Discussion Quantum immortality

[Corovaner]

Do you believe in quantum immortality? If it's true, CTB becomes far less scareful. Just a chance to overwrite all your mistakes.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I don' t believe in any kind of immortality

A human is just a 3 pound brain, cells, an animal, a machine, chemical reactions, a bug

The connections between brain cells fool it into thinking it's something else

Does a bug have immortality? No

it's a comfort to me knowing i will cease to exist forever onward one micro second after my brain dies.

that means i won't ever have the chance of suffering a trillion times worse than i can imagine.

yes we all will die , but many of us will suffer extremely before Death sometimes years of suffering that nothing is worth going through

my objective is to skip any extreme torture or long lasting unbearable pain and get to the safety of non-existence foreever. only in eternal non-existence will i be out of harms way. while i'm alive or conscious i'm in harms way or have the ability and chance to suffer extremely

This me the brain creates is a horrible abomination because it can suffer unending constant unbearable pain

As examples the boats , brazen bull and other tortures

They tortured many and one guy in the boats torture for 17 days. Tied them between 2 boats immobilized. Fed them milk and honey let maggots eat them slowly from the inside out. Yeah worms Will eat us all but we'll be dead and can't feel it.

That's the difference between dead and living. Only while living or conscious can u suffer.

Scaphism: The Horrors of Ancient Torture and Execution

Terrible Torture

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[nihilistic_dragon]

Any sort of immortality terrifies me. I am not sure how it makes things less scary for you, but I am happy you can find comfort in that.
I get comfort from thinking there is absolutely nothing when we pass. Not from thinking I have to open my eyes again to some other stupid form of existence. I personally just want to disappear forever as if I never existed. I wish I could press some button and just erase myself, every memory of me, every cell, every chemical that makes up my body, everything just poof...gone!!

 

[kamyzyak]

I don't quite understand how quantum immortality relates to being able to overwrite my mistakes, if I remember correctly, that's not what this theory is about.

I do believe in some form of immortality/eternal return, though. I don't think memories and personality are preserved, but I see the existence and feeling of Self as continuous and everlasting. You can only experience something by existing => you cannot experience non-existence => your entire subjective experience consists only of existence.

 

[Corovaner]

I don't quite understand how quantum immortality relates to being able to overwrite my mistakes, if I remember correctly, that's not what this theory is about.

I do believe in some form of immortality/eternal return, though. I don't think memories and personality are preserved, but I see the existence and feeling of Self as continuous and everlasting. You can only experience something by existing => you cannot experience non-existence => your entire subjective experience consists only of existence.

Perhaps I get this theory wrong, but it comforts me a lot. In the meantime I've got my SN, metoclopramide and patacetamol. It is strange, but I don't feel fear, only excitement. Plan to do it in august.
Like I have waited this moment my whole life. Just inevitability.

 

[kamyzyak]

Perhaps I get this theory wrong, but it comforts me a lot. In the meantime I've got my SN, metoclopramide and patacetamol. It is strange, but I don't feel fear, only excitement. Plan to do it in august.
Like I have waited this moment my whole life. Just inevitability.

I'm sorry that things turned out this way for you, but I'm glad that you were able to find your solace, it's worth a lot. I also dream that I will have another chance to get a good ending. Living this life over and over again in different variations is probably one of the scenarios I like the most. If I were sure that this is the case, I would immediately go to find out if I would be more lucky with my health next time.

 

[Corovaner]

I'm sorry that things turned out this way for you, but I'm glad that you were able to find your solace, it's worth a lot. I also dream that I will have another chance to get a good ending. Living this life over and over again in different variations is probably one of the scenarios I like the most. If I were sure that this is the case, I would immediately go to find out if I would be more lucky with my health next time.

I have health issues too, it's my main reason. It was bearable, but in 7th february of this year it became not cause of stupid nurse's mistake. By 10 june I will try to fix this, but my attempt will fail more likely. Nah, better be gone in my 30, than in 50 being disabled subhuman.
I'm sorry for being too chatty, but I haven't somebody I can talk with. Didn't try to offense anybody.

 

[Endlichkeit]

You have probably misunderstood this concept.
It requires a system in a superposition, like a qubit, and a device which is entangled with that system and which will kill you instantly, so that you won't have any subseqquent conscious experience. Regular suicide methods do not offer this.
However, this will not save you from biological ageing and death, so this is not really immortality. You would only be "immortal" in the sense that you survive each iteration of quantum suicide.
Moreover, this experiment can only work if many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is correct, but practical implementation could still be impossible.

If MWI is correct, we can speculate that there is at least one branch in which your consciousness continues to exist indefinitely, no matter what, even after the heat death of the universe, because there is always a non-zero probability that it will not cease to exist. In MWI, it is a physical necessity that each probability, no matter how low, is realised in a some universe. But in most universes, you will die within the expected timeframe.

There are dozens of interpretations of quantum mechanics, and MWI is just another one. It has many inconsistencies, so it would be unreasonable to accept such consequences from it.

 

[Corovaner]

You have probably misunderstood this concept.
It requires a system in a superposition, like a qubit, and a device which is entangled with that system and which will kill you instantly, so that you won't have any subseqquent conscious experience. Regular suicide methods do not offer this.
However, this will not save you from biological ageing and death, so this is not really immortality. You would only be "immortal" in the sense that you survive each iteration of quantum suicide.
Moreover, this experiment can only work if many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is correct, but practical implementation could still be impossible.

