Questions about Pentobarbital and stomach pain.

[Releasefrompressure]

Hello long time lurker. Probably going to be my only post.

I live in Peru and I have bought Pentobarbital locally. I am lucky it was very cheap here. (less than $50 dollars in USA money for 3 bottles)


My question is. I have Esophageal Cancer, my stomach is always causing me issues. I have extreme sensitivity in this region.

I can get proton pump inhibitors and drain all the acid out, but i am not sure if this is needed for Nembutal.

My main worry is I drink it and I am in SHEER Agony for couple of minuets before passing out.


When i drink any alch (Pentobarbital vet liquid has ethanol in i think) I am in so much pain it is like being stabbed over and over again.

I think Nembutal will cause me SIGNIFICANT Issues. I am always coughing after non water liquid ingested too.

I don't want to be gasping for water and stressed out as my wife is going to be with me at the time and it will distress her.

Do I just put up with the pain for a couple of moments or is there anyway I can make the risk of pain less.

I know this won't be pain for anyone but I am really scared of how bad the stomach pain will be.

 

[quix77]

Is there any way you can get someone with medical knowledge (nurse, paramedic) to hook you up with an IV?

One thing to keep in mind is vet nembutal has very little ethanol (10%). So - it would be more like a strong beer or wine than drinking a shot of whiskey neat.

Ive sampled my N and while i did taste the alcohol, there was no burn to it like when i sip whiskey.

Also - i just posted in another thread about rectal administration of N.

I have not found any information about it. But people do ingest alcohol rectally.

Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/alcohol/alcohol-enema#risks

 

[Releasefrompressure]

Is there any way you can get someone with medical knowledge (nurse, paramedic) to hook you up with an IV?

One thing to keep in mind is vet nembutal has very little ethanol (10%). So - it would be more like a strong beer or wine than drinking a shot of whiskey neat.

Ive sampled my N and while i did taste the alcohol, there was no burn to it like when i sip whiskey.

Also - i just posted in another thread about rectal administration of N.

I have not found any information about it. But people do ingest alcohol rectally.

Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/alcohol/alcohol-enema#risks

I am not sure I want to do rectal administration in front of my wife. Part of me dying now is to have dignity. The IV situation i have thought about personally too, but I have no knowledge and setting it up as a beginner is actually harder than you think.

Won't be able to get a professional.

People here do not know anything about suicide from Nembutal in my opinion. I just walked into a vet and bought it without issue or questions, the people here are simple and nice. Halaatal is what it is called

 

[Smart No More]

Bless you. Must be a hellish time for right now. I can relate to some extent.

Rectal administration of the necessary amount of veterinary nembutal is fraught with issues. I wouldn't recommend it.

IV is possible but requires some assistance and planning. Also be aware of high riak of necrosis if any of it escaped from the needle outside the vein. Obviously this is minor concern if planning on catching the bus but still noteworthy. An IV drip oe pump would be needed as its important to avoid blocking the line when you pass out. Doing it manually is impossible as it's such a lot of liquid. One would pass out. The necessary dose is significantly lower with IV however.

Metoclopramide mide help with the atomach issues. I too have significant stomach issues but nothing compared to OP. Symptoms have been similar though for sure. I haven't personally tried metoclopramide but it's the go to anti emetic for use with N. Significantly side effect are a possibility though and some further research into anti emetics would be prudent.

I once believed the use of proton pump inhibitors would be beneficial when using N until somebody corrected me and pointed out that N is a weak acid and its uptake will be slowed by a lack of stomach acid. Therefore its probably best not to entirely void your stomach of acid if you can avoid it.

One thing that would be beneficial in what to expect is to do a taste test and if possible anti emetic test.

There is a video of a man that had assisted dying at home with his family. He had cancer and I forget exactly whether it was stomach or throat. My instict is that it was one of the two. Maybe if anyone is reading this and knows which video I'm referring to they could post a link.

Vineo is a decent place to search for assisted dying videos. YouTube has some but they come and go due to stringent rules.

