leloyon

leloyon

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Feb 4, 2023
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(please move the thread if it's in the wrong place, didn't know where this should be posted)
Since apparently it's a slow news day and they got nothing better to do (that and people are calling for them to be defunded for disrespecting a murder victim and keeping a known pedophile on their payroll).
 
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Tesha

Life too shall pass
May 31, 2020
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To be honest, I'm surprised it's taken them this long for that part of the site to be flagged.

I do question their investigation skills though - they make it sound like they've been extensively thorough and infiltrated deep into SaSu. Whereas in reality, they've only read some threads, added a few numbers up and re-reported older news stories.

I do feel sorry for any family impacted by death, however it occurs. Wouldn't it be a nicer planet if people were able to legally and peacefully end their own lives, surrounded by friends and family and therefore didn't need to seek someone else to emotionally support themā€¦. or better still have the right support and treatments in place to prevent them from even getting in to that headspace.
 
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rozeske

Maybe I am the problem
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They claim that a 54 year old was coerced in to suicide, apparently the site and the partners thread is at fault...how do you even reason with these people?
 
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SketchTurner

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I saw it pop on the news ticker on bbc news this morning when my mother put it on for the cats. Surprised it made the tv in one way, but I guess it is a sensational story.

I don't think it has to be a slow news days for people to like news about "hundreds" of people asking for suicide partners, predators, 100s of SN sales linked to one guy. It is pretty sensational if you're not aware of it.

They claim that a 54 year old was coerced in to suicide, apparently the site and the partners thread is at fault...how do you even reason with these people?
I do understand it in a sense, the website is generally accused of encouraging suicide by providing a space where people say goodbye, wish them well, and do not say please don't kill yourself. That is a wrong interpretation think.
Having a space specifically to meet partners did surprise me, it does feel like another step of creating a social connection where two parties are "encouraging", consenting, nudging each other towards suicide. Even if in private afterwards.
I think the delineation is a fair one - although I have no desire for a partner so I am ignorant to people's motives etc, if people just don't want to be alone. I'm not arguing against it either just saying i do feel it's a different kind of thing. I can see normie saying well yeah that is different, especially the stories in that article.

General caveats applies about not agreeing with undermining people's choice and believing in some imagined supportive medical system that will save them, like the news and people who want to shut the site down believe.
 
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They claim that a 54 year old was coerced in to suicide, apparently the site and the partners thread is at fault...how do you even reason with these people?

Suicide can never be a voluntary, rational and thought-out decision, otherwise their entire narrative would crumble and fall apart. I'm not surprised they wrote another article and completey ignored what I said in my last thread deconstructing their talking points. Because they've just called us collectively pro-suicide again despite my refutal, which shows to me any response to these journalists is a waste of time and that's gonna be my position now going forward. They're literally ignoring the fact that everything I've said as site administrator, everything our moderators have said and everything our members said in this forum tends to be clearly pro-choice.

It's clear they're not doing any of this in good faith. They just keep making up stuff and ignore everything we have to say to our defense. Even when they reach out and we refute allegations, it barely ever changes the framing in their articles. And it's been like that for years. Which again, is the reason why we're not responding anymore. They're not interested in following journalistic guidelines and taking into consideration why this forum exists and more importantly, why members use it. The most important question remains unanswered to this day and that's: why do people keep making accounts here, despite all the smearing and slandering that happens in the media? It would be the response to many of the questions these journalists have about our forum. But they don't want to hear it and it's simple, the answer as to why people use this forum doesn't fit into their narrative. And the framing in the most recent article makes it very clear to me it's all about laying out the framework for more legislation to crack down on online speech. It's supposed to weaponize Ofcom and enable them to be more oppressive towards content that violates their idiotic Online Safety Bill, one of the most regressive online bills in history. Why do you think the last paragraph of that article is essentially a plea to Ofcom to take more drastic action against our forum? It's literally that, these journalists don't like we're still around despite all attempts to deplatform us with these articles.

