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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
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This is something that I've always had in the back of mind, partly due to how I interact with others. Basically this thread is showing one of the ways to find out the stance of a particular person, whether they are pro-choice, anti-choice, or even pro-life/pro-suffering. This thread will explain how I manage to find an indirect way to deduce and perhaps, even some 'reverse psychology' to test the waters or to find whether a person is actually pro-choice or pro-suffering.

The first way is the most straightforward one, which involves simply listening to and finding out what their stance is with respect to various social issues. This can either be done by just being in a conversation, overhearing a conversation (not necessarily eavesdropping) by being present. Some (not all) people tend to talk a lot very casually, especially those who just socialize and one can pick up various parts of a conversation even without participating in them.

The other way, which is a bit more involved, is by using some reverse psychology or (dependent on the topic of course), stating an outlandish stance and see if the person seems to push back. This means that while it may go against one's own stances and values, it is a tactic that they also use against us pro-choicers. By doing this, one is able to gauge and deduce what kind of stance that particular person has, and if they claim to be pro-choice for one (or just in principle – that is another thread altogether and not the focus of this thread), but yet their actions prove otherwise, then one could expose them for their hypocrisy.

For example, suppose one is a pro-choicer and believes in the right to die on one's own terms and encounters someone they may suspect to be a pro-lifer or anti-choicer. The pro-choicer could state an outlandish stance (yes, even though it goes against their own stance) and see how the suspected 'pro-lifer, anti-choicer' will respond. So when someone is suffering a lot, even though it is known that a pro-lifer would want to preserve life at almost all costs, regardless of circumstance, one way to expose their (the pro-lifer's) hypocrisy is to state that "I hope X person makes a miraculous recovery from terminal illness!" which of course is antithetical to the pro-choice stance, but if the pro-lifer admits to miracles, then the easiest slam dunk case would be that said person is indeed a pro-lifer (more-so even religious) and to be careful and wary of said person. The other case is suppose they push back, then it means perhaps they may be a pro-choice, or just a 'lukewarm' pro-choice, one who agrees in principle, but otherwise will push back or even go against what they said (e.g. pro-lifers said "I don't think it's right for them to suffering until natural causes finish (or something along those lines), they deserve a merciful exit with the last days/weeks/months of their lives", but then when reality hits, they renege on their principles or show their true stance).

On the contrary, yes it may seem dishonorable and perhaps even going against one's own stance, and on the surface, that is true, but through the grand scheme of things, it is still a way to deduce and find out which kinds of people are without directly exposing oneself to infantilization, authoritarianism, and such. Furthermore, while others may claim that it is 'stooping down to the level of the pro-lifers and anti-choicers', again while that may be true, sometimes, leveling the playing field is a necessity not borne out of vengeance, but out of protecting oneself in a choice-prohibitive and hostile, pro-suffering world.

There are so many other examples, but these are just the most common ones that I've given and there are many different ways of responding and reacting, but I figured I'd share some knowledge of various interactions I had with people over the course of my sentience. Perhaps some people may even be able to avoid potential traps or pitfalls that would cause more suffering. Finally, I don't believe that it is necessarily stooping down to their level or being dishonorable in the grand scheme of things as one's true stance is still intact, but I digress.
 
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SchrodingerIsDed

SchrodingerIsDed

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I'm pro-choice, but not if they're especially young and not older than 25, As SaSu says itself, the brain matures a lot in this time. Well, SaSu says 21+. Imo, 25+. And also not for reasons like "My gf/bf broke up with me. I'll never find love again." Or, "My parents make me do housework," or "My grades are currently bad.", or some other similar things that can easily be solved with a little bit of time and patience.

