Radical Leftism Has Tanked My Mental Health

[lemonandcapers]

When I would actually leave my house a couple months ago, a friend who was the leader of a club I was in introduced me to anarchism. From that point, I jumped down the rabbit hole and discovered radical leftist belief: the belief that capitalism is what is wrong with society, and a complete overhaul of the system is required. And, honestly, I can see the ways that capitalism has impacted people. The amount of people on this site and on r/suicidewatch who are citing not being able to afford care as a reason for their suicidal thoughts. My inability to cut off my parents financially also contributes to my suicidal thoughts. The fact that people have to be poor and on the streets in general. The fact that there are CEOs out there with so much unnecessary money. The destruction of the environment for profit. The oppression of minorities, specifically black and Indigenous people, disabled people, other POC, women, and members of the LGBTQ+ community. It all ties back to this one thing.

It is going to take years of struggle to see a little bit of change. Every time I interact with leftist spaces, I am reminded how messed up the world is, and it fills me with dread. Yet, it feels like I can't go back. It feels like I can't go back to my old life because I was revealed the truth. And it tanks my mental health to think this. I could try and do something about it, but there is only so much I can do while disabled and unable to leave my house for long periods of time.

 

[zengiraffe]

I think we, as human beings, are biologically hardwired to be perpetually discontent. We got this from a billion years of evolution, and it's a feature, not a bug. It's what drives us to adapt, and survive, and reproduce. We'll never be happy. Even in 1000 years from now if we achieve the communist utopian society that every radical lefty dreams about, we'll still be depressed by our own circumstances and indefinitely strive for more. You've been blackpilled on capitalism, but I think the blackpill of all blackpills is understanding that this deep discontentment is just a core part of the human condition and there's no way we can organize our economy, or our political system, to fix it.

 

[karakoltriste]

I understand, but I blame capitalism for all of this. Sometimes I wish I hadn't started this, being a "normie" who isn't involved in politics...
I'm overwhelmed by all the suffering now, and terrified of the suffering of the future. A lot.
Either I try to fight to change it one more time, or I'll kill myself soon.

 

[deathbydesign]

I can empathize.

As an empath I suffer greatly simply because I know there are so many people suffering in unimaginable ways and that the government has the ability to fix almost of all it and refuses to anything other than cater to the rich.

I get so emotionally screwed up when things are going extra bad in the world and I get so passionate about it all. It's awful on my mental state - and while it's not one of the main reasons I want to ctb- it absolutely adds to the mental distress daily

I hate this world more daily.

 

[6138]

The oppression of minorities, specifically black and Indigenous people, disabled people, other POC, women, and members of the LGBTQ+ community. It all ties back to this one thing.

It is going to take years of struggle to see a little bit of change. Every time I interact with leftist spaces, I am reminded how messed up the world is, and it fills me with dread.

Here's the thing... People are bad. People in general, are bad.

The more powerful oppress the less powerful, that's how it works.

It used to be the case that society was conservative aligned, and gay people, women, etc, etc, would be oppressed.

Today, with, as you said, "radical leftism", we are starting to see the opposite, if you're a "white male" you get abuse, etc, etc.

The fact is that it's the same hatred, the same inequality. People haven't changed, they never will.

We should all be living in peace, but we're not, we're at each othe throats, and even with all of our "progress", even with all the barriers we have broken down, each new generation comes up with MORE reasons to hate and more excuses to justify that hate.

People are just bad.

Then society tell us that we are crazy and irrational to want to die?

Hell, I think it's more irrational to want to live in this world, with all this hatred.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

It used to be the case that society was conservative aligned, and gay people, women, etc, etc, would be oppressed.

Today, with, as you said, "radical leftism", we are starting to see the opposite, if you're a "white male" you get abuse, etc, etc.

What? White men don't face systematic discrimination for being white men and the majority of people in power today are white men. What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[6138]

What? White men don't face systematic discrimination for being white men and the majority of people in power today are white men. What the fuck are you talking about?

I'm talking about the normalised abuse against white people, men, cisgender people, etc, in our society.

It's not just "minorities" that are being discriminated against, not anymore.

Men, white people, etc, are *starting* to face substantial discrimination in our society, and this is becoming more and more serious. It's not as bad as it was for women and minorities, but it is getting worse and worse.

And speaking from personal experience, on social media, the level of abuse and hatred against men, white people, etc, is obscene, and radically increasing. This has a huge effect on my mental health.

