Purchasing methylene blue before attempting with SN

[Thanksforeverything]

After a bit of searching, I found a chemical retailer that stocks methylene blue and I've been considering purchasing it before my attempt. I know with methemoglobinemia, you need to be treated at the hospital and this is what they use, but would intravenous self-administration technically serve the same purpose? I'm not sure whether or not I'll be able to keep the SN down regardless of how many glasses I prepare beforehand due to a long history of nausea, so this could essentially prevent me from having to be rushed to the ER by family members. I'd rather not have them go through that experience. If any med students/people have been treated for SN poisoning before or have seen how treatment works, please let me know if you have any tips.

This is the thread that sprouted this idea initially: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-methylene-blue-kit.100655/

 

[TimetoGo!]

After a bit of searching, I found a chemical retailer that stocks methylene blue and I've been considering purchasing it before my attempt. I know with methemoglobinemia, you need to be treated at the hospital and this is what they use, but would intravenous self-administration technically serve the same purpose? I'm not sure whether or not I'll be able to keep the SN down regardless of how many glasses I prepare beforehand due to a long history of nausea, so this could essentially prevent me from having to be rushed to the ER by family members. I'd rather not have them go through that experience. If any med students/people have been treated for SN poisoning before or have seen how treatment works, please let me know if you have any tips.

This is the thread that sprouted this idea initially: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-methylene-blue-kit.100655/

Could definitely be back up plan if it goes wrong……..does it have to be intravenous or can it be swallowed?

 

[strangelife]

After a bit of searching, I found a chemical retailer that stocks methylene blue and I've been considering purchasing it before my attempt. I know with methemoglobinemia, you need to be treated at the hospital and this is what they use, but would intravenous self-administration technically serve the same purpose? I'm not sure whether or not I'll be able to keep the SN down regardless of how many glasses I prepare beforehand due to a long history of nausea, so this could essentially prevent me from having to be rushed to the ER by family members. I'd rather not have them go through that experience. If any med students/people have been treated for SN poisoning before or have seen how treatment works, please let me know if you have any tips.

This is the thread that sprouted this idea initially: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-methylene-blue-kit.100655/

This is like jumping but holding a bungee jumping rope, just in case. Even if you vomit you can die, so at what stage you can understand that you need met blue ?

 

[willitpass]

From what I can recall I do believe the only medication I was given when I went to the hospital was methylene blue. They ultimately decided to intubate as a precaution and that obviously entailed more medication but from what I am aware of methylene blue was the only medication that actually was necessary. However, you would have to make the decision early enough to have the ability to administer it. The time between taking SN and losing consciousness varies from person to person so there is no way of knowing how long you would have to decide you want to back out. You also may not feel well enough prior to passing out to have the dexterity or cognition to do this. You would also need to establish an IV on yourself prior to taking the SN, which I'm assuming you're already a medical professional of some sort otherwise this wouldn't be possible. I would say it wouldn't be a bad idea but if you're having enough doubts about it to want to purchase a reversal drug I would say you aren't ready to CTB yet and should probably not take the SN to begin with.

 

[Thanksforeverything]

I would say it wouldn't be a bad idea but if you're having enough doubts about it to want to purchase a reversal drug I would say you aren't ready to CTB yet and should probably not take the SN to begin with.

This isn't really the case necessarily. But I'm planning on flying back home before I CTB, so my relatives don't have to pay a huge sum to fly my dead body back from abroad. Odds are hospitals there are not going to have methylene blue, and in the unlikely scenario that someoone happens to find me before I'm dead or it takes too long for me to lose consciousness or I throw up or a thousand other things that could go wrong, I would like some kind of way to reverse the damage so that I don't end up surviving as a vegetable, just as insurance. It would of course be a last-ditch resort.

The thing with SN that worries me from all the accounts that I've read is how nuanced it is based on every survivor's experience. Some mention passing out and then throwing up, only to wake up and waddle their way to the hospital. Some mention that they never passed out. Some mention throwing up and never needing to have to go to the hospital. I'm worried that if I do throw up, and I still have a second/third glass prepared, I might just throw up again because I have severe pre-existing issues with nausea. I'm just looking for some way to prevent surviving somehow but ending up with permanent damage.

If I had something like N which would knock me out for sure before killing me, that would be perfect, but unfortunately, that's not feasible. The duration that it takes for SN to do its job and all the nuances that can affect the likelihood of a successful attempt and not surviving with permanent damage is why I wanted to make an insurance bag, just in case.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Do you know how to administer it properly, even so, are you sure you'll even be in a state of administer it properly if the attempt is unsuccessful and you do need methelyne blue?

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Some mention passing out and then throwing up, only to wake up and waddle their way to the hospital.

The reason that is usually happens is because they couldn't finish the entire thing which explains why some are able to just wake up after going unconscious and waddling their way to hospital because they didn't retain enough in their system to ctb, highly doubt someone would be in any condition to do so if they took 20g and weren't found on top of this.

 

[Thanksforeverything]

Do you know how to administer it properly, even so, are you sure you'll even be in a state of administer it properly if the attempt is unsuccessful and you do need methelyne blue?

I've administered insulin before, so there's a 70-ish percent chance that I'd be able to do it myself. Worst case scenario where I'm in a delirious state, I'd need someone else to administer it. Same if I'm found before 16-hours minimum, just in case. I plan on leaving a note with the kit I'll be preparing mentioning when I took the SN.

highly doubt someone would be in any condition to do so if they took 20g and weren't found on top of this.

I'm not worried about SI kicking in. I'm well past that. Like I mentioned, I'm worried about being found and then potentially surviving with permanent damage or even worse, dying in someone's arms because hospitals won't have methylene blue in stock.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I'm worried about being found and then potentially surviving with permanent damage or even worse, dying in someone's arms because hospitals won't have methylene blue in stock.

I definitely understand where you're coming, I fear the same thing too naturally so.

 

[willitpass]

I've administered insulin before, so there's a 70-ish percent chance that I'd be able to do it myself. Worst case scenario where I'm in a delirious state, I'd need someone else to administer it. Same if I'm found before 16-hours minimum, just in case. I plan on leaving a note with the kit I'll be preparing mentioning when I took the SN.

Insulin is a subcutaneous injection. It goes just below the skin. It doesn't go directly into a vein. Methylene blue must be administered intravenously, through an IV that has already been placed. These are two drastically different methods of administration. If you were to give methylene blue subcutaneously like insulin I can tell you it will definitely not work and may well have very bad side effects. If you are not a medical professional you will not be able to start an IV on yourself and thus buying methylene blue will be useless as you would not be able to administer it.

 

[Tesha]

Yeah, this isn't going to work for a number of reasons.

You'll be unlikely to administer the IV yourself.
You need to be careful with the correct dosing.
You may not get medical quality met blue.
No one else will inject you with a random substance of unknown origin.

Sorry.

 

[rozeske]

I plan on leaving a note with the kit I'll be preparing mentioning when I took the SN.

That would be your best bet. Without any medical background I highly doubt you would be able to administer the antidote in your state at that time. The best thing you can do for yourself is follow the protocol to the T, make sure no one finds and interrupts you, and place the antidote next to you with a note if you are worried the hospitals won't have it.