Games like this is part of what annoys me about humans in general. I am who I am, idgaf about anything else. I'm pro-life, pro-choice, pro-suffering, and anti-choice all dependent on the context. Idrc what pro-lifers are trying to pull because it's not going to convince me one way or another; and anyone who does get convinced clearly didn't want to die bad enough, imo
 
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SilentSadness

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I'm pro-choice, but not if they're especially young and not older than 25, As SaSu says itself, the brain matures a lot in this time. Well, SaSu says 21+. Imo, 25+. And also not for reasons like "My gf/bf broke up with me. I'll never find love again." Or, "My parents make me do housework," or "My grades are currently bad.", or some other similar things that can easily be solved with a little bit of time and patience.
Again with the only people over 25 or 21 rhetoric, to be clear this site is for people over 18 not over 21, so you're just belittling the people under 21 and 25 when you say that. The idea that you "fully mature" at 25 has been repeatedly debunked and makes no sense anyway. Also, the issues you mentioned can be much more serious than you claim (people can be lonely or distrustful for their entire lives, and parents can be a huge issue in many peoples' lives since they have near unrestricted access to mistreat their children every day). This post just comes across as insensitive to me, hopefully you are just venting when you say this.
 
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Again with the only people over 25 or 21 rhetoric, to be clear this site is for people over 18 not over 21, so you're just belittling the people under 21 and 25 when you say that. The idea that you "fully mature" at 25 has been repeatedly debunked and makes no sense anyway. Also, the issues you mentioned can be much more serious than you claim (people can be lonely or distrustful for their entire lives, and parents can be a huge issue in many peoples' lives since they have near unrestricted access to mistreat their children every day). This post just comes across as insensitive to me, hopefully you are just venting when you say this.
If anything it's been double-triple-dog-proven that the prefrontal cortex doesn't fully develop until 25, 26 years old.
"It is well established that the brain undergoes a "rewiring" process that is not complete until approximately 25 years of age.5 This discovery has enhanced our basic understanding regarding adolescent brain maturation and it has provided support for behaviors experienced in late adolescence and early adulthood. Several investigators consider the age span 10–24 years as adolescence, which can be further divided into substages specific to physical, cognitive, and social–emotional development."
Growing evidence suggests that an individual at the end of adolescence cannot be considered to be an adult when using physical, physiological, intellectual, social, emotional, and behavioral measures. When adolescents in developed societies mature and achieve adult body size, their behavior often remains immature. Specialists in adolescent medicine have recognized this incongruity, and have redefined adolescence to include young adults up to age 24 years--

No. I'm not venting. If a child wants to permanently unalive themselves because they have bad grades, that's really undeveloped thinking: full-stop.

Would you recommend CTB to a 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 year old, then, Mr./Miss Against-Age-Discrimination?

Now if they're getting raped every day like my dad did to me, sure, maybe. Just like my post said: It's about context. Good reasoning, in my opinion, is you have to show that you've taken the steps necessary to alleviate the burdens you have prior to leaping to the most lethal use of force, imo. Then I'll be like, "Oh okay, you've tried everything. CTB must be the right route for you, and your individual situation." Not "I didn't study last week, might as well kms". At the same time, it's not my life, not my decision. This is simply my opinion on who should and who should not as a general principle.
 
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Grumpy Frog

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Dude, there is no need to manipulate. You are stooping lower than their level. Prolife is just wanting to preserve life and having opinions and maybe talking(majority), you want to cross relational boundries and manipulate people to get what you want. It's fucking gross and self centered.

Also, just adding, does blocking/ignoring online not exist anymore? Can we not choose who we associate with as adults?
 
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TAW122

TAW122

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My intentions of writing this article and resource is just sharing how I would find out (even indirectly) of how pro-lifers and stuff. I don't think it is necessarily stooping down to their level or being lower but about protecting oneself from potential harm, which includes betrayal. As far as interactions goes, this is not limited to just online interactions but also in the real world as well and my examples are closer to that of the real world, face to face interactions. I would think anything to protect ourselves from harm given how odds are stacked against us is always a good thing because we are living in a prohibitive society that does not honor our right to die, even goes as far as to impinge and interfere with our bodily autonomy (no, we are NOT free to do so if we have to plan in secrecy and constantly avoid being caught).

With regards to age, I've always believed that if they are of legal adult, age of majority in the jurisdiction they are in (generally 18+ in most of the world), then they should have full legal rights similar to that of adults. Additionally, even if someone is not of age but suffering a terminal illness or really specific circumstances (will be a case by case basis), then they should also have the right to end their suffering without unnecessarily prolonging death. So essentially what I'm saying is things related to age, as long as they are of legal age, then they should have that right, unless in very specific and narrow circumstances.
 
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