Venting Psychiatric treatments are all bullshit!

[KillingPain267]

Psychology even admits that things like PTSD, depression, bipolar disorder and social anxiety cannot be cured, only "managed". Well, I don't want to exhaust myself extra much more than other people just to "manage" my depression and anxiety, while other people go through simple life challenges effortlessly.

I need to waste my time to go through cognitive behavioral therapy and it's not even free. I should actually be paid to go through it because I didn't ask to develop depression and anxiety.

Only drugs like alcohol, opioids and benzos actually work to reduce mental symptoms, but they are all banned, although they are bullshit too because tolerance builds up so fast.

I'm sure, in 500 years if psychological science develops further (big IF), we will look back and see SSRIs, cognitive behavioral therapy and electro shock treatment as dumb ineffective treatments at best, and as barbaric at worst.

 

[wren-briar]

We're in the psychiatric age equivalent to the medical field between witch doctors, leaches, and the development of microscopes.

We've moved away (although not far enough away) from sending people away for the psychological equivalance of leprosy, and giving people lobotomies, and there are actually treatments that help some people for at least a little while, but the mechanisms of why those treatments help, or not, aren't clearly understood.

Add to that, our greatest "innovators" (at least legally) are big corporations that are really only in it for the $$$, and not to actually help cure us.

So yeah, we're not in the psychiatric dark ages anymore, and, while I'd argue that we're in the equivalant of the renaissance, I'd also argue that we're really only at the very beginning of it.

 

[KillingPain267]

We're in the psychiatric age equivalent to the medical field between witch doctors, leaches, and the development of microscopes.

We've moved away (although not far enough away) from sending people away for the psychological equivalance of leprosy, and giving people lobotomies, and there are actually treatments that help some people for at least a little while, but the mechanisms of why those treatments help, or not, aren't clearly understood.

Add to that, our greatest "innovators" (at least legally) are big corporations that are really only in it for the $$$, and not to actually help cure us.

So yeah, we're not in the psychiatric dark ages anymore, and, while I'd argue that we're in the equivalant of the renaissance, I'd also argue that we're really only at the very beginning of it.

Very well said! 100% true. Unfortunately, I don't think we will ever progress because Immanuel Kant said long ago that psychology is and will never be a true science (the mind and consciousness cannot be tested like we can observe and predict chemicals reacting to each other).

 

[sparrowcharm]

I've tried so hard with a bunch of treatments and I just want to die now

 

[KillingPain267]

I've tried so hard with a bunch of treatments and I just want to die now

I'm willing to try as many treatments as they offer, just so I can see them finally also admitting that I'm a lost cause and their treatments are bullshit

 

[sparrowcharm]

Sometimes I also think just life it'self can be a bitch and there are people who have repeated traumas and setbacks or are born into bad circumstances - psychiatric treatments can just be a way of normal human responses to an unbearable situation being molded to acceptable responses

 

[sevennn]

:,( i just want to die. i'm tired of fighting everything. some people's life's are happy. mine is coping and managing. it's just another way to say "existing" and not "living". just fancy words that sound better than "you'll have to exist. not live, ok?" im tired. i just wanted to be happy so bad. and be like others. i just wish i had that. a happy life

 

[sparrowcharm]

:,( i just want to die. i'm tired of fighting everything. some people's life's are happy. mine is coping and managing. it's just another way to say "existing" and not "living". just fancy words that sound better than "you'll have to exist. not live, ok?" im tired. i just wanted to be happy so bad. and be like others. i just wish i had that. a happy life

I understand. It's a painful existence

 

[SVEN]

Pretty soon, we'll be getting counselled by responsive AI programmes offering non directive talking therapy online.

 

[LunarLight]

Well, that's what I thought too after six years of useless and ineffective psychiatric treatments (mainly SSRIs/SNRIs and antipsychotics), until I tried amisulpride in low quantity. It seems to worm a bit. But heroin helps me more - although it does not help me at all like it used to back when I had no tolerance.

