Discussion Question for women

[charlottewilts]

So I have an offer right now to do sex work with a pimp. Since I'm a heroin addict I could really use the money. What do y'all think?

 

[summers]

@charlottewilts If you aren't already suicidal, selling yourself sure will get you there a lot faster. If you're planning on fucking your pimp and these guys raw, you're going to be a human petri dish. I won't post the pics, but certain types of HPV gives genital warts that make it look like cauliflower is growing out of your pussy. Also, good chance of you getting raped.

The decision is yours to make - but while the money may seem easy, there is usually a very steep price to pay.

I usually wouldn't recommend you do something illegal, but couldn't you just sell drugs and make money that way?

 

[charlottewilts]

@charlottewilts If you aren't already suicidal, selling yourself sure will get you there a lot faster. If you're planning on fucking your pimp and these guys raw, you're going to be a human petri dish. I won't post the pics, but certain types of HPV gives genital warts that make it look like cauliflower is growing out of your pussy. Also, good chance of you getting raped.

The decision is yours to make - but while the money may seem easy, there is usually a very steep price to pay.

I usually wouldn't recommend you do something illegal, but couldn't you just sell drugs and make money that way?

Oh no don't worry, there's no money in the world someone could pay me to do it raw. I have a huge phobia of pregnancy. As for diseases, as an IV user of heroin i probably already have Hep C, i need to go get myself tested soon. I did deal for a bit but you need to have lots of acquaintances to be successful at it, and there's a very small profit margin. Still, thank you for the thoughtful comment!

 

[summers]

Oh no don't worry, there's no money in the world someone could pay me to do it raw. I have a huge phobia of pregnancy. As for diseases, as an IV user of heroin i probably already have Hep C, i need to go get myself tested soon. I did deal for a bit but you need to have lots of acquaintances to be successful at it, and there's a very small profit margin. Still, thank you for the thoughtful comment!

A box of 100 insulin syringes is like $15 on Amazon - why are you sharing or reusing needles? I think there are also free needle programs in most cities. Also, isn't birth control free through planned parenthood. You could be on the pill and not have to worry about pregnancy or getting a regular period.

Definitely please keep using condoms and be as safe as possible. Just saying there are a bunch of free resources - may as well take advantage of them.

I am so sorry H got you. That shit is just evil. Someone very close to me was addicted for a long time, and it really destroyed her life. I've seen it ruin and kill so many people - I truly hope somehow you can get out of that trap.

 

[Sherri]

Personally Never. But do not condemn the women who do.

 

[noname223]

I am not a woman. But my opinion is sex work can be dangerous. But if I had to do it I would rather make me an onlyfans account. There is no risk for violence and I have heard many prostitutes prefer it for that reason.
But in general I would also not recommend that.

 

[Somber]

As I understand it, H is highly addictive, so it would not be a good idea to encourage that habbit in any possible way.

That being said, there is nothing morally wrong with prostitution, but do it on your own terms. You don't need anyone dictating who you should have sex with. There are plenty of ways to advertise your services that don't require pimps. Make sure someone you trust knows where you are at all times.

 

[OrcWitch]

If I had to do sex work I would. It's usually out of necessity and lack of other options. I knew a woman who worked a second job prostituting.

I'm sorry you're in that position. Life is rough. Stay safe and I hope that pimp isn't abusive to you.

 

[motel rooms]

I would rather make me an onlyfans account. There is no risk for violence and I have heard many prostitutes prefer it for that reason.

Yeah, I'm sure that they make shitloads of money. It's impossible to stand out on OnlyFans if you're unable to promote your account effectively.

 

[noaccount]

I'm sorry that people have been posting misinformation about sex workers here - who are actually less likely to spread STDs than the general population.

Good luck to you, no judgement here, there are many chapters of SWOP around the country (for instance - New York, but try googling your location also) that have safety and harm-reduction resources

Health & Safety — SWOP Brooklyn

www.swopbrooklyn.org

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

Please don't. I hope you can focus on getting clean, instead. Heroin is so addictive that you need to fuel its use no matter what, and prostitution is only going to get you further down a very negative spiral. Tackle the root of your problem if you are at all able (drugs).

 

[summers]

Yeah, I'm sure that they make shitloads of money. It's impossible to stand out on OnlyFans if you're unable to promote your account effectively.