And like, again it's bad journalism. All they did here is essentially summarize what other articles already said about this forum in the past. Like, the partner megathread has already been covered in other reports years ago, just saying. None of this information is in any way a new revelation to anyone. But they know we're not going anywhere, so they have to come up with new content somehow to keep the attention on our forum, to keep the pressure up. That's why they've been recycling "news", it's lazy, it's one-sided and to me it's very clear when I check out what these journalists personally think should happen to the site administrators of this forum and to people who sell completely legal products that they're nothing more than mouth pieces for activists trying to shut down the forum, something I've already brought up in my last thread debunking why we're not pro-suicide and they're basically hiding their simplistic and reductive opinion pieces on ethical matters which have as much substance as the average internet blog post as news pieces of one of the most influental news outlets in Europe. They have nothing on us.

Nice drastic increase in guests btw, it looks like this report will backfire once again, leading to plenty of new registrations from members who are grateful they've been guided to our direction because a forum that's pro-choice and doesn't impose views seems to be a pretty attractive place to people who value freedom and individual autonomy, especially when they're struggling themselves with whatever life throws at them. But what do I know. It's not like I've said repeatedly in the past that talking about this forum is the dumbest thing you can do if you sincerely believe this forum is such a horrible and disgusting place. But keep shooting yourself in the foot, all you do is making this place more popular and saying you're not mentioning this forum out of 'ethical concern', doesn't change the fact that the average person can still find this forum with a little bit of research rather quickly and what you're doing is morally repulsive by your own moral standards, okay. Like, "this forum is horrible and it should go away" does not match well with "let's talk about this forum again and again and expose them to people who didn't previously know about this place" because again, the only advertisment we have right now is the BBC. And it's even free, well thanks a lot.

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As for the article itself, not gonna waste any time on it. There are again countless lies in there which aren't even worth debunking anymore, such as "the thread encourages users to end their own lives - and offers instructions on how to do it", that's simply wrong and you can look it up for yourself. But as I said, waste of time. It's funny how they're legit spreading fake news for the lols on the internet and now it's my job to fact check them or something. Like they don't even pretend anymore that their articles are factual or accurate, these are just shitposts at this point. It's hilarious.
 
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HiddenPain

HiddenPain

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Corporation that protects peados tries to vilify people that have taken the decision to exit this broken world, ignore comes to mind.
 
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Downdraft

I've felt better ngl
Feb 6, 2024
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Suicide can never be a voluntary, rational and thought-out decision, otherwise their entire narrative would crumble and fall apart. I'm not surprised they wrote another article and completey ignored what I said in my last thread deconstructing their talking points. Because they've just called us collectively pro-suicide again despite my refutal, which shows me any response to these journalists is a waste of time and that's gonna be my position now going forward. They're literally gnoring the fact that everything I've said as site administrator, everything our moderators have said and everything our members said in this forum tends to be clearly pro-choice.

It's clear they're not doing any of this in good faith. They just keep making up stuff and ignore everything we have to say to our defense. Even when they reach out and refute allegations, it barely ever changes the framing in their articles. And it's been like that for years. Which again, is the reason why we're not responding anymore. They're not interested in following journalistic guidelines and taking into consideration why this forum exists and more importantly, why members use it. The most important question remains unanswered to this day and that's: why do people keep making accounts here, despite all the smearing and slandering that happens in the media? It would be the response to many of the questions these journalists have about our forum. But they don't want to hear it and it's simple, the answer as to why people use this forum doesn't fit into their narrative. And the framing in the most recent article makes it very clear to me it's all about laying out the framework for more legislation to crack down on online speech. It's supposed to weaponize Ofcom and enable them to be more oppressive towards content that violates their idiotic Online Safety Bill, one of the most regressive online bills in history. Why do you think the last paragraph of that article is essentially a plea to Ofcom to take more drastic action against our forum? It's literally that, these journalists don't like we're still around despite all attempts to deplatform us with these articles.

And like, again it's bad journalism. All they did here is essentially summarize what other articles already said about this forum in the past. Like, the partner megathread has already been covered in other reports years ago, just saying. None of this information is in any way a new revelation to anyone. But they know we're not going anywhere, so they have to come up with new content somehow to keep the attention on our forum, to keep the pressure up. That's why they've been recycling "news"., it's lazy, it's one-sided and to me it's very clear if I check out what these journalists personally think should happen to the site administrators of this forum and to people who sell completely legal products that they're nothing more than mouth pieces for activists trying to shut down the forum, something I've already brought up in my last thread debunking why we're not pro-suicide and they're basically hiding their simplistic and reductive opinion pieces on ethical matters which have as much substance as the average internet blog post as news pieces of one of the most influental news outlets in Europe. They have nothing on us.