 

[FadingSentinel]

I often switch between the two camps of whether I believe it can help someone or not it also depends a lot on what's going on though.

I'm sure, in 500 years if psychological science develops further (big IF), we will look back and see SSRIs, cognitive behavioral therapy and electro shock treatment as dumb ineffective treatments at best, and as barbaric at worst.

I honestly wonder if this will be the case, I we might develop better strategies but in the end I feel like in the end a lot is still going to depend on learning to change your beliefs and behavior. Maybe one day we'll have nanobots that will be able to change how our brains are wired but I don't think I'd even want something like that.

 

[-Link-]

We're in the psychiatric age equivalent to the medical field between witch doctors, leaches, and the development of microscopes.

We've moved away (although not far enough away) from sending people away for the psychological equivalance of leprosy, and giving people lobotomies, and there are actually treatments that help some people for at least a little while, but the mechanisms of why those treatments help, or not, aren't clearly understood.

Add to that, our greatest "innovators" (at least legally) are big corporations that are really only in it for the $$$, and not to actually help cure us.

So yeah, we're not in the psychiatric dark ages anymore, and, while I'd argue that we're in the equivalant of the renaissance, I'd also argue that we're really only at the very beginning of it.

This sounds like a fair assessment.

Many of the problems in psychiatry are related to factors besides the treatment itself. As @wren-briar said, if profits are being prioritized over innovation. And that there are limits to our understanding of the human brain.

I would add to that issues with resources (insufficient funding), accessibility (prohibitive costs, travel, wait lists), quality of care (how good is the therapist, are they well-trained in the techniques they're teaching), personal support systems (are patients getting support from family and friends), and logistical support systems (do patients have access to efficient disability supports).

Also, complex mental health cases require complex treatment programs. In these cases, cognitive behavioural therapy would ideally be only a part of a larger treatment/recovery regimen, and part of this would be knowing when CBT is appropriate to use and when it's not.

For anybody who has a complex case and is only able to engage in CBT (or any other singular form of therapy), there will be limits to its effectiveness indeed.

In keeping expectations realistic (in any therapy), you want to look at SMART goals:

• Specific -- detailed rather than generalized
• Measurable -- you want to be able to track progress
• Achievable -- they need to be realistic
• Relevant -- aligned with your values/needs and what you view as worthwhile
• Time-based -- start date, end date

If a therapist hasn't approached the topic of SMART goal-setting with their patient, this is something to discuss with the therapist because it goes towards keeping engaged in the therapy.

To be sure, if someone is a complex case and has opportunity to engage in CBT as a singular form of therapy, I would absolutely recommend they still engage with it. But expectations should be kept grounded in what's realistic, and this is something to discuss with the therapist very early on in the treatment (also, following up on this topic on a regular basis).

 

[KillingPain267]

Well, that's what I thought too after six years of useless and ineffective psychiatric treatments (mainly SSRIs/SNRIs and antipsychotics), until I tried amisulpride in low quantity. It seems to worm a bit. But heroin helps me more - although it does not help me at all like it used to back when I had no tolerance.

Yeah opioids calmed me down. Depression, overthinking and anxiety numbed by oxycodone pills. But they, and benzos, are bullshit too because they build tolerance so fast. Matthew Perry was said to have faked prescriptions to get up to 1,800 mg of oxycodone per day! I only got up to 110 mg a day for a month before I had to stop because they were too expensive pills to buy off the street.

 

[LunarLight]

Yeah opioids calmed me down. Depression, overthinking and anxiety numbed by oxycodone pills. But they, and benzos, are bullshit too because they build tolerance so fast. Matthew Perry was said to have faked prescriptions to get up to 1,800 mg of oxycodone per day! I only got up to 110 mg a day for a month before I had to stop because they were too expensive pills to buy off the street.

Yeah I know, I got up to 2g of H a day. Fucking expensive but I'd pay any price to feel even a little less shitty.