Venting Procreation is utterly repulsive and the cause of all problems

[Darkover]

1. Birth being physiologically stressful doesn't equate to it being a severe enough form for trauma to induce PTSD. By that logic, everyone should display many symptoms associated with PTSD due to exposure to varying amounts of physiological stress throughout our day-to-day lives, which isn't the case. Along with that, not all mothers experience PTSD as a result of childbirth and that stress being passed on due to epigenetics doesn't equate to the birthing process necessarily causing their offspring to develop PTSD. From what I know, this more so applies to discussions surrounding the likelihood of developing PTSD, which still requires that one is exposed to severe enough trauma to develop. In no way does what you cite suggest in anyway claim that "everyone is suffering from some form of PTSD from Birthing alone".

2. This source, again, doesn't provide evidence of what you are suggesting. While I will admit to standing corrected on the trauma and implicit memories claim, at the same time, this paper is mainly suggesting that this applies to "traumatic births" (I.e. prematurity, multiple births, postpartum depression, and chronic unpredictable trauma). Your second point here also goes on to highlight this, with it specifically specifying cases of "traumatic births" rather than it talking about births in general. Along with that, some of these findings are based on animal models, so the results aren't necessarily going to be a fully accurate representation of what happens in the case of humans. To add onto this, in no way does this article support your claims either. This neither proves that the birthing process causes PTSD, nor does it prove that everyone has varying degrees of it due to it. Trauma is a vague term that can be used to describe vary levels of distressing situations, from getting lost in a grocery store as a child to being sexually abused. Even if an event can potentially be considered traumatic, that doesn't equate to it being severe enough to cause one to develop PTSD.


3. You would also need to factor in specific environmental influences, such as the medical interventions commonly used when caring for premature infants, some of which may end up factoring into increased stress levels. Along with that, what you cited also explicitly states

Which goes against you claims of


4. First off, Winnicot and Bowlby theories were based in psychoanalysis. This is important to note because a lot psychoanalytic theories are considered to be outdated and/or flawed.

5. Again, you are citing psychoanalysis, not modern-day psychological research.

6. This doesn't support your point about everyone having PTSD due to beiths, let alone does this quote even suggest that all births are traumatic.

7. See what I said under #2

Some of what you have cited actually ends up unintentiaionally debunking your original claim. Even here:

Suggests otherwise when it comes your claims about everyone having varying degrees of PTSD as a result of birth. To add onto this, experiencing trauma doesn't equate to having PTSD. As I've noted before, traumatic events can vary in intensity and are not necessarily enough to induce PTSD. This doesn't even go into the fact that the likelihood of developing PTSD differs a lot on an individual scale.


Anways, I'm not going to engage any further with whatever fuck this conversation even is. I'm too tired to deal with this nonsense.

the evidence leans heavily against the claim that birth alone causes PTSD universally. While birth may introduce stress or minor implicit memories of distress, this doesn't meet the threshold for PTSD symptoms in most people.

 

[Amarajoy]

I'm divorced but have a BF

I wasn't trying to be invasive. I am older, single and didn't have kids either. Some days it teachings hard and I'm lonely without a family. I'm not in contact with my family of origin.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

I wasn't trying to be invasive. I am older, single and didn't have kids either. Some days it teachings hard and I'm lonely without a family. I'm not in contact with my family of origin.

I have some family but I still envision a future of decrepit old age and loneliness. I'd rather go now. I suffer from major depressive disorder and it's only gotten worse this year. Maybe you can volunteer somewhere and meet new people? There are a lot of lonely people in this world. I'm so sorry for your suffering this holiday season

 

[Amarajoy]

I have some family but I still envision a future of decrepit old age and loneliness. I'd rather go now. I suffer from major depressive disorder and it's only gotten worse this year. Maybe you can volunteer somewhere and meet new people? There are a lot of lonely people in this world. I'm so sorry for your suffering this holiday season

I don't have any family. We are estranged. It really hurts knowing they all get together without me.

I see the same future as you. It's bleak.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

I don't have any family. We are estranged. It really hurts knowing they all get together without me.

I see the same future as you. It's bleak.

Is there any way you can make ammends with your family? I understand if you can't as I am estranged from my father and brother.
If I do live to be old, once the health problems set in I plan to stop eating and drinking. I'm not living in a nursing home in a diaper!

 

[Chinaski]

I think you need to learn what PTSD is if you actually think this...

This whole thread is a smorgasbord of laughably juvenile idiocy but "being born causes ptsd" is probably the worst post I've seen on here all damn year

Procreation is ethically worse than murder

How foolish does an individual actually have to be to genuinely believe this horseshit, do you even know what you are saying