People use only fans as a way to advertise for escorting. That what "Collab" means. Still, no one will find you without a decent Twitter following.

 

[noaccount]

Please don't. I hope you can focus on getting clean, instead. Heroin is so addictive that you need to fuel its use no matter what, and prostitution is only going to get you further down a very negative spiral. Tackle the root of your problem if you are at all able (drugs).

Hey this is a huge case on unfounded assumptions here. You don't actually know that sex work will worsen a 'negative spiral' for any individual, if that was your experience you can say "sex work lead ME into a negative spiral." Also lots of people need opiates for pain management and are harmed by them being criminalized, and even for people whose use is hurting them, it can't be assumed to be the "root" of their problems, like self-medicating is one way among many to *deal with* pre-existing problems.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

Hey this is a huge case on unfounded assumptions here. You don't actually know that sex work will worsen a 'negative spiral' for any individual, if that was your experience you can say "sex work lead ME into a negative spiral." Also lots of people need opiates for pain management and are harmed by them being criminalized, and even for people whose use is hurting them, it can't be assumed to be the "root" of their problems, like self-medicating is one way among many to *deal with* pre-existing problems.

You're right, I don't know how I could have imagined a heroin addiction and prostitution under the rule of a pimp as anything other than innocuous. Please excuse my careless post.

 

[noaccount]

Hi @Angst Filled Fuck Up - I do not feel like excusing your post, actually. You're perfectly capable of reading what I actually wrote -
1. That it's wrong to assume sex work will make things worse for any individual
2. That many opiate users are harmed by criminalization more than by the drugs themselves - both users whose drug-use is useful as self-medication AND users whose use is harming them,
3. Drug dependency even when harmful cannot be assumed to be the "ROOT" of anyone's suffering or hardship.
Stop sealioning. It isn't "careless," it's harmful.
This is a pro-choice site. We don't push unsolicited advice here, prophecize at other people about how their lives will go, or position ourselves as the experts on their lives.

@demuic and @NumbItAll - You are also contributing to a harmful environment by mocking and laughing at someone who came here looking for non-judgemental harm-reduction-oriented feedback.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

Hi @Angst Filled Fuck Up - I do not feel like excusing your post, actually. You're perfectly capable of reading what I actually wrote -
1. That it's wrong to assume sex work will make things worse for any individual
2. That many opiate users are harmed by criminalization more than by the drugs themselves - both users whose drug-use is useful as self-medication AND users whose use is harming them,
3. Drug dependency even when harmful cannot be assumed to be the "ROOT" of anyone's suffering or hardship.
Stop sealioning. It isn't "careless," it's harmful.
This is a pro-choice site. We don't push unsolicited advice here, prophecize at other people about how their lives will go, or position ourselves as the experts on their lives.

@demuic and @NumbItAll - You are also contributing to a harmful environment by mocking and laughing at someone who came here looking for non-judgemental harm-reduction-oriented feedback.

But I admit that it was unreasonable of me to think being pimped out to fuel a heroin addiction was no bueno. I also regret telling her to get help when sticking with drugs is the answer. I don't know what sealioning is but I will cop to it too I guess.

 

[summers]

Hey this is a huge case on unfounded assumptions here. You don't actually know that sex work will worsen a 'negative spiral' for any individual, if that was your experience you can say "sex work lead ME into a negative spiral." Also lots of people need opiates for pain management and are harmed by them being criminalized, and even for people whose use is hurting them, it can't be assumed to be the "root" of their problems, like self-medicating is one way among many to *deal with* pre-existing problems.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume certain types of sex work can lead to further depression. Maybe not for you, and that's great. I've been around plenty of people (both males and females) who hooked for drugs, and they all hated the experience - they just hated the withdrawals more. No one wants to sell themselves. It's not glamorous or fun. What @charlottewilts is planning on doing is far from the ss members who are sugar babies, or people who do live collabs on only fans.

I think you're missing the point of addiction - you become dependent on the drug to function at any level. I grew up around heroin addiction - literally seeing people shoot up right in front as long as I can remember. Typically, something caused a person to become an addict, but at a certain point, yes, the addiction itself becomes a root problem in someones life. It determines everything they do.

This isn't a criticism of anyone who is suffering from addiction, nor anyone who uses opioids for pain management. But the reality of the op's situation isn't something she wants. And all some of us are saying is we hope she can break the cycle. Nothing negative here.