Nice drastic increase in guests btw, it looks like this report will backfire once again, leading to plenty of new registrations from members who are grateful they've been guided to our direction because a forum that's pro-choice and doesn't impose views seems to be a pretty attractive place to people who value freedom and individual autonomy, especially when they're struggling themselves with whatever life throws at them. But what do I know. It's not like I've said repeatedly in the past that talking about this forum is the dumbest thing you can do if you sincerely believe this forum is such a horrible and disgusting place. But keep shooting your own foot, all you do is making this place more popular and saying you're not mentioning this forum out of 'ethical concern', doesn't change the fact that the average person can still find this forum with a little bit of research rather quickly and what you're doing is morally repulsive by your own moral standards, okay. Like, "this forum is horrible and it should go away" does not match well with "let's talk about this forum again and again and expose them to people who didn't previously know about this place" because again, the only advertisment we have right now is the BBC. And it's even free, well thanks a lot.

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As for the article itself, not gonna waste any time on it. There are again countless lies in there which aren't even worth debunking anymore, such as "the thread encourages users to end their own lives - and offers instructions on how to do it", that's simply wrong and you can look it up for yourself. But as I said, waste of time. It's funny how they're legit spreading fake news for the lols on the internet and now it's my job to fact check them or something. Like they don't even pretend anymore that their articles are factual or accurate, these are just shitposts at this point. It's hilarious.
I really appreciate the effort you put on these, but sadly I agree, you're talking to a wall.

Just know these people are angry 'cause as you say they have nothing on you. and by keeping this place alone you're already doing more against them than any post will. They can't cope with the idea this site won't go anywhere and there's nothing they can do to stop it.
 
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Berlin

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Corporation that protects peados tries to vilify people that have taken the decision to exit this broken world, ignore comes to mind.
They are very chill when 40K (possibly over 150K when they check the rubble according to the Lancet) Palestinians get turned to skeletons but westerners deciding to finally not participate in a capitalistic hell world suffering- front page!
 
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nihilistic_dragon

nihilistic_dragon

Dead already. Just need to dispose of my body now.
Aug 6, 2024
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"It is a forum which "preys on desperate souls" Lmao. I am sorry, I didn't know SaSu is selling anything. It must be a billion dollar industry, oh no!
 
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HiddenPain

HiddenPain

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Jul 24, 2024
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They are very chill when 40K (possibly over 150K when they check the rubble according to the Lancet) Palestinians get turned to skeletons but westerners deciding to finally not participate in a capitalistic hell world suffering- front page!
Spot on, very selective with what they give a shit about and as per the reporting is absolute garbage and misleading.
 
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Redleaf1992

Redleaf1992

Just leave us the f*ck alone!
Feb 3, 2024
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Not gonna give opinion on the core of the article, but want to mention something that makes me really angry.

On their self righteous attack on the site, they give little to the consequences of their actions and who may get hurt to get out another news story.

@Dot is an amazing moderator for this site and she spends a lot of her time giving well thought out and helpful advice. She has contributed to many of my posts in the recovery section and I thank her for all her hard work. I have no doubt she has done more in a single day to help people with MH difficulties than those who wrote that articles will do in their entire lives.

To suggest on the article going after her simply because they admit they can't do shit to stop the website is atrocious.

They literally admit concerns about her MH, but don't consider what threatening her on national press may do? I have seen first hand the self righteous doo gooders give the final push to someone to commit suicide by their actions. That single line in the article has the capability to push someone towards suicde more than anything people do here. Against someone much better than themselves.

I suggest they read my signature and jog on.
 
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Gangrel

Gangrel

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Jul 25, 2024
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Honestly what can you even say @/RainAndSadness is right. You can't just reason with them, at all. They just say a bunch of biased bullshit for clicks anyway. Might as well ignore it.
 
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ThisIsMe1357

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the website is generally accused of encouraging suicide by providing a space where people say goodbye, wish them well, and do not say please don't kill yourself. That is a wrong interpretation think.

I agree that this is the wrong interpretation because that has nothing to do with encouraging anything. People have to make a lot of conscious choices of their own free will for something like that to happen. And that is also the reason why any 54 year old man cannot be coerced into suicide by any looking-for-a-partner thread. Simple as that.
 
