers enough to suicide, only for the family. Only for him, and for his family, bit mostly him. His "best friend" comes across as kind of an enemy, in spite of how much he talks about how accomplished and revered she was. Underneath it all, it's power politician talk, and he has quite a powerful emotional platform.

It is not my way to go after a family member, but his rhetoric tells me he is a very controlling person and he's on a mission to dominate and to look good, look powerful, to do a huge ass virtue signal, like this article and his supposed efforts are one huge diversion. I get the impression he lost some dominance when she died -- not just influence and control, like the rhetoric of Shawn Shatto's parents indicates, but dominance, oppressive power, or at least it's been threatened. So maybe this is how a powerful, dominant man deals, maybe he wasn't dominant over his wife...but I'm not at all getting a true victim-seeking-empowerment vibe from him, I'm getting that his wife did something she had no right to do, totally unjustifiable. Who tf is he to say that? Other folks against SS act like SS victimized them; he acts like the person who suicides is the victimizer, and I get the impression that suicide sites are a red herring. So was COVID in the story, it was really weak. Again, this man strikes me as slick and dominant and when I read the story, especially the part I quoted, it hit my gut, and my gut has never lied to me. Her suicide may have had nothing to do with him, and it may have indeed been a suicide (yeah I'm that suspicious of his moves here, oh but he was out of town innit?), but he's trying to make her look perfect and criminal at the same time. Bad vibes.

Anyhow, if he ever reads this, I hope he has me tracked down and taken out with a quick bullet to the brain for this post (thanks in advance! And thanks, OP, for posting!).

those feels when GoodPersonEffed in 2020 actually articulates recent events better than anyone in '21.

this happened a few weeks ago now but Owen Paterson, the MP who spoke out against "horribly inviting suicide forums", is now a former MP with an unrelated corruption allegation against him

ironic his use of the word "evil" to describe forums like ours when he said he would've preferred to think that his wife had been murdered than committed suicide, which says all you need to know about his true character (if GPE hadn't already summarised it perfectly); basically meaning he'd prefer to believe his wife had died in the most unimaginable horrific way than in a self-chosen way that's potentially detrimental to his PR.

narcissist and covert manipulator, career with fixthe26 beckons

 

[Braindead Atheist]

It pisses me off when people blame SS for us taking our lives. First of all, a lot of times its other people's ignorant and selfish attitudes that lead us to SS. If they don't want us on here, they need to stop shutting us down.

Another thing is that its our life and our choice. So we make the choice at the end of the day. No one else. I don't deserve a life that doesn't work for me and neither does anyone else. I should have some say in how long it lasts. I didn't ask for this life so it shouldn't be a commitment.

SS just gives options. I am so sick of people teaming up against us. I am 24 and I've hated about 20 years of my life total. Thats 20 years I GAVE other people. I didn't HAVE TO do that. Its a gift, you don't get to ask for more, force more or emotionally black mail me into giving more. Its that selfish and bratty attitude that makes me want to leave that much more.

I stayed 24 years, and there's been nothing for me but broken dreams, my metabolic disorder, getting druged and mistreated in inpatient facilities, and getting bullied and fired at jobs. If there were some thing more I think I'd know. I don't want life and I'm GLAD SS has given me resources and options to end things. I really hope I die in the next year because I'm fucking done. If other people think its THEIR choice then, I will make sure their lives are hell.