 

[Releasefrompressure]

Bless you. Must be a hellish time for right now. I can relate to some extent.

Rectal administration of the necessary amount of veterinary nembutal is fraught with issues. I wouldn't recommend it.

IV is possible but requires some assistance and planning. Also be aware of high riak of necrosis if any of it escaped from the needle outside the vein. Obviously this is minor concern if planning on catching the bus but still noteworthy. An IV drip oe pump would be needed as its important to avoid blocking the line when you pass out. Doing it manually is impossible as it's such a lot of liquid. One would pass out. The necessary dose is significantly lower with IV however.

Metoclopramide mide help with the atomach issues. I too have significant stomach issues but nothing compared to OP. Symptoms have been similar though for sure. I haven't personally tried metoclopramide but it's the go to anti emetic for use with N. Significantly side effect are a possibility though and some further research into anti emetics would be prudent.

I once believed the use of proton pump inhibitors would be beneficial when using N until somebody corrected me and pointed out that N is a weak acid and its uptake will be slowed by a lack of stomach acid. Therefore its probably best not to entirely void your stomach of acid if you can avoid it.

One thing that would be beneficial in what to expect is to do a taste test and if possible anti emetic test.

There is a video of a man that had assisted dying at home with his family. He had cancer and I forget exactly whether it was stomach or throat. My instict is that it was one of the two. Maybe if anyone is reading this and knows which video I'm referring to they could post a link.

Vineo is a decent place to search for assisted dying videos. YouTube has some but they come and go due to stringent rules.

Thank you very much for kind comments and insightful analysis.

The man with cancer is Peter Smedley i have watched that video. I really seen similarities in myself to him, that is why i was bit worried about gasping for water. I cough very very easily.

I am greatfull about your comments on PPI. I was going to wing it and go for it but now i will reconsider.

An anti vomiting drug is what i was going to take anyway but my concern was about the reaction about stomach pain.

I wanted to take lots of antacids but now with your view on PPI the same logic should apply and i should go without ..

Nembutal should be so peaceful but i am very worried about the issues around stomach. i could take the pain but my wife would be with me, i dont want her to see me really freaking out before i passout i dont want to see that look on her face as last thing i see.
I am 100 percent dying though I am going to use Nembutal just gotta do bit of research into figuring out best way. I have no option I have already discussed dying with my wife and we're in agreement it is the best option. I have no doubts about this either

 

[surface2007]

There is : Ondansetron / Zophren // "Zophren® is a medication recommended for the prevention of nausea and vomiting from chemotherapy or radiation therapy. The drug is available as an injectable solution, tablet or syrup for children."

 

[giffel]

Hello long time lurker. Probably going to be my only post.

I live in Peru and I have bought Pentobarbital locally. I am lucky it was very cheap here. (less than $50 dollars in USA money for 3 bottles)


My question is. I have Esophageal Cancer, my stomach is always causing me issues. I have extreme sensitivity in this region.

I can get proton pump inhibitors and drain all the acid out, but i am not sure if this is needed for Nembutal.

My main worry is I drink it and I am in SHEER Agony for couple of minuets before passing out.


When i drink any alch (Pentobarbital vet liquid has ethanol in i think) I am in so much pain it is like being stabbed over and over again.

I think Nembutal will cause me SIGNIFICANT Issues. I am always coughing after non water liquid ingested too.

I don't want to be gasping for water and stressed out as my wife is going to be with me at the time and it will distress her.

Do I just put up with the pain for a couple of moments or is there anyway I can make the risk of pain less.

I know this won't be pain for anyone but I am really scared of how bad the stomach pain will be.

Time a OxyContin with the N

 

[Releasefrompressure]

There is : Ondansetron / Zophren // "Zophren® is a medication recommended for the prevention of nausea and vomiting from chemotherapy or radiation therapy. The drug is available as an injectable solution, tablet or syrup for children.