 

[noaccount]

@threesummers - You do not get to project these assumptions onto others, however. No, I am not "missing the point" of addiction - it stems from unmet needs, traumas, and mistreatment, and it's grossly misguided to assume it's the "cause" of anyone's suffering, everyone knows their own life best and you don't get to decide that for them. Go read In The Realm Of The Hungry Ghosts or some shit, god damn, and in the meantime stop your odious condescending savior-ism.

PS - Sex workers don't "sell themselves," they sell their labor.

 

[Incognito?]

So I have an offer right now to do sex work with a pimp. Since I'm a heroin addict I could really use the money. What do y'all think?

I know, it sounds too easy, but try to get clean, so you need not to prostitute or even to think about these questions. I whish you the best.

 

[charlottewilts]

A box of 100 insulin syringes is like $15 on Amazon - why are you sharing or reusing needles? I think there are also free needle programs in most cities. Also, isn't birth control free through planned parenthood. You could be on the pill and not have to worry about pregnancy or getting a regular period.

Definitely please keep using condoms and be as safe as possible. Just saying there are a bunch of free resources - may as well take advantage of them.

I am so sorry H got you. That shit is just evil. Someone very close to me was addicted for a long time, and it really destroyed her life. I've seen it ruin and kill so many people - I truly hope somehow you can get out of that trap.

there's a needle shortage in pharmacies right now due to supply chain disruption... and there are no needle exchanges where i live, ive looked. i do not have planned Parenthood in my country but even if i did i wouldn't go on birth control, that shit is toxic (says the heroin addict, ironic) thank you for the well wishes though. i hope you're having a nice day

 

[charlottewilts]

Please don't. I hope you can focus on getting clean, instead. Heroin is so addictive that you need to fuel its use no matter what, and prostitution is only going to get you further down a very negative spiral. Tackle the root of your problem if you are at all able (drugs).

I'm sorry. I wish I could quit. My ex fiancee gave me an ultimatum: heroin or her. You can guess which I chose. I wish i could get off, I really do. But it's the only thing that makes my life bearable.

Also, I am sorry that this thread devolved into a fight. I respect both sides' opinions. Sending love to all

 

[Somber]

People do manage to get off of H, difficult though it may be.

Keep in mind that it's not the substance that is making life bearable, but the lack of it that makes it unbearable. It's the latter that is fueling your addiction and you are taking it to take away an urge that wouldn't be there if you managed to stay off of it for long enough.

If you no longer want to be defined by a substance that misleads your senses, I would recommend seeking help as you probably won't be able to stop cold turkey without some temporary replacement, but know that you can become independent of it, if you want to.

 

[myopybyproxy]

i hate the word women and do not affiliate myself with it in any way. but from your post it is evident you're asking about females which i unfortunately am one so i will answer.

i did this for some time and maybe some people are able to disconnect themselves from their bodies totally - i cannot do that - and so although logically it is not my self i sold but an activity, the technicalities make little difference to my brain. the feeling of being dirty and disgusting was not a fun result. that said, i felt that way before prostituting and perhaps i was looking for something that would justify that feeling. who knows.

i had no idea what the typical price was but from reactions where 90 dollars was too high i asked for 20-80. what is the least amount of money you will consider? it pains me to admit this but i would have taken even 5 dollars for sucking someone's dick. then again there were other reasons - the subconscious is a wild place - but even so to objectively consider how degrading that was that i was willing to do that for so little and what that said about me as a person did not help my mental state. not saying you will have the same experience just sharing my own.

in any case i stopped once i had the money i needed but your situation seems ongoing as it will fund a substance dependency. i would not recommend setting down this path indefinitely. set yourself a deadline whereupon you reevaluate your reasons for doing so and the pros and cons of that versus alternative decisions. even things like shoplifting from major retailers where there is a hands off policy below a particular value could be something to consider. ironically enough i have only done this once and even slipping a 94 cent pack of five utility blades in my pocket was nervewracking. but it is an option that is safer as long as you don't get caught and incarcerated.

 

[charlottewilts]

People do manage to get off of H, difficult though it may be.

Keep in mind that it's not the substance that is making life bearable, but the lack of it that makes it unbearable. It's the latter that is fueling your addiction and you are taking it to take away an urge that wouldn't be there if you managed to stay off of it for long enough.