The hatred works both ways, that's what I am saying.

People love to play left/right conservative/liberal, but it's all the same hatred.

People are so hypocritical, they will claim to be all about "acceptance" and "tolerance" and then show the most incredible hatred toward any group that they are not in.

 

[DTA]

I'm a white Native American, and I've experienced racism against both sides of me, most frequently for being white.
When I went to college my councilor was asking me all sorts of weird questions that didn't seem relevant to my admission at all. 'Are you single or married?' 'Do you have kids?' 'Are you gay?'
I finally asked him what was with all the personal questions and he said he needed that info to try and get me scholarships. He said, and I quote, "Single, white, heterosexual men have the most difficult time getting scholarships of all demographics."
I keep hearing about 'white privilege.' I sure as hell have never seen it. I'd like some, if they're handing it out somewhere...

 

[6138]

I finally asked him what was with all the personal questions and he said he needed that info to try and get me scholarships. He said, and I quote, "Single, white, heterosexual men have the most difficult time getting scholarships of all demographics."
I keep hearing about 'white privilege.' I sure as hell have never seen it. I'd like some, if they're handing it out somewhere...

Yeah,that's kind of what I was driving at, you put it better than I could have.

I happen to have autism, and I have had a HELL of a time in life, but noone seems to care about that. It seems that if you're not disadvantaged *in the right way* noone cares about you at all.

Every one suffers in our society, to say that, in a word, one group is "privileged" and another is "disadvantaged" is not only ignorant, it's dangerous.

We need to look beyond race, gender, sexuality, etc, it's dividing us when we should be united.

The goal should be simple:

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

If you can afford to pay more taxes, then you should. There are plenty of wealthy and powerful women, gay people, POC's, etc.

If you need more support, you should get it, even if you're "straight, cisgender, male", etc. There's plenty of homeless, suicidal men out there who need support.

 

[karakoltriste]

Here's the thing... People are bad. People in general, are bad.

The more powerful oppress the less powerful, that's how it works.

It used to be the case that society was conservative aligned, and gay people, women, etc, etc, would be oppressed.

Today, with, as you said, "radical leftism", we are starting to see the opposite, if you're a "white male" you get abuse, etc, etc.

The fact is that it's the same hatred, the same inequality. People haven't changed, they never will.

We should all be living in peace, but we're not, we're at each othe throats, and even with all of our "progress", even with all the barriers we have broken down, each new generation comes up with MORE reasons to hate and more excuses to justify that hate.

People are just bad.

Then society tell us that we are crazy and irrational to want to die?

Hell, I think it's more irrational to want to live in this world, with all this hatred.

This is shocking.
How dare you say a white man suffers discrimination? The number of incels on this forum truly amazes me...
"People are just bad" yeah what a great critical analysis, I'm sure the system has nothing to do with this!

 

[6138]

This is shocking.
How dare you say a white man suffers discrimination? The number of incels on this forum truly amazes me...
"People are just bad" yeah what a great critical analysis, I'm sure the system has nothing to do with this!

I assume you are being sarcastic, right?

Assuming you're not... That's an extremely ignorant and ignorant and offensive response.

I have suffered discrimination myself. Are you seriously trying to deny me my own experiences, and then attack me and act as if I'm the bad guy?

White men *do* suffer discrimination. Maybe not to the same extent or the same way, but they do.

I'm not an "incel", I don't know where you got that from? You can't just lash out with insults when people disagree with you.

I didn't say the "system" has nothing to do with it, I just think that people in general are selfish and self serving, it's got little to do with race, gender, etc, it's about power and the desire of people to possess that power.

I really hope you're being sarcastic, I can't believe anyone would be foolish enough to deny that is men and white people can suffer discrimination?? I mean really?

 

[karakoltriste]

I assume you are being sarcastic, right?

Assuming you're not... That's an extremely ignorant and ignorant and offensive response.

I have suffered discrimination myself. Are you seriously trying to deny me my own experiences, and then attack me and act as if I'm the bad guy?

White men *do* suffer discrimination. Maybe not to the same extent or the same way, but they do.

I'm not an "incel", I don't know where you got that from? You can't just lash out with insults when people disagree with you.

I didn't say the "system" has nothing to do with it, I just think that people in general are selfish and self serving, it's got little to do with race, gender, etc, it's about power and the desire of people to possess that power.

I really hope you're being sarcastic, I can't believe anyone would be foolish enough to deny that is men and white people can suffer discrimination?? I mean really?

