Salpetre a.k.a nitrate

[Corraled]

Joseph Leconte, 1823-1901. Instructions for the Manufacture of Saltpetre

Here Joseph Leconte tries to instruct southern american farmers on how to make potassium nitrate, salpetre, a key ingredient of gunpowder. Basically you mix dirt with ground limestone and straw, and water it with urine while turning it once in a while to let the air get to it.

Basically, urine decays into ammonia, bacteria feed on the ammonia and produce nitric acid, the acid reacts with the limestone and produces calcium nitrate. This same process happens in fish tanks, fishes shit and piss in their own water and it turns all into "nitrate".

Nitrate decomposes into nitrite when heated. The heat drives off the oxygen, and helps the combustion of gunpowder. Nitrite is left as a leftover from the combustion of gunpowder (not the only leftover though).

If you dont feel like preparing and leaching nitrate from a manure pile, you can get it from the solid Drano drain cleaner. Its about 50% sodium hydroxide and the rest a mix of aluminum, salt and sodium nitrate.

 

[Ame]

This is an interesting read, but I hope that you are not suggesting that anyone attempt to produce their own SN in this way. It is much too labour intensive a process for a final product that is not likely to be sufficiently pure. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing this.

 

[MissNietzsche]

Lol why. Just buy sodium nitrate if you can't get SN (not that NaNO3 is a good method of killing yourself, but it's better than drinking piss hahaha)

 

[Stan]

 

[CyanideSoup]

Nitrite and Nitrate are both relatively easy to access, so this seems pretty excessive and there's a high risk of error. If you're for some reason thinking of trying this, be careful.

 

[Science Is Scary]

I love when people share their research, no matter how small. Thanks @Corraled.

 

[Corraled]

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Because it isnt as easy to get for everyone as it was for you. There are threads with people wondering is SN will ever get banned. Im driving the point that even if it is, its easy to make. From your own piss. FYI, my SN is held at customs so i'll have to make my own, but ill start from drain cleaner nitrate.

Nitrite and Nitrate are both relatively easy to access, so this seems pretty excessive and there's a high risk of error. If you're for some reason thinking of trying this, be careful.

They are not as easy to access as you think and nobody is proposing drinking piss. A lot of people in this forum are illiterate. To think that i once considered discussing a synthesis of barbiturates here, but here people gets intimidated by something as simple as separating nitrites from a bottle of drain cleaner or curing salts. You are also obsessed with the random 99% purity benchmark, while you have no method to test for it anyway.

Lol why. Just buy sodium nitrate if you can't get SN (not that NaNO3 is a good method of killing yourself, but it's better than drinking piss hahaha)

Buy it where? At the sodium nitrate store? On the shelf next to the sodium nitrite? Oh you mean from Ebay, because it cant be banned and customs cant confiscate it?

 

[Guizin239]

sounds complicated and you'd end up with a dirty product :/
i went to google and typed sodium nitrite (my city) and it worked fine. first result in the page, even.

 

[SinisterKid]

Oh @Corraled so because most people dont understand the intricacies of science they are illiterate?

I am sorry you feel that way. Why then, do you prefer to hang around us mere mortals, does it give you a sense of superiority? Just trying to understand your mindset when making sweeping statements like that, not trying to be rude or passive aggressive or whatever they like to call it these days.

 

[Meretlein]

This is significantly easier than N synthesis. I still doubt anyone will need to use this because sodium nitrite is available at Walmart and it has mainstream uses.

 

[MissNietzsche]

Bruh, you're dumb too. I'm literally taking biochemistry right now, and I still think this is a stupid method.

 

[Corraled]

Bruh, you're dumb too. I'm literally taking biochemistry right now, and I still think this is a stupid method.

Its for people with no access to chemicals. Theres been a few threads regarding this.

Oh @Corraled so because most people dont understand the intricacies of science they are illiterate?

I am sorry you feel that way. Why then, do you prefer to hang around us mere mortals, does it give you a sense of superiority? Just trying to understand your mindset when making sweeping statements like that, not trying to be rude or passive aggressive or whatever they like to call it these days.

Honestly i dont know, it feels like casting pearls before swine. I mean, theres been people complaining that they dont have access to SN, people not in the USA, or broke, and here i offered a way anyone can make it from urine, though its obviously not necessary if you have access to chemicals, and people go like "why is this necessary, just go to walmart LOL". Stupid swine, probably the same ones asking "if i jump from a specific cliff with a bag over my head, will i die"?

Did you know sometimes peasants had to pay taxes in salpeter? Fertilizer that they made in their own farms? Too complex for the modern mind!

Bruh, you're dumb too. I'm literally taking biochemistry right now, and I still think this is a stupid method.

No, you are dumb. Go ahead, share your method. Share your smart and easy method that does not require access to controlled chemicals. Not everybody has a walmart, or even access to the same household chemicals.

 

[Stan]

It is not that what you are saying is incorrect, but to publish something and have it be classed as successfully received, you have to know your audience. If you read much of the forum, some people have great difficulty going to a search engine to look for SN never mind actually making it from scratch. So probably less than 1% of the board would actually attempt the above or even understand it, the rest would find another method.

 

[MissNietzsche]

No, you are dumb. Go ahead, share your method. Share your smart and easy method that does not require access to controlled chemicals. Not everybody has a walmart, or even access to the same household chemicals.

Easy! Hang yourself..set yourself on fire, drown yourself, slit your wrists... there are tons of ways without chemicals

In all honesty, actual chemistry never turns out as nice as theoretical chemistry. Recommending this is dangerous (kek, danger on a suicide site); for instance, it would be really easy to accidentally still have NaNO3 rather than NaNO2...or who knows what else.

 

[Corraled]

Easy! Hang yourself..set yourself on fire, drown yourself, slit your wrists... there are tons of ways without chemicals

In all honesty, actual chemistry never turns out as nice as theoretical chemistry. Recommending this is dangerous (kek, danger on a suicide site); for instance, it would be really easy to accidentally still have NaNO3 rather than NaNO2...or who knows what else.

Could also jump from a cliff, amirite? Look, these are not methods for making Nitrite. I thought you had the formula, yu sed you were smart

 

[MissNietzsche]

yu sed you were smart

>assuming that one is not smart if they disagree with you

That's a cheap debate tactic btw. I don't blame you for using it though; a lot of people fall for it.

 

[CyanideSoup]

I think people are so 'obsessed with the 99% purity' because we know it is effective. Nobody is saying that this method of making it isn't possible, but you can't guarantee that if you managed to correctly follow the instructions that you would even get the same effect. All I said was be careful

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Joseph Leconte, 1823-1901. Instructions for the Manufacture of Saltpetre

Here Joseph Leconte tries to instruct southern american farmers on how to make potassium nitrate, salpetre, a key ingredient of gunpowder. Basically you mix dirt with ground limestone and straw, and water it with urine while turning it once in a while to let the air get to it.

Basically, urine decays into ammonia, bacteria feed on the ammonia and produce nitric acid, the acid reacts with the limestone and produces calcium nitrate. This same process happens in fish tanks, fishes shit and piss in their own water and it turns all into "nitrate".

Nitrate decomposes into nitrite when heated. The heat drives off the oxygen, and helps the combustion of gunpowder. Nitrite is left as a leftover from the combustion of gunpowder (not the only leftover though).

If you dont feel like preparing and leaching nitrate from a manure pile, you can get it from the solid Drano drain cleaner. Its about 50% sodium hydroxide and the rest a mix of aluminum, salt and sodium nitrate.

Theres also a method in the Foxfire books for this same idea. Very interesting thank you sir/madam.