My english is not great sorry. I am not worried about any vomiting I am worried about extreme pain hitting me the second I drink the liquid as there is Ethyl Alcohol in the nembutal and this will burn my insides

Time a OxyContin with the N

Would I fall asleep quicker or even fall asleep mid drinking? I am on Morphine already though so i would have to have a high dose I presume.

 

[surface2007]

Mine is not great too ... i'm so sorry i don't what you can do for not suffering. I had belived you have fear of suffering and vomiting (i have issue with digestion nothing compare too you but i understand that's you worries) i hope other members will come help you with more helpfull advices that mine !

 

[Releasefrompressure]

Mine is not great too ... i'm so sorry i don't what you can do for not suffering. I had belived you have fear of suffering and vomiting (i have issue with digestion nothing compare too you but i understand that's you worries) i hope other members will come help you with more helpfull advices that mine !

It's okay thanks anyway I would look into the Anti vommiting drug you recomennded anyway this is fine with me because i need this anyway i was going to get sea sickness drugs.


Maybe i am just being too picky. I do not want my wife to see me hurt inside though when the liquid hits . I can take the pain for 5-10 minuet but the issue is i know how sensative i am to liquid espcially ethinal..

 

[surface2007]

You're not too "picky" what you're going through and real hard you're brave to have to face this shitty disease and now to make the decision so hard to leave. Reading this is not possible for me it's normal not to want to suffer anymore, it's legitimate. Anyone who tells you otherwise without going through the hardships you've endured should think about it. Members may have ideas there are a lot of sick people here, from what I understand. Making your last moment as smooth and dignified as possible is a legitimate and healthy will.

 

[giffel]

My english is not great sorry. I am not worried about any vomiting I am worried about extreme pain hitting me the second I drink the liquid as there is Ethyl Alcohol in the nembutal and this will burn my insides

Would I fall asleep quicker or even fall asleep mid drinking? I am on Morphine already though so i would have to have a high dose I presume.

Like I said you have to time it.
You'd have to go with about 80 mg or40

 

[Smart No More]

The video I was referring to is actually a different one to Peter Smedley. It's a video about a terminally ill american man and he dies at home. I believe it is however in the same documentary that thw Peter Smedley video was taken from.

Opiates and opioids are marked as a concern in guidelines surrounding assisted dying with the use of N. The main reason is that they slow gasteic transit. Metoclopramide speeds gasteic transit and might be worth serious consideration for people in this situation. I too fear the side effects but I think the least of the worry on that front is stomach discomfort as they're designed to help with that as far as I understand it. Unfortunately it's a case of trying it to find out.

 

[Releasefrompressure]

The video I was referring to is actually a different one to Peter Smedley. It's a video about a terminally ill american man and he dies at home. I believe it is however in the same documentary that thw Peter Smedley video was taken from.

Opiates and opioids are marked as a concern in guidelines surrounding assisted dying with the use of N. The main reason is that they slow gasteic transit. Metoclopramide speeds gasteic transit and might be worth serious consideration for people in this situation. I too fear the side effects but I think the least of the worry on that front is stomach discomfort as they're designed to help with that as far as I understand it. Unfortunately it's a case of trying it to find out.

Ah I know what video you're refrencing yes. I am not as sick as him . He managed it so I guess I got to solider it out. I actually may show my wife these videos as pre-emtive

 

[quix77]

My english is not great sorry. I am not worried about any vomiting I am worried about extreme pain hitting me the second I drink the liquid as there is Ethyl Alcohol in the nembutal and this will burn my insides

Would I fall asleep quicker or even fall asleep mid drinking? I am on Morphine already though so i would have to have a high dose I presume.

If you have access to Morphine - is there any way you can arrange for an overdose on it? You wont have to worry about the N then.

My mom had cancer and it had metastasized. She refused treatment and chose palliative care. And as part of that she was on a regimen of morphine and fentanyl patches.

I believe toward the end her doctor or nurse increased her dosage so that she could slip away in peace.

This was in India. I wont say where or who was treating her.

I have no idea about dosages or protoccols, but perhaps some one here with medical expertise can help?