If MWI is correct, we can speculate that there is at least one branch in which your consciousness continues to exist indefinitely, no matter what, even after the heat death of the universe, because there is always a non-zero probability that it will not cease to exist. In MWI, it is a physical necessity that each probability, no matter how low, is realised in a some universe. But in most universes, you will die within the expected timeframe.

There are dozens of interpretations of quantum mechanics, and MWI is just another one. It has many inconsistencies, so it would be unreasonable to accept such consequences from it.

I understand it, but idea of re-live life and erase mistakes obsesses and comforts me at the same time. This theory gives me something like that. I don't feel fear, thanks to it.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't believe in it personally and, I'd loathe to live my life over again. A lot of the bad things that happened were unavoidable. Maybe they wouldn't happen in a different iteration but, I just think life's too random to believe there's a version where everything goes well.

Similarly, I hold anti-natalist beliefs for the same reason. Life is guaranteed to shower us in at least some shit. I don't think it's fair to expose a sentient being to that risk. That's just a personal feeling really. If it comforts you though then, I hope you get your wish.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

"Quantum immortality"

Energy = Mass and Mass = Energy

Even in a perfect vacuum particles and their antiparticles come into existence and destroy themselves into energy once they "meet".

This is the "immortality" you probably refer to but it has nothing to do with any kind of consciousness.

 

[TemporaryToTesting]

Quantum immortality is both oddly comforting and terrifying to me. It would be comforting if this consciousness existed some other time, some other place, away from where I am and away from my worries. It would be terrifying if it just continued from where I left off like I had just opted to respawn on a game over screen.

 

[DarkRange55]

 

[GhostInTheMachine]

I believe in the Nietzschean concept of Eternal Recurrence. It's not exactly related to quantum immortality, but it's tangential.

 

[horrorofBeing]

I think the idea of eternal recurrence is to live your life in such a way that you could stand to repeat it eternally. In relation to suicide, if you end your life at this stage, it should be for reasons that you feel are repeatable. Actions, and most importantly the end of your life, should be not contingent or accidental but not necessarily universal Your choices in life should be authentically historical, tied to the time of your life and the time of your world in a way that is authentic, that is, owned by you. Eternal recurrence doesn't mean you passively repeat everything, but that you live your life in such a way that if you did, then you would still be living in a responsible way, an "authentic" way.

 

[shady868]

Gods I hope not.

 

[sinfonia]

I believe in the Nietzschean concept of Eternal Recurrence. It's not exactly related to quantum immortality, but it's tangential.

I think Nietzsche's idea of eternal recurrence was intended as more of a sort of thought experiment, to see how far you can go in affirmimg existence; that's why it's only introduced in Thus Spoke Zarathistra and not elsewhere; it's not clear how much he actually believed in it. You might want to check out Advaita Vedanta, though, if that part of Nietzschian thought fascinates you!

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

I don't believe in quantum immortality. It's human centric and doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Eudaimonic]

I don't believe in quantum immortality. It's human centric and doesn't make sense to me.

I don't believe in it either, but how is it human-centric, exactly? It would apply to conscious non-humans as well.

 

[claracatchingthebus]

Do you believe in quantum immortality? If it's true, CTB becomes far less scareful. Just a chance to overwrite all your mistakes.

you're not understanding the theory entirely

if quantum immortality is true, then there are an infinite parallel number of YOUs running at the same time.

If you do something to CTB, you die in 99.999999999999% of those other realities, but in the .00000000000000000000000001% of realities, the tiny other slice, a random difference in reality means you won't die, like someone walks in on you as you are about to do it.

You won't go back in time, just some improbable bullshit will "block" or "prevent" you from ctbing (and that improbable bullshit may be something terrible) and then you will keep living.

Now that i've ruined the experience, try to act surprised when it happens.

Source: I've failed to ctb many times.

You have probably misunderstood this concept.
It requires a system in a superposition, like a qubit, and a device which is entangled with that system and which will kill you instantly, so that you won't have any subseqquent conscious experience. Regular suicide methods do not offer this.
However, this will not save you from biological ageing and death, so this is not really immortality. You would only be "immortal" in the sense that you survive each iteration of quantum suicide.
Moreover, this experiment can only work if many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is correct, but practical implementation could still be impossible.

If MWI is correct, we can speculate that there is at least one branch in which your consciousness continues to exist indefinitely, no matter what, even after the heat death of the universe, because there is always a non-zero probability that it will not cease to exist. In MWI, it is a physical necessity that each probability, no matter how low, is realised in a some universe. But in most universes, you will die within the expected timeframe.

There are dozens of interpretations of quantum mechanics, and MWI is just another one. It has many inconsistencies, so it would be unreasonable to accept such consequences from it.

this is either partially or all correct

you must be a physicist, engineer, programmer, or have a high IQ. normal people can't talk about science this eloquently and easily

what are the inconsistencies that make such an acceptance of MWI unreasonable? i certainly haven't seen or read good proof, but my ignorance is not the same as evidence of reasonableness. Where's the contradiction?

 

[GhostInTheMachine]

I think Nietzsche's idea of eternal recurrence was intended as more of a sort of thought experiment, to see how far you can go in affirmimg existence; that's why it's only introduced in Thus Spoke Zarathistra and not elsewhere; it's not clear how much he actually believed in it. You might want to check out Advaita Vedanta, though, if that part of Nietzschian thought fascinates you!

I think his thought experiment holds more merit than one would think, even outside of the story. It's one that existed long before he integrated it within his own works, and one that I believe makes sense even within a scientific context. It makes sense that many schools of thought have come to a similar train of thought.

 

[secretghost]

this is so interesting because to me quantum immortality makes CTB more "careful" for me but it's something I go back and forth on