You don't suffer discrimination *for* being a man or white, you suffer it for something else. Your entire post is attacking. Crying about "more and more discrimination against white men" is attacking, victim-like, and unrealistic. I agree with what you say about power, but that's also something caused by the system itself; it's not something like "humans are bad by nature" and obviously rich, white people and men do it more

 

[Endofpain]

Woke mind virus it is called. imo it is no coincidence that most people on this forum (a cbt forum) are leftists. That shows you how healthy this ideology really is.

 

[6138]

You don't suffer discrimination *for* being a man or white, you suffer it for something else. Your entire post is attacking. Crying about "more and more discrimination against white men" is attacking, victim-like, and unrealistic. I agree with what you say about power, but that's also something caused by the system itself; it's not something like "humans are bad by nature" and obviously rich, white people and men do it more

Umm, really? How do you know? You are assuming a lot, and you know quite little I'm afraid.

I mean you literally said this:
"How dare you say a white man suffers discrimination? The number of incels on this forum truly amazes me..."

Do you have any idea how offensive and ignorant that is?? I'm trying to be polite, but seriously, that makes me so angry, you have no idea what I've been through, and you're telling me I'm an "incel" because I am complaining about discrimination? I was hoping I had just picked you up wrong, but I guess not, that's a shame.

I have been told that because I am a man that my trauma didn't exist. When I said that I was suicidal as a result of my (apparently non existent trauma) they told me they were glad.

I have been accused of horrible things that I won't even repeat here because I was a man.

"Crying about "more and more discrimination against white men" is attacking, victim-like, and unrealistic."

How is complaining about discrimination "attacking"? It's completely the opposite of that? It is not at all unrealistic or "victim like". I know what I went through, you don't have a right to try to take that away because it doesn't suit you.

"and obviously rich, white people and men do it more"

Maybe they do it more, statistically, but all people with power do it. It's just that up until recently most people with power were men/white people, etc. That's not always true anymore.

Woke mind virus it is called. imo it is no coincidence that most people on this forum (a cbt forum) are leftists. That shows you how healthy this ideology really is.

True, I think.

I am also left leaning, (Ie, progressive, liberal minded), but I can't stand all this toxic "woke" nonsense.

 

[karakoltriste]

Woke mind virus it is called. imo it is no coincidence that most people on this forum (a cbt forum) are leftists. That shows you how healthy this ideology really is.

Your virus is that you don't see what's happening in the world, from your privileged position. Part of why I want CTB is precisely because I know how the world really works. Yes, that's true, but it's not the fault of the "radical left," but rather the murderous right. Perhaps you're better off this way, living in a different world and using the word "woke" for everything. I'm even a little envious of you, because sometimes I wish I were ignorant.

 

[6138]

Your virus is that you don't see what's happening in the world, from your privileged position. Part of why I want CTB is precisely because I know how the world really works. Yes, that's true, but it's not the fault of the "radical left," but rather the murderous right. Perhaps you're better off this way, living in a different world and using the word "woke" for everything. I'm even a little envious of you, because sometimes I wish I were ignorant.

Again, you're showing your ignorance. How do you know they, or I, are privileged? We are here on a suicide forum, does that not indicate that maybe we are all struggling?

You have the nerve to call people "ignorant". when you are the only ignorant one here. Just read your posts, calling people "incels" and telling them they are privileged and can't suffer discriminaation when you don't know one thing about them. That is the definition of ignorant!

I would suspect I have been through worse than you have. I don't know that, because I'm not the kind of person to make assumptions about you, but I have been through worse than most people. You have no right to assume I am "privileged" because of my gender and my race, that's called predjudice. Literally. To pre judge someone? That's a bad thing, you shouldn't do that. You are displaying shocking ignorance here, and this is actually one of the first experiences like this that I have had on this site. I was hoping this place wasn't like that, but I guess that was too much to hope for.

because sometimes I wish I were ignorant.

Well, I got good news for you!

I hope that someday you learn a little more about the world, you don't know nearly as much as you think.

 

[Endofpain]

Your virus is that you don't see what's happening in the world, from your privileged position. Part of why I want CTB is precisely because I know how the world really works. Yes, that's true, but it's not the fault of the "radical left," but rather the murderous right. Perhaps you're better off this way, living in a different world and using the word "woke" for everything. I'm even a little envious of you, because sometimes I wish I were ignorant.

