Discussion Rich people do not necessarily have access to better methods

[UtopianElephant]

Not sure if this is a critique against capitalism or anything of the sort, but maybe it will at least make some members here feel better about their economic situation.

It's just a tad strange that rich and famous people like Chris Cornell, Robin Williams, and many others did not use a more humane and reliable method than hanging.

My post may not be applicable to the mega-rich, but if the net worth is limited to.. let's say, $50 million and under, there are quite a few millionaires in the world who have between $1 million and $50 million dollars. And their money is not working for them when they could really use it.

Some reasons for this, I think, is that many wealthy people are guarded with both their money and the people they associate with. While it is probably true that a rich person can have more options open to them if they think creatively and experiment (using their money as a resource), most folks that are in the wealthy category probably don't do this.

And regarding the fairly common argument that a wealthy person can hire a hit man or something like that... That is doubtful. For the same reason, if not more so, that wealthy people do not hang out in close relationships to successful drug dealers and the like; who could help them get their hands on just about any drug or substance in the world. And hit man agencies reside deep on the black market, after all.

So, if ever there is one argument against becoming rich... This may be it.

 

[blacksand]

the reaper has always been the great equalizer.

 

[SexyIncél]

Hahaha excellent analysis! I like the observation that those with resources can be oddly unresourceful...

 

[UtopianElephant]

Hahaha excellent analysis! I like the observation that those with resources can be oddly unresourceful...

Exactly. You probably do not need a lot of extra money if you cannot gather up enough bits of wit to embody what a multi-millionaire is- a person with great resources and opportunities.

Millions of dollars in the right hands could surely relieve a lot of hardships for many people, such as through building accomodations to reduce homelessness.

 

[Little_Suzy]

The issue is unrelated to monetary concerns. Depression is That Bitch that saps your motivation and makes you care less about everything. I've been to Switzerland enough times that I can afford to apply for VAD. I really couldn't care less.

Most individuals, whether they are a famous person or live in a particularly impoverished country, resort to drugs, guns, or hanging as their method.
Though, Asians and Latinos have a passion for jumping.

Hanging was the method for Bourdain, Spade, and Williams.

I believe that when people choose their method, they take cultural norms into account, so that their loved ones can cope with the aftermath of finding their body.

Overdoses without notes are usually ruled "accidental." Hanging or weapons establish intentional ctb. Someone I knew ctb with carbon monoxide without a note and had the autopsy ruled "accidental." Hanging with sexual activity without a note would certainly be considered "accidental."

Hanging is the easiest escape, but it's not practiced in my culture. I can't bear the thought of my family seeing my body in such a gory manner.

Culture influences my method, not my financial status.

 

[unnormal9]

No, they have access to something tangible. When you're so poor and can't even afford a decently peaceful suicide method.

Depression is That Bitch that saps your motivation and makes you care less about everything.

Depression is that bitch that came from the Valley of Riches.

 

[UtopianElephant]

The issue is unrelated to monetary concerns. Depression is That Bitch that saps your motivation and makes you care less about everything.

Certainly, depression can be very rough and sap people of nearly all energy and motivation. Yet these people, and many others with financial success, somehow found hte motivation to not only to end their lives, but to do it in one of the most difficult and undesirable ways.

It's possible that they somehow settled into their methods, but it's hard to believe they simply chose that over something relatively peaceful like nembutal or instant, like shotgun. Drug use and overdosing is very prevalent among celebrities, and firearms is (or at least used to be) endemic to American culture, not the least so for suiicdees. Much more so than hanging.

"resort to drugs, guns, or hanging as their method."

Yes, but there is a world of difference between these three. The first two are usually highly desired, the other one is despised. No?

"Though, Asians and Latinos have a passion for jumping."

Something darkly humorous about the way you said this. I wouldn't say they have a passion for it, as again, they would gladly opt for something like nembutal if they could obtain it.

Considering how suicidal people would gladly pay anything they could to obtain a method of their choice, it doesn't seem that rich people simply settle into an undesirable method because they are simply fine with it.

Culture does influence the method, but only to a limited extent, since we do not live in the 18th century, but in the age of the internet. So I would have to disagree with you there. But thankyou for your perspectives.

 

[Little_Suzy]

Certainly, depression can be very rough and sap people of nearly all energy and motivation. Yet these people, and many others with financial success, somehow found hte motivation to not only to end their lives, but to do it in one of the most difficult and undesirable ways.

It's possible that they somehow settled into their methods, but it's hard to believe they simply chose that over something relatively peaceful like nembutal or instant, like shotgun. Drug use and overdosing is very prevalent among celebrities, and firearms is (or at least used to be) endemic to American culture, not the least so for suiicdees. Much more so than hanging.

"resort to drugs, guns, or hanging as their method."

Yes, but there is a world of difference between these three. The first two are usually highly desired, the other one is despised. No?

"Though, Asians and Latinos have a passion for jumping."

Something darkly humorous about the way you said this. I wouldn't say they have a passion for it, as again, they would gladly opt for something like nembutal if they could obtain it.

Considering how suicidal people would gladly pay anything they could to obtain a method of their choice, it doesn't seem that rich people simply settle into an undesirable method because they are simply fine with it.