If you no longer want to be defined by a substance that misleads your senses, I would recommend seeking help as you probably won't be able to stop cold turkey without some temporary replacement, but know that you can become independent of it, if you want to.

I don't want to get off, actually. If I did, I would have to face my demons. As a person with BPD, it is unimaginable to me. I just cannot. I have to keep myself numb and busy. Thank you, though.

i hate the word women and do not affiliate myself with it in any way. but from your post it is evident you're asking about females which i unfortunately am one so i will answer.

i did this for some time and maybe some people are able to disconnect themselves from their bodies totally - i cannot do that - and so although logically it is not my self i sold but an activity, the technicalities make little difference to my brain. the feeling of being dirty and disgusting was not a fun result. that said, i felt that way before prostituting and perhaps i was looking for something that would justify that feeling. who knows.

i had no idea what the typical price was but from reactions where 90 dollars was too high i asked for 20-80. what is the least amount of money you will consider? it pains me to admit this but i would have taken even 5 dollars for sucking someone's dick. then again there were other reasons - the subconscious is a wild place - but even so to objectively consider how degrading that was that i was willing to do that for so little and what that said about me as a person did not help my mental state. not saying you will have the same experience just sharing my own.

in any case i stopped once i had the money i needed but your situation seems ongoing as it will fund a substance dependency. i would not recommend setting down this path indefinitely. set yourself a deadline whereupon you reevaluate your reasons for doing so and the pros and cons of that versus alternative decisions. even things like shoplifting from major retailers where there is a hands off policy below a particular value could be something to consider. ironically enough i have only done this once and even slipping a 94 cent pack of five utility blades in my pocket was nervewracking. but it is an option that is safer as long as you don't get caught and incarcerated.

I am sorry you have experience with prostitution. I do shoplift but not anything with a large pricetag. I did shoplift something a Bit more expensive the other day, but generally, I only shoplift beer and snacks.

 

[noaccount]

To note: threesummers herein called me "sheltered" for naming sex work as real work and sex workers' rights as human rights.
(Try looking in a fucking mirror, at the very least.)

 

[Sanva]

To note: threesummers herein called me "sheltered" for naming sex work as real work and sex workers' rights as human rights.
(Try looking in a fucking mirror, at the very least.)

I agree with what you said about sex work and addiction, but how can you support this? There is a big difference between choosing to do sex work and feeling forced to do it because it's your only way to get money. And if you support women's rights, there's just no way you can unconditionally support sex work when it involves so many dangers for women. OP is obviously not going to do this in a controlled environment where she's protected and safe. There is a high chance of the men being violent, raping her etc. If you're going to support sex work, do it in a way that doesn't hurt women.

 

[summers]

To note: threesummers herein called me "sheltered" for naming sex work as real work and sex workers' rights as human rights.
(Try looking in a fucking mirror, at the very least.)

I would, but it would shatter because I'm ugly af

And actually, the sheltered comment was regarding your disregard of the physical effects of addiction as not being a core problem in and of themselves. For example, when my alcoholic neighbor would call me to bring him a drink because he had the shakes so bad he knocked over the vodka next to his bed, and he couldn't walk until he had a drink in him. I said, his alcoholism was probably caused by some root problem. But his addiction had progressed to the point where it became the main problem in his life.

Or maybe when the physical pain of opioid withdrawals becomes so bad, you can't move and wind up shitting you bed. I would say at that point, the physical dependence on that substance is a real, core problem in someone's life.

But you keep reading your books. You'd make a great counselor - the kind that has driven plenty of people to ss to get real help.

 

[angiegirl30]

Please don't. You may think you can control whether your partner is wearing a condom. Fact is, your pimp and Jon will decide that. Not you. Your pimp will control everything. You will have no say in anything. Please find another way to make money. This just isn't worth it.

 

[Of The Universe]

So I have an offer right now to do sex work with a pimp. Since I'm a heroin addict I could really use the money. What do y'all think?

Is the pimp diverse?

 

[occamsrazor]

So I have an offer right now to do sex work with a pimp. Since I'm a heroin addict I could really use the money. What do y'all think?

I'm addicted to fentanyl pressed pills but haven't been to the point I've needed to sleep with someone however sometimes I've wanted it so bad (drugs) that I wouldn't put it past me. All I'd say is be as careful as you can be. Pimps know how desperate one can get and use it against you I wouldn't want to see a fellow addict trapped in a bad situation. Could you not do it on your own without a pimp?