Sounds like one of them is "triggered". I would love to see how I am 'privileged' in any way.

You literally say that I am ignorant and you know how the whole world works.
Thats woke in a nutshell.

 

[getoutgirl]

Woke mind virus it is called. imo it is no coincidence that most people on this forum (a cbt forum) are leftists. That shows you how healthy this ideology really is.

take of the century my dude. This is a suicide forum to engage in meaningful discussions of suicide that are taboo out there or barely understood. There is a lot of stigma and ignorance surrounding it and if you are here you should know you are part of that group that's affected by it.
Being in a suicide forum and suicidal in a world that refuses to understand us, and yet pointing to the other ppl in that forum saying "these mfers be crazy" shows a extreme lack of awareness.
One would expect the tiniest bit more of understanding of suicidality from anyone in here.
It's convenient causation, and easier to think you political opponents are just crazy. But take the problem for what it is and don't repeat the kind of rethoric that's used to distort and invalidate anyone's real struggles here. cos that will turn on you in another shape, because it's easy to do so for others.

I've never seen anyone being convinced of anything in an internet debate. Never. Specially if they are confrontational like these.
So me just saying "that take is dumb you should look into it" won't make you do anything about it. I know.
so I'm not asking you to change your mind politically or whatever that ain't happening here, but be mindful of this, if you can.

also if you wanna have a laugh check out the conservapedia article on why homosexuality is unhealthy because it makes homosexuals kill themselves for whatever reason https://www.conservapedia.com/Mental_Health_and_Homosexuality
and another one with similar arguments https://www.conservapedia.com/Suicide
we are not too far from these talking points is all I'm saying, and suicide shouldn't mix with dumb shit like these imo

 

[6138]

take of the century my dude. This is a suicide forum to engage in meaningful discussions of suicide that are taboo out there or barely understood. There is a lot of stigma and ignorance surrounding it and if you are here you should know you are part of that group that's affected by it.
Being in a suicide forum and suicidal in a world that refuses to understand us, and yet pointing to the other ppl in that forum saying "these mfers be crazy" shows a extreme lack of awareness.

Exactly. That's what I was trying to say. To call someone "privileged" on a suicide forum is... Is just a level of ignorance that I really didn't expect to see.

I don't mean to call people ignorant as an insult, either. Ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing.

I am just shocked at dismayed that someone would do that on a forum like this, it's really sad. I mean the interaction was still a lot better than on reddit (I only got called an incel once, that's a plus!) but it's still disappointing.

 

[getoutgirl]

I don't think either of you got what I was saying tho, I was calling YOU out... : I
oh well I guess...

 

[Hvergelmir]

I know how the world really works.

Most likely not. The world is a very big, complex, and diverse place.

Building a prosperous society is hard!
To think that a single thing is preventing the crowd of average people from building it, is inaccurate.

Where leftists have managed to remove capitalists, they have mostly failed to create prosperity.
Same story when the Reich removed the people supposedly holding them back.
In parts of Africa, white farmers were removed.
In parts of the Middle East, infidels were removed.

It's quite easy to present the creation of prosperity as something natural; something that would occur naturally if X hadn't prevented it.
This idea is wrong.

Most systems allow its members to create local hotspots of prosperity, if they know how and are willing to do it themselves.
There are communist communes in the U.S., and there are capitalist ventures in China.

 

[6138]

I don't think either of you got what I was saying tho, I was calling YOU out... : I
oh well I guess...

You mean calling me out? Why? I wasn't the one being ignorant, in fairness?

 

[lemonandcapers]

I understand, but I blame capitalism for all of this. Sometimes I wish I hadn't started this, being a "normie" who isn't involved in politics...
I'm overwhelmed by all the suffering now, and terrified of the suffering of the future. A lot.
Either I try to fight to change it one more time, or I'll kill myself soon.

You get it. It is overwhelming to see the suffering around me. I acknowledge my privilege in being able to say this and to be spared some of the wrath of the world. However, the fact that there is this much bad in the world can be overwhelming sometimes.

Also, in response to the discussion in the comments, measures such as affirmative action are meant to correct years of systemic bias against minorities. Minorities have been systemically excluded from things such as scholarships, so this is an attempt to correct that.

Also, if it makes me a "snowflake" or "woke" to have empathy for those around me, so be it

 

[6138]

Also, if it makes me a "snowflake" or "woke" to have empathy for those around me, so be it

That's not what "woke" is, noone said that.