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outrider567

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Apr 5, 2022
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(please move the thread if it's in the wrong place, didn't know where this should be posted)
Since apparently it's a slow news day and they got nothing better to do (that and people are calling for them to be defunded for disrespecting a murder victim and keeping a known pedophile on their payroll).
What a crap article, I read it in the DailyMail this morning, thay can go f themselves
 
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Ligottian

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Dec 19, 2021
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I'm an American and I found a British internet friend (not a SS member) had sent me the article about this this morning.
 
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voc_89

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Apr 10, 2023
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Absolutely disgusting. When will these pro life normies LEAVE US TF ALONE. We are not harming anyone but ourselves. How dare u dictate how we should live cause it makes u uncomfortable. Disgusting.
 
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fatladysings

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Aug 23, 2024
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Every cloud has a silver lining: I only found this website because I started searching for it after reading the BBC article. I'm so glad I found this site.
 
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Gangrel

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I love how the pain of the victims of suicide is never mentioned is these articles, have y'all noticed that?

It's never "my son was suffering so much", "this person must have been so miserable to do that"...it's always MY pain, I lost a person, they hurt ME, I'M sad about it.

It's never "we have to help those in need and provide better living situations", "maybe capitalism is killing people". It's always "they can't kill themselves", "we need to shut this place down". Always stripping people of options.

Suppression comes first instead of prevention.
 
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voc_89

voc_89

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Apr 10, 2023
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I love how the pain of the victims of suicide is never mentioned is these articles, have y'all noticed that?

It's never "my son was suffering so much", "this person must have been so miserable to do that"...it's always MY pain, I lost a person, they hurt ME, I'M sad about it.

It's never "we have to help those in need and provide better living situations", "maybe capitalism is killing people". It's always "they can't kill themselves", "we need to shut this place down". Always stripping people of options.

Suppression comes first instead of prevention.
for them to do so means they have to take accountability. Most people's kryptonie. For instance, as holy as they are.... how much s.abusers were caught working for BBC? A group that causes irreparable damage to its victims. Leading to sites like this. But no lets blame people for taking the out not what got them there to begin with
 
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leloyon

leloyon

I'll see you in the Wired.
Feb 4, 2023
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"It is a forum which "preys on desperate souls" Lmao. I am sorry, I didn't know SaSu is selling anything. It must be a billion dollar industry, oh no!
Also, the paradox of the SaSu user: both an innocent victim being brainwashed to commit suicide, and an evil predator goading others into committing suicide. It is funny how, to these people, we are apparently both at once.
 
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Aloneandinpain

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Dec 25, 2023
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(please move the thread if it's in the wrong place, didn't know where this should be posted)
Since apparently it's a slow news day and they got nothing better to do (that and people are calling for them to be defunded for disrespecting a murder victim and keeping a known pedophile on their payroll).
Please use an archive for BBC content and other legacy media crap. They're just seeking attention and clicks or to distract people from real news stories. Perhaps you could edit the link in your post to an archive please?

 
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LaVieEnRose

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Jul 23, 2022
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The mental health industry, at least in America, is the real predator. Textbook example. What else do you call something that locks people up for financial gain?
 
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mrpeter

mrpeter

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Jun 11, 2024
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all this leef guy talks about is this site nothing else
all this leef guy talks about is this site nothing else
And for over a year.

Is this guy actually dumb enough to think that by whining he will get the site taken down? Guy is so fucking desperate its pathetic, can this guy talk about anything else him melanie and catherine.

And of course doxxing people is the right thing to do, this guy seems like a really good person.
 
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leloyon

leloyon

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Feb 4, 2023
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Please use an archive for BBC content and other legacy media crap. They're just seeking attention and clicks or to distract people from real news stories. Perhaps you could edit the link in your post to an archive please?

Sorry, overlooked that when I made the thread. I cannot edit the OP anymore unfortunately. If any mods could replace the OP link with this link I would appreciate it, I don't want to give the BBC clicks.
 
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Cress

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I guess they really don't think too much of the people on this website. Suicide prevention methods in the modern world are quite frankly just broken. The number one cause of death for males 20 to 35 is suicide. I know it doesn't affect every single population but that's one of the main demographics of your functioning society In the first world and they're destroying themselves At a record rate.