 

[Smart No More]

If you have access to Morphine - is there any way you can arrange for an overdose on it? You wont have to worry about the N then.

My mom had cancer and it had metastasized. She refused treatment and chose palliative care. And as part of that she was on a regimen of morphine and fentanyl patches.

I believe toward the end her doctor or nurse increased her dosage so that she could slip away in peace.

This was in India. I wont say where or who was treating her.

I have no idea about dosages or protoccols, but perhaps some one here with medical expertise can help?

This is relatively common in palliative care. It's a kind of grey area where the doctor can create a buffer of deniability whilst ultimately allowing a oerson to pass sooner than nature may take them. There are some issues however. It's a somewhat slow process and isn't particularly nice for the patient. It's an overdose in slow motion so to speak. Ideally it would be better if the patient were able to get access to a large single dose of the opiate and go more quickly. It would also need to be the case that nobody would find them and bring them round as there's a commonly caried shot that will do so. It's even supplied to addicts free of charge by various addiction services.


This could be achieved but it would take some planning on the part of the patient and loved ones. Mostly to ensure those left behind can't be inplicated and charged. That's a horrible reality in more cases than I'd like to acknowledge.

 

[quix77]

This is relatively common in palliative care. It's a kind of grey area where the doctor can create a buffer of deniability whilst ultimately allowing a oerson to pass sooner than nature may take them. There are some issues however. It's a somewhat slow process and isn't particularly nice for the patient. It's an overdose in slow motion so to speak. Ideally it would be better if the patient were able to get access to a large single dose of the opiate and go more quickly. It would also need to be the case that nobody would find them and bring them round as there's a commonly caried shot that will do so. It's even supplied to addicts free of charge by various addiction services.


This could be achieved but it would take some planning on the part of the patient and loved ones. Mostly to ensure those left behind can't be inplicated and charged. That's a horrible reality in more cases than I'd like to acknowledge.

Sad, but true. Thats why I dont want to mention the hospital. I really dont want them to get in trouble.

I really wish she could have been eased sooner, but the laws in india are crazy strict. The hospital, the doctors and the nurses would all have gotten in trouble. And thats apart from the press.

If you are rich - you can get away with killing someone in cold blood or rape or literal enslavement. But if you are a compassionate caregiver who tries to ease someone's suffering - woe betide you.

 

[Smart No More]

Yeah. The care system is a mess. It's a business first and foremost and regulations are followed regardless of the patients wellbeing as a result. In some countries you aren't allowed to pull a patient out of their home in a house fire because doing so is assault due to the way you would have to touch and lift them. The rules are that you exit the home and call emergency services and just hope that they arrive before the patient is injured. Its disgusting because what carer would actually follow that rule?! Though if they do pull them from the burning building and save their lives there's a very real possibility they lose their job and end up on charges. Seems like the elderly, sick and/or mentally ill are treated with half the consideration of a young healthy person. It's almost like they don't really exist in the reality of the well. Just a minor inconvenience to be handled with thw keast amount of effort or care. Ironically its where every single one of us is hurtling towards and soon as realisation sets in its too late and no one will hear your pleas for genuine consideration and care. Very alienating on top of all the suffering.

 

[Releasefrompressure]

If you have access to Morphine - is there any way you can arrange for an overdose on it? You wont have to worry about the N then.

My mom had cancer and it had metastasized. She refused treatment and chose palliative care. And as part of that she was on a regimen of morphine and fentanyl patches.

I believe toward the end her doctor or nurse increased her dosage so that she could slip away in peace.

This was in India. I wont say where or who was treating her.

I have no idea about dosages or protoccols, but perhaps some one here with medical expertise can help?

Yes I can get a lot of Morphine without any problems. The issue is finding the dose that will kill me . I take liquid morphine it is weird i could get enough to die and it would be peaceful but I really dont want to wakeup in a coma or something ghastly. I know Nembutal will the job with ten grams, morphine i have no idea with my tolerence etc