Culture does influence the method, but only to a limited extent, since we do not live in the 18th century, but in the age of the internet. So I would have to disagree with you there. But thankyou for your perspectives.

You're totally fixated on money and Nembutal! Depression prevents me from enjoying my money before dying or acquiring Nembutal. OP is talking about people like myself, and I'm explaining why I wouldn't use poison.

Ruminating thoughts makes this method uncomfortable for me. I don't want to be alone thinking, "Oh, geesh, I just KMS!" I don't want to die wallowing in self-pity, crying, or with a tinge of regret.

To understand VAD, I watched videos. My family would only accept a terminal illness and fully support me. Then I'd consider it.

I want to die swiftly with a little diversion. Do you understand?

I own firearms but never consider using them. All ctbs I know use weapons, save for the CO event.

I don't want my head disfigured because my culture practices open-casket burials. This is why that relative ctb with CO.
My family would struggle to say goodbye at a closed-casket funeral. We've never cremated a relative.

Hanging will distract me from "I just KMS!" thoughts. Your mind is busy telling you to breathe before passing out. Gravity kills you painlessly.

I don't want my ctb body exposed when found and someone touching me when cutting the rope. That must be traumatizing.
My culture doesn't ctb by hanging, so it seems unusual to me, atm.

Hanging is appealing to people who are clinically depressed and exhausted like myself, because it requires little effort, is effective, relatively painless, doesn't damage your body, and you already have something to hang yourself with.


Traditional family funerals didn't die out in the 1800s. Why would you say such a thing? lmao A person's right to a dignified burial should not be diminished just because they ctb.

Right now, I value my culture above anything else, even money.


Please get rich; money is not a problem; it's incredible! It's depression, and That Bitch doesn't care if you're rich or poor.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Those with resources were born with a lead spoon in their mouth, which affected their intelligence.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I wonder how much impulse comes into it too. I do find it curious that they would chose such painful methods. In Robin Williams case- I believe he tried to slash his wrist first. (Poor guy.) I don't know- I just sometimes get the impression their deaths are when they've reached their absolute breaking point and are desperate. Many people here have had ideation for years- even decades. Methods like SN and N don't just require money- they require time to purchase everything. I could absolutely be wrong of course but some celebrity suicides seem more impulsive.

 

[UtopianElephant]

Methods like SN and N don't just require money- they require time to purchase everything. I could absolutely be wrong of course but some celebrity suicides seem more impulsive.

Right. But people like Kate Spade, Chris, and Chester Bennington have had suicidal thoughts for years before their deaths. So it is indeed surprising how they did not have something better than a rope or belt, sitting in a closet, especially since hanging requires significant planning as well (not to mention greater anxiety than better methods).

Sometimes, people just baffle me. Chris Cornell, for example, was on tour when he used the asininely risky hanging via a shower railing or bathroom door and exercise band. All of those social connections around him, all of his money, and he couldn't figure out a better way to end his life!

You're totally fixated on money and Nembutal! Depression prevents me from enjoying my money before dying or acquiring Nembutal. OP is talking about people like myself, and I'm explaining why I wouldn't use poison.

Ruminating thoughts makes this method uncomfortable for me. I don't want to be alone thinking, "Oh, geesh, I just KMS!" I don't want to die wallowing in self-pity, crying, or with a tinge of regret.

To understand VAD, I watched videos. My family would only accept a terminal illness and fully support me. Then I'd consider it.

I want to die swiftly with a little diversion. Do you understand?

I own firearms but never consider using them. All ctbs I know use weapons, save for the CO event.

I don't want my head disfigured because my culture practices open-casket burials. This is why that relative ctb with CO.
My family would struggle to say goodbye at a closed-casket funeral. We've never cremated a relative.

Hanging will distract me from "I just KMS!" thoughts. Your mind is busy telling you to breathe before passing out. Gravity kills you painlessly.

I don't want my ctb body exposed when found and someone touching me when cutting the rope. That must be traumatizing.
My culture doesn't ctb by hanging, so it seems unusual to me, atm.

Hanging is appealing to people who are clinically depressed and exhausted like myself, because it requires little effort, is effective, relatively painless, doesn't damage your body, and you already have something to hang yourself with.


Traditional family funerals didn't die out in the 1800s. Why would you say such a thing? lmao A person's right to a dignified burial should not be diminished just because they ctb.

Right now, I value my culture above anything else, even money.


Please get rich; money is not a problem; it's incredible! It's depression, and That Bitch doesn't care if you're rich or poor.

Hi, your perspective is valid, but it is by no means reflective of the perspectives of other depressed / suicidal people. For a given number of people with your perspective, there are many depressed people who would like nothing more than to have the right to die as well as access to humane and reliable methods.

Depression affects people differently. For example, Chris Cornell died after a rock performance on tour. If he was so severely depressed as to be ambivalent about suicide or methods, he probably would have stayed at home.

Your views on hanging are probably not shared by a majority of people on this site. They would not say that it requires little effort, is sufficiently humane and it would not matter to them if they had a choice between using it, or taking nembutal, or having a gun, etc.

Additionally, you should consider how you would feel if, for whatever reason, you no longer had access to your firearms; would you still be fine with hanging as a method, or would you want to have your firearms back for the margin of mental assurance they provided?

Sorry that you are struggling, and this is by no means an invalidation of your points of view.