Venting Procreation is the most hellish tragedy

[FuneralCry]

Procreation is the most hellish tragedy, it's so horrible how all this harm is caused as a result of the so selfish decision to procreate, so disturbing how procreation causes endless suffering and meaningless torment when nobody could have ever been harmed by the absence of everything.

It disgusts me how they impose the futile and torturous burden that is human existence onto others even know nobody can literally suffer from never existing at all, there is no need for existence so it's especially tragic how they choose to make others suffer and existing is nothing but suffering, all of which is completely unnecessary.

Existence truly does serve no purpose but to torment existing beings, human existence in particular is a hellish abomination where one is destined for nothing but to decay, be tortured by old age and die anyway with unlimited potential for suffering, how could one ever procreate when there is literally no limit as to how much one can be tormented as long as they exist.

And yet sadistic humans make peaceful, guaranteed suicide inaccessible even know we were so cruelly forced here, it's so evil, the option to die in peace should be there at all times as I only wish for non-existence. To me being eternally unconcious is always preferable to suffering in this hellish reality, there's no value in the senseless cruelty and torment existing causes, procreation is a horrific crime that causes immense harm, I wish I never existed more than anything, it's better to stay eternally unaware of the evil that is existence.

 

[Tesha]

Is there anyone else you'd like to bitch about tonight? You've managed a fairly wide population so far today…

 

[myusername890]

Is there anyone else you'd like to bitch about tonight? You've managed a fairly wide population so far today…

Why do you comment on literally all her posts?

 

[final_countdown12]

Why do you comment on literally all her posts?

Because FC is clearly offeding @Tesha class/group as her being a mother.
OP basicaly offends all comunity here, thats sad. She should stop trolling / offending people here, its very disrespectfull since we are all suferring and already fucked up.

 

[Tesha]

Why do you comment on literally all her posts?

Because I'm one of the selfish people who torment and cause suffering by having children. I disagree, so I comment.

Edit - I suppose I could also use it as an opportunity to get my post count into the thousands..

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Because FC is clearly offeding @Tesha class/group as her being a mother.
OP basicaly offends all comunity here, thats sad. She should stop trolling / offending people here, its very disrespectfull since we are all suferring and already fucked up.

While I don't agree with FC on a lot of things and the way how she presented her points here was not the best, she is objectively right about decision to pro-create being an incredibly selfish one and that people deserve the right to die if they so please. All humans are a selfish at the end of the day, as are most other animals, so I don't think that demonizing parents is the right call but it is selfish to decide to procreate. To decide to procreate is to decide to take the risk of potentially forcing existence onto someone who may not want it and, by extension, it is forcing someone into potentially going through all sorts of suffering. You can't get upset over someone calling out the inherent selfishness of your decision. All you can do is try and make up for it.

 

[myusername890]

Because I'm one of the selfish people who torment and cause suffering by having children. I disagree, so I comment.

Yes but don't you find that pointless? Upsetting? Antinatalist philosophy is something that you are clearly at odds with, so why engage? At the end of the day, you had children and so long as you're a loving kind mother to them there's no turning back. The philosophy, and the sentiment that FC shares that certainly isn't only applicable to her will still prosper even if it angers you. Why take offense? Sure, it must hurt to be called selfish, but at the end of the day, everyone has kids for themselves.

What I feel that you and many others fail to understand about FC is that she is merely using the one space on the internet that she can talk freely on these things to vent. She isn't making thousands of posts for your or anyone else's approval. I can't speak for her, but as someone who finds solace in her posts, it is easy to see that she is deeply suffering, much like you I'd imagine, even if you don't feel that way, and uses what little energy being suicidal robs of you to express her deep hatred with feeling trapped in this world. For those of us who wish we were never born, whose life is truly irredeemable, of course we will see procreation as awful. And, once again, you don't have to accept such a philosophy, but keep in mind that because of each individual's circumstance, they will see life differently than you do, and simply hurting yourself or trying to tell off FC won't fix that.

 

[Tesha]

While I don't agree with FC on a lot of things and the way how she presented her points here was not the best, she is objectively right about decision to pro-create being an incredibly selfish one and that people deserve the right to die if they so please. All humans are a selfish at the end of the day, as are most other animals, so I don't think that demonizing parents is the right call but it is selfish to decide to procreate. To decide to procreate is to decide to take the risk of potentially forcing existence onto someone who may not want it and, by extension, it is forcing someone into potentially going through all sorts of suffering. You can't get upset over someone calling out the inherent selfishness of your decision. All you can do is try and make up for it.

I actually don't have an issue with someone articulating their own beliefs about procreation.

I have an issue with the name calling manner it's done in.

 

[DEATH IS FREEDOM]

When it is legal for anyone to have children, euthanasia should also be legal for anyone. Man must die because he was born. It is like a mathematical formula.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I actually don't have an issue with someone articulating their own beliefs about procreation.

I have an issue with the name calling manner it's done in.

What name-calling? Maybe I'm just not noticing it but I don't see any name-calling in her post./gen

 

[final_countdown12]

While I don't agree with FC on a lot of things and the way how she presented her point here was not the best to day the least, she is objectively right about decision to pro-create being an incredibly selfish one and that people deserve the right to die if they so please. All humans are a selfish at the end of the day, as are most other animals, so I don't think that demonizing parents is the right call but it is selfish to procreate. To decide to procreate is to decide to take the risk of potentially forcing existence onto someone who may not want it and, by extension, it is forcing someone into potentially going through all sorts of suffering. You can't get upset over someone calling out the inherent selfishness of your decision. All you can do is try and make up for it.