"Woke" is more what the person above was saying, that if you're a "white male" you can't possibly suffer from discrimination, etc, etc. It's got nothing to do with showing empathy for people or caring about minorities.

 

[Dot]

Ppl of all grps gendrs & demgraphcs hve thr own issus & frstratns & imo = nt helpfl t/ b laghng @ ppl & mockng thm & attckng thm fr voicng thr xperncs

Frum = spposd 2 b a plce of respctfl dscussn & cnsidratn tht ppl on frum all wn2 kll thmslves fr sme reasn or anothr s/ makng assumptns abt ppl wth dffrnt xprrncs ds nt hlp

 

[6138]

Ppl of all grps gendrs & demgraphcs hve thr own issus & frstratns & imo = nt helpfl t/ b laghng @ ppl & mockng thm & attckng thm fr voicng thr xperncs

Frum = spposd 2 b a plce of respctfl dscussn & cnsidratn tht ppl on frum all wn2 kll thmslves fr sme reasn or anothr s/ makng assumptns abt ppl wth dffrnt xprrncs ds nt hlp

Thank you.

 

[DTA]

@getoutgirl is right. These issues are similar to the topic of life after death; if ANYONE had the answer then the debate would not still be raging.

What we have here at SaSu is something special. A community for people who are suffering where we are actually understood. There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate, but we should all mind our tempers so we don't turn this forum into something else. We are stronger united, so to speak.

 

[DivineSpark]

Say that Trump has done some good things and you get viciously attacked on SASU. This is why I dont talk about politics on sasu. Only gets me banned fast.

That's not what "woke" is, noone said that.

"Woke" is more what the person above was saying, that if you're a "white male" you can't possibly suffer from discrimination, etc, etc. It's got nothing to do with showing empathy for people or caring about minorities.

You are right.

 

[karakoltriste]

Exactly. That's what I was trying to say. To call someone "privileged" on a suicide forum is... Is just a level of ignorance that I really didn't expect to see.

I don't mean to call people ignorant as an insult, either. Ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing.

I am just shocked at dismayed that someone would do that on a forum like this, it's really sad. I mean the interaction was still a lot better than on reddit (I only got called an incel once, that's a plus!) but it's still disappointing.

Okay, you're right here too: I shouldn't have called them privileges; I think it would be something more like "accommodations." I can't claim that someone belonging to the working class is privileged, that's true. I'm also sorry for calling you an "incel" without proof. I was sensitive. Anyway, I still think you should be more careful about coming to posts about minority people and saying, "I'm also discriminated against for being a man." Okay, patriarchy affects you too, I know that and I don't doubt it. I didn't mean to question your traumas, but you can't deny that some oppressions or discriminations are systemic. I think you have a lot to examine and learn.

Again, I'm sorry for being rude; it's a very complicated topic, and as I said, it's one of the reasons I think about CTB. I'll try not to respond anymore; I have to learn not to argue with right-wing people, as it's not healthy for me.

Have a nice day.

That's not what "woke" is, noone said that.

"Woke" is more what the person above was saying, that if you're a "white male" you can't possibly suffer from discrimination, etc, etc. It's got nothing to do with showing empathy for people or caring about minorities.

Yes, they did

You get it. It is overwhelming to see the suffering around me. I acknowledge my privilege in being able to say this and to be spared some of the wrath of the world. However, the fact that there is this much bad in the world can be overwhelming sometimes.

Also, in response to the discussion in the comments, measures such as affirmative action are meant to correct years of systemic bias against minorities. Minorities have been systemically excluded from things such as scholarships, so this is an attempt to correct that.

Also, if it makes me a "snowflake" or "woke" to have empathy for those around me, so be it

Thank you VERY much <3 you're right I couldn't explain it better

 

[getoutgirl]

Look idk if people talk politics in here, it's the internet, it is bound, whatevs.
What I don't like is when they bring shitty politics into the topic of suicide. It's not a don't touch that topic with politics, it can be adressed through that lense, should in some aspects, like the discussion that started this thread is very valid and tied to it.
But I don't like it used as a political tool or argument, like that one post I quoted, saying these people I don't like are killing themselves and thus crazy and thus bad. Fuck that, 1. that's all round wrong, duh, and 2. we should be considerate with eachother here as a basis for everything. Which I'm glad is the general stance.
that's all I was saying, I really dislike that argument in general and that way of discussing this.
That's my 2 cents. K bye