Rebreather

[PrincessInWhite]

Anyone else eagerly awaiting the revised version to come out? It said third week of October but apparently it's delayed still.

Im lucky enough I can afford taking a chance on this financially, $175 is doable for me. It seems like it could be a great peaceful alternative to most methods except for N, which I do not feel comfortable buying both because it's a big risk financially (probably triple or more what this rebreather costs) and also because I feel there is a big chance the package will get intercepted since it is not legal. I do not want to be breaking laws to do this.

Anyone else waiting for the rebreather? I know there is a master thread, but I haven't seen any new posts on it since July.

 

[Umbrellaterm]

What's a rebreather? Isn't that some sort of oxygen mask?

 

[SadGuyWannaDie]

Yeah I waited anxiously for it though I'll likely ctb before it goes on sale. I checked the R2D site religiously everyday for a while. I figured even if I ordered it and it got here after I would gift it to someone I know so they wouldn't end up stuck here someday.

 

[Pookie]

Where did you find the information on this? I looked it up online and don't see a website for it.

 

[JustLosingMyself]

What's a rebreather? Isn't that some sort of oxygen mask?

It's a debreather (not to be pedantic).
It's a breathing apparatus that circulates the air you breathe in a closed loop using a counterlung (essentiallya 2-3L bag). There's a canister with a lime based compound that scrubs the CO2 out from the air you exhale.
As you use up the oxygen you pass out and then suffocate to death. Because the CO2 is removed, along with the oxygen being used up you end up breathing mostly nitrogen you will not have the feeling of panic induced by rising CO2 levels. (We cannot detect lack of oxygen, but we do detect excess CO2)

 

[Matthias_k]

No. Why would I buy something that's never been proven to be effective or safe. Until then, the exit bag is a far better alternative.

 

[BLUE1970]

What does it look like and where can it be purchased from, the original version?

 

[Meditation guide]

They need to give up on the rebreather. That's a failure.

 

[Zhontafly]

why do you say that? why is it a failure? @Meditation guide .And why isnt quote working for me?

 

[Studio84]

What does it look like and where can it be purchased from, the original version?

It looks like something that bane of batman fame would wear to be honest.. I don't think you can get the original anymore they took them off sale to make improvements on the design.Its definitely an interesting concept but like it's been pointed out the reliability of it is pretty questionable.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

What's a rebreather? Isn't that some sort of oxygen mask?

It's a failure because it does not work. There was a long discussion about this a few months ago when I first joined.
It's not an idea that will ever work in my opinion based on my understanding of it. I think someone saw a way to make some money off it.

can you elaborate on this? the exit bag sounds good in theory but it's tough to execute imo and even harder if you don't live alone. were there accounts of people failing with it on here? I tried to find them and couldn't.

 

[JustLosingMyself]

It's a failure because it does not work. There was a long discussion about this a few months ago when I first joined.
It's not an idea that will ever work in my opinion based on my understanding of it. I think someone saw a way to make some money off it.

The principle of a debreather is sound: a number of SCUBA divers die each year because they forget to switch on the control unit of their rebreather setup, turning it into a debreather and they pass out and drown or suffocate depending if they use a full face mask or not.
It's actually fairly straightforward to manufacture one if you're good at gluing/vulcanising rubber sheets and plastic connectors. (I'm not)

It's not a discreet project though, be it on the creditcard or the hobbyroom, and a quality full face SCUBA mask is not cheap, nor is the sofnolime.

 

[TheSomebody]

what are your thoughts on that? Is it really reliable and is the website trustworthy?

 

[ecmnesia]

@Onelittleb

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

It's a debreather (not to be pedantic).

I'll be pedantic. :)

It's a debreather, but the name of the product is ReBreather. I don't know if the site has changed, but it was described as a rebreather, however one has to add an oxygen supply to make it one. I don't know why the guy named it that, it's not like he's protecting himself, the website has an instructional video for suicide with the device and no instructional video for adding oxygen.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

what are your thoughts on that? Is it really reliable and is the website trustworthy?

I was hoping to gather that here!! from what I see we don't really know much which kind of makes me nervous, sigh. I just want a peaceful way to go that won't backfire horribly if it fails

 

[Incorrigible77777]

I didn't even count on R2D since the very beginning cuz I could anticipate that they'd come late - I mean, VERY LATE.

 

[bov]

I'm not sure it is that easy to fail with the exit bag method, is it?

 

[SadGuyWannaDie]

I find the science of this device to be sound it's essentially the inert gas method using ambient nitrogen in the air that builds up with the oxygen being removed by every breath and the carbon dioxide getting bound to the soda lime so it's not in circulation.

My doubts come from quality control especially since I read on their side they have already needed to redesign it so leaks aren't caused during shipping. Knowing nothing about the people manufacturing it, it's hard to be a guinea pig but if it ever got off the ground which it may not and I was still around I would consider it but there aren't gonna be any sort of testimonials because it if works the customers gone.

 

[Nimbus]

I too, am waiting on the R2D reboot. I ordered one of the original versions when they were briefly available earlier this year. After doing research and reading what the PPH and Philip N. had to say about it (they have an extensive review in the PPH), I decided this was the best choice for me. Since hearing about the issues some users have had with it over the past months, I decided it would be worth it to purchase the revised version, if only because of the change in the soda lime canisters. I'm still torn on whether the issues reported with it are more user error or a device fault. I'm confident in my ability to use it properly and -as others have mentioned- the science behind this device is sound so I feel comfortable with this method. As stated by Philip N., there has been reported success with the R2D ReBreather.