The system Whereby we pull people out of darkness Who are suffering in total despair is in drastic need of reform but there's been very little movement in that front. The current system really stops at Asking the police to go do a wellness check forcibly apprehending you And tossing you in a psych ward Where you will be treated as hostile and aggressive. Like you're some sort of child that's having a temper tantrum that will soon pass and you just don't understand what's going on. All of your concerns with why you don't want to live anymore don't really matter to this people they're just covering their liabilities.

I already know there's people that are so immediately troubled that the only way you can handle it is locking them in a room With very little interaction but man that should not be the absolute default for everyone who so much as even mentions they want to harm themselves.

They locked people in dormitories with between 16 to sometimes up to 60 other Suicidal people depending on the facility. They hold on to you for 5 to 7 days sometimes a month in certain circumstances and then they boot you out the door to anywhere they can designate that you are at a "safe place".

They Give you some numbers for Therapists and psychiatrists and that's the extent of what they do they've washed their hands of it. I stayed at one of these facilities for a month once because I didn't have a "safe place" to go to I was homeless and told them to discharge me to my car. They said that wasn't a "safe place" for a few weeks but after a month they said it was good enough And discharged me to the address of my car.


What really aggravates me the most about all of this is how They have turned this process of hospitalizing people into business opportunity and these facilities are essentially farming people for money who are some of the most hurt and desperate damaged vulnerable people.

It's absolutely disgusting And I can't even really begin to tell you how angry it makes me seeing behind the curtain so to speak and how these facilities really operate.


These people have the gall to blame People on this website For increasing suicide. When there's literally nowhere in the world that you can talk about suicide without ridicule as if the best strategy is just to ignore it and hope it goes away. Suicide prevention is in desperate need of radical reform get rid of all these crazy profit incentives literally farming some of the most abused people and actually help them.

I have this radical idea where maybe when someone is suicidal you try to actually address those fundamental issues? It's pretty radical I know. I guess we should just stick with the current system where everyone's problems can all be solved with medication. Yeppers.
 
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maniac116

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Aug 10, 2024
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I saw it pop on the news ticker on bbc news this morning when my mother put it on for the cats. Surprised it made the tv in one way, but I guess it is a sensational story.

I don't think it has to be a slow news days for people to like news about "hundreds" of people asking for suicide partners, predators, 100s of SN sales linked to one guy. It is pretty sensational if you're not aware of it.


I do understand it in a sense, the website is generally accused of encouraging suicide by providing a space where people say goodbye, wish them well, and do not say please don't kill yourself. That is a wrong interpretation think.
Having a space specifically to meet partners did surprise me, it does feel like another step of creating a social connection where two parties are "encouraging", consenting, nudging each other towards suicide. Even if in private afterwards.
I think the delineation is a fair one - although I have no desire for a partner so I am ignorant to people's motives etc, if people just don't want to be alone. I'm not arguing against it either just saying i do feel it's a different kind of thing. I can see normie saying well yeah that is different, especially the stories in that article.

General caveats applies about not agreeing with undermining people's choice and believing in some imagined supportive medical system that will save them, like the news and people who want to shut the site down believe.
I've seen a few people discouraging others from CTB on this sitešŸŒ¹šŸ’”
 
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possessed

possessed

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Aug 10, 2024
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A line from the article.............."She compares it to a dark version of a dating app." WTF is this????

One more reason to leave, the UK government and mainstream media sucks.
 
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Life'sA6itch

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I've seen a few people discouraging others from CTB on this sitešŸŒ¹šŸ’”
Me too, but the pro-lifers, faux journalists and others will claim that doesn't exist here.
 
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Dusk till dawn

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Sep 7, 2018
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Yeah these so called journalists can fuck off, this "report" is extremely biased, misleading, there is no point in denigrating this forum, it has helped many people in different ways, whether be it by providing information on how they can end their suffering, gave them a place where we can share the most sensitive parts of our lives without fear of being judged, at the time when i started using this website frequently i was suicidal and in my lowest, now i recovered from depression and i still support this website and everything it stands for, if it wasn't for sanctioned suicide i would have probably attempted suicide impulsively and ended up being disabled, i'm grateful for having discovered this place even at my lowest, the way these so called "journalists" try to denigrate this forum is disgusting.
 
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Maybe if methods of killing oneself were available in the real world not banned and micromanaged people wouldn't need to join a site and get brainwashed
 
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