There are mothers who procreates aiming to provide a good life to their kids. Also the act of procreation is not always rational, many time it comes naturally as a consequence of relationship and love.

so Not all mothers are insanely evil and selfish. So be carefull in demonizing the act of procreating, lots of mothers here are good people with good intentions. Unfortunately we live in an unfair and fucked up world so circustance are not good for many people who are a result of the act of procriation, but thats not necessarily a problem of the procreator being selfish.

The problem is more complex than that and its stupid to just demozine the procreator / mother / father.

 

[Tesha]

I don't fail to see anything. I know and can completely sympathise with the pain of still being alive when that's the last thing you want. I also understand that this is her vent space.

But, I also have principles that I stand by - staying silent when I feel clumsily (or deliberately) accused of things I don't believe, isn't something I'm prepared to do.

In the same way I wouldn't remain silent in front of racists, homophobes etc.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

There are mothers who procreates aiming to provide a good life to their kids. Also the act of procreation is not always rational, many time it comes naturally as a consequence of relationship and love.

so Not all mothers are insanely evil and selfish. So be carefull in demonizing the act of procreating, lots of mothers here are good people with good intentions. Unfortunately we live in an unfair and fucked up world so circustance are not good for many people who are a result of the act of procriation, but thats not necessarily a problem of the procreator being selfish.

The problem is more complex than that and its stupid to just demozine the procreator / mother / father.

It is a selfish decision, no matter how you look at it. Even under the guise of providing a child with a good life it's still selfish since that reasoning usually comes from how it'll make you, the mother, feel. It alway comes down to the parents and their own selfish desires at the end of the day, no matter how you look at it. Selfishness doesn't even have to be rational either, so it coming as a result of being in a relationship doesn't mean anything.

Most mothers are selfish, as are most fathers. Most parents view children as things, so I generally lack any respect for people who decide to have kids. I'm not going to demonize them but people are allowed to express their distaste towards them if they want to. We live in a fucked up world, so don't go around having kids and then getting surprised when people call you selfish for forcing someone into having to existence on this planet.

 

[final_countdown12]

It is a selfish decision, no matter how you look at it. Even under the guise of providing a child with a good life it's still selfish since that reasoning usually comes from how it'll make you, the mother, feel. It alway comes down to the parents and their own selfish desires at the end of the day, no matter how you look at it. Selfishness doesn't even have to be rational either, so it coming as a result of being in a relationship doesn't mean anything.

Most mothers are selfish, as are most fathers. Most parents view children as things, so I generally lack any respect for people who decide to have kids. I'm not going to demonize them but people are allowed to express their distaste towards them if they want to. We live in a fucked up world, so don't go around having kids and then getting surprised when people call you selfish for forcing someone into having to existence on this planet.

if you are using Richard Dawkings assumption in the "SELFISH GENE" book i agree with you.
But in the more pratical level its unfair to demonize the mothers in our comunity here. Im prety sure many one them dont intend to bring a child to simply suffer in this world. Some people tend to me optimistic and children/new generations is a sign/has a meaning of hope.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

if you are using Richard Dawkings assumption in the "SELFISH GENE" book i agree with you.
But in the more pratical level its unfair to demonize the mothers in our comunity here. Im prety sure many one them dont intend to bring a child to simply suffer in this world. Some people tend to me optimistic and children/new generations is a sign/has a meaning of hope.

I'm not referring to any book. Even under the guise of optimism, it's still selfish to have children.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I agree. Procreation truly is selfish and nothing more. The people who say it isn't selfish are coping immensely or simply lack introspection to understand why they procreate to begin with (then again, a lot of people procreate on a whim which explains why they haven't thought it through).

Why do you comment on literally all her posts?

I'm wondering this too. I'm noticing her commenting on every single one of FCs posts that is related to procreation. Replying to her posts achieves absolutely nothing. It won't stop FC from making these types of threads and it won't really cause any change either. FC is basically impervious to criticism

 

[DavidInternet]

Procreation is the most hellish tragedy, it's so horrible how all this harm is caused as a result of the so selfish decision to procreate, so disturbing how procreation causes endless suffering and meaningless torment when nobody could have ever been harmed by the absence of everything.

It disgusts me how they impose the futile and torturous burden that is human existence onto others even know nobody can literally suffer from never existing at all, there is no need for existence so it's especially tragic how they choose to make others suffer and existing is nothing but suffering, all of which is completely unnecessary.

Existence truly does serve no purpose but to torment existing beings, human existence in particular is a hellish abomination where one is destined for nothing but to decay, be tortured by old age and die anyway with unlimited potential for suffering, how could one ever procreate when there is literally no limit as to how much one can be tormented as long as they exist.

And yet sadistic humans make peaceful, guaranteed suicide inaccessible even know we were so cruelly forced here, it's so evil, the option to die in peace should be there at all times as I only wish for non-existence. To me being eternally unconcious is always preferable to suffering in this hellish reality, there's no value in the senseless cruelty and torment existing causes, procreation is a horrific crime that causes immense harm, I wish I never existed more than anything, it's better to stay eternally unaware of the evil that is existence.

I like you. Sorry I was rude in the past. You've grown on me. You're fun. I mean that.

Over a bit of time, I've started looking forward your posts in the same way a normal person would've looked forward to watching Neighbours in the old days.

 

[Dayrain]

Procreation is the embodiment of selfishness.

Procreation truly is selfish and nothing more.