I just hope the revision will be available soon. I had hoped to have it by now to use before the holidays (another issue altogether for many of us with family).

I'll also add that the day my R2D ReBreather arrived, I felt a tremendous amount of relief just knowing I had it and could use it at any time. That has helped a lot over the past 9 months. Naturally, I wanted to open it and try on the masks, etc. but it comes in a sealed bag that advises not to be opened until ready to use, so it has stayed in the bag.

 

[TheSomebody]

Someone who built a debreather tell me how they did it?


And if this method is as good as it looks, why is it not so popular?

 

[Nimbus]

can you elaborate on this? the exit bag sounds good in theory but it's tough to execute imo and even harder if you don't live alone. were there accounts of people failing with it on here? I tried to find them and couldn't.

I have to respectfully disagree with @Meditation guide on this. Since the authors of the PPH have had contact with the maker, have extensively reviewed the R2D and chose to include it in their publication (and with a higher-than-average reliability rating), I'd say it's not a failure. Now, I'm not saying it's the best option or even that it's flawless (it clearly has some issues and possible drawbacks), but it's far from a failure. Also, if the maker just wanted to make money, he could charge quite a bit more for it and I don't think he'd be working so hard to improve it (while halting all sales in the meantime). FWIW, I had some contact with the maker before my purchase (to ask questions) and found them to be quite detail-oriented, competent, responsive and courteous.

Someone who built a debreather tell me how they did it?


And if this method is as good as it looks, why is it not so popular?

I didn't make mine, I bought it. The product is less than a year old and the seller says it's currently undergoing revisions so isn't for sale (again) just yet, but hopefully soon. Was supposed to be available the end of Oct. but is still unavailable.

I've never made one but I understand it would be relatively simple with the right components. There is another thread you can read on this site which explains more.

 

[TheSomebody]

I didn't make mine, I bought it. The product is less than a year old and the seller says it's currently undergoing revisions so isn't for sale (again) just yet, but hopefully soon. Was supposed to be available the end of Oct. but is still unavailable.

I've never made one but I understand it would be relatively simple with the right components. There is another thread you can read on this site which explains more.

The best thread i found is this one (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/homemade-debreather-lets-build-one.48664/), but it seems to be incomplete regarding the building and some components.


I wanted to know for example how to get this container

 

[Matthias_k]

As stated by Philip N., there has been reported success with the R2D ReBreather..

As far as I know he never said such a thing, and they are still waiting for reports of success, or even better, for people willing to go on record.
In fact he said just the opposite: "So far there has been some reports of unexplained RD2 failure and we're actively seeking for additionnal information"

 

[PrincessInWhite]

I have to respectfully disagree with @Meditation guide on this. Since the authors of the PPH have had contact with the maker, have extensively reviewed the R2D and chose to include it in their publication (and with a higher-than-average reliability rating), I'd say it's not a failure. Now, I'm not saying it's the best option or even that it's flawless (it clearly has some issues and possible drawbacks), but it's far from a failure. Also, if the maker just wanted to make money, he could charge quite a bit more for it and I don't think he'd be working so hard to improve it (while halting all sales in the meantime). FWIW, I had some contact with the maker before my purchase (to ask questions) and found them to be quite detail-oriented, competent, responsive and courteous.

I didn't make mine, I bought it. The product is less than a year old and the seller says it's currently undergoing revisions so isn't for sale (again) just yet, but hopefully soon. Was supposed to be available the end of Oct. but is still unavailable.

I've never made one but I understand it would be relatively simple with the right components. There is another thread you can read on this site which explains more.

Thank you so much for this!!! <3 do you know where I can find these statements by Philip?

 

[Studio84]

Thank you so much for this!!! <3 do you know where I can find these statements by Philip?

He briefly talks about the rebreather on episode 7 of his doxit podcast. I can't remember exactly what he says but if your interested it might be worth a listen.

 

[SodaBaconWeed]

Seems like pulling orders out for a couple months then charge 200 a pop for them again and rinse and repeat is just enough time to make bank and shut down once theirs too many complaints to defend. Richard probably will make a million before he shuts down operations. If not more.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Y'all, the original thread is 41 pages long and answers every question on this thread, including attempts, discussions about manufacturer trusworthiness, follow-ups from PN when it was revealed to have issues, etc. I know it's a lot to read, but if you want to make the most informed decision you can, that's info central.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/debreather-purchase-too-good-to-be-true.30913/

 

[G50]

In fact he said just the opposite: "So far there has been some reports of unexplained RD2 failure and we're actively seeking for additionnal information"

I was wondering if the reported failures of rebreather/debreather method could be due to wearing the face mask without having shaved, so that there is stubble, or even worse, wearing the face mask on top of a beard.

In the case of N95 face masks being used to protect against COVID, it is well-known that these can fail to provide protection against the virus if the person wearing them has unshaven stubble. The stubble creates a gap between the face and the mask where air can get in, which can allow the virus in.

In the context of using a debreather as an exit method, stubble might conceivably also allow sufficient oxygen in, thus leading to failure.