Discussion pro lifers shouldn't be allowed to work in healthcare.

[halleyscomet]

I was thinking about my grandfather recently, he died just over a year ago.

He had severe pneumonia, lung conditions, immune system issues - basically the man was in a shit ton of pain and no more treatments could be done.

When he was in the hospital he was still lucid, he was in so much pain. He begged and begged to be taken off life support but nobody listened. He would try to remove the machines himself but he would be restrained, he begged and cried to be let go but nobody listened to him. He was in that hospital for weeks, hanging by a thread but no one would let him go. It was fucking horrible seeing him there, practically begging to die.

It took a while of him begging and pleading to die that they actually let him go, he died upset, in pain, vulnerable, and in a hospital gown - which is not what he wanted at all.

I think it's so disgusting how healthcare workers will do this so a person, if somebody's very ill and in pain, why can't we let them die with dignity and in peace?

Healthcare shouldn't be about keeping whoever alive no matter what, it should be about giving the individual the best care with their circumstances - even if their best choice is to ctb.

Idc if their beliefs are pro life that should be kept out of the matter!

But I suppose in some cases and like legally they kinda have to be pro life?

Do you think pro lifers should be in healthcare?

 

[FuneralCry]

Never, it's very sadistic how they force people to suffer even when they are extremely tortured and begging for death. Pro-lifers are evil to me, they have no compassion.

 

[marchshift]

I agree with you

 

[iloverachel]

I'm so sorry that happened to your grandfather
Sounds truly awful

 

[divinemistress36]

They are so scared of getting sued

 

[Malaria]

I hate the double standard that if it were a dog or cat suffering this way, most would agree euthanasia is for the best, but we throw all that away when it's a human.

 

[willitpass]

That sounds like a horrible hospital. If he said he didn't want to continue they should have immediately contacted hospice/palliative care. It is taught early on in any school for any healthcare profession that patients have the right to refuse care (unfortunately that standard doesn't apply to psychiatric patients) so this was outright negligence and malpractice.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I agree but, unfortunately, the health care system itself is pro life. After all, doesn't it abide by the hippocratic oath which implies preserving a life for as long as possible no matter what? Nonetheless, I do think that it's disgusting at how we can't die at peace and that people want to preserve life at all costs. This type of mindset that they have makes me want to ctb even more so that they aren't the ones in control of my life

 

[INTJme]

I hate the double standard that if it were a dog or cat suffering this way, most would agree euthanasia is for the best, but we throw all that away when it's a human.

It's because humans have a false sense of belief that human lives are more valuable than other animals'.

 

[willitpass]

I agree but, unfortunately, the health care system itself is pro life. After all, doesn't it abide by the hippocratic oath which implies preserving a life for as long as possible no matter what? Nonetheless, I do think that it's disgusting at how we can't die at peace and that people want to preserve life at all costs. This type of mindset that they have makes me want to ctb even more so that they aren't the ones in control of my life

The hippocratic oath is quite the opposite of that. "I will not play God", meaning you will NOT keep someone alive for the sake of keeping them alive. The hippocratic oath means you will act in a way to give the patient dignity and respect and if the patient is ready to go you will let them go. It also means if the patients expresses a will to live you will not deny them care because you don't believe it's worth saving them. This doesn't seem to apply to mental health care for some reason, but in the physical healthcare world this is not how things are run.

 

[sserafim]

I hate the double standard that if it were a dog or cat suffering this way, most would agree euthanasia is for the best, but we throw all that away when it's a human.

I hate it as well. It never made any sense to me

It's because humans have a false sense of belief that human lives are more valuable than other animals'.

The sad thing is that human lives *are* more valuable than other animals' (for monetary purposes though). You can't tax a cat, but you can tax a human. Cats can't work, but humans are human capital. Governments and corporations try to squeeze every last drop of money out of you and milk you for as much money as they can. This is what happens when the world is driven by money, greed and profit. Anyways, at the end of the day, healthcare is a business. It's profit driven; everything in the world is. Healthcare is one of the most profitable businesses in the US. They make money off of people's sickness and suffering. They want to keep you alive as as long as possible so that they can make the maximum amount of money off of you.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

The healthcare workers have to follow the law of the country, they are not the ones to be blamed. It's disgusting how we humans treat other humans who are already terminally ill and want to die any animal gets a better treatment and a dignified death in such a case. I'm so sorry you had to go through this.

 

[ringo99]

This makes zero sense considering that the job of the medical community at large is to improve the quality of health and prolong life.....

A more accurate statement would be that pro-lifers shouldn't be allowed to interfere when it comes to voluntary end-of-life decisions in cases such as those of your grandfather.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

The hippocratic oath is quite the opposite of that. "I will not play God", meaning you will NOT keep someone alive for the sake of keeping them alive. The hippocratic oath means you will act in a way to give the patient dignity and respect and if the patient is ready to go you will let them go. It also means if the patients expresses a will to live you will not deny them care because you don't believe it's worth saving them. This doesn't seem to apply to mental health care for some reason, but in the physical healthcare world this is not how things are run.

Oh wow, I genuinely didn't know that. Thank you for the information. In that case, it sucks at how people go against the hippocratic oath as I believe that those who express a desire to be dead should be allowed euthanasia whereas those who want to live should be allowed to be saved if possible

 

[Linda]

That sort of thing is part of why I intend to ctb if my husband dies before me. I want to go out on my own terms.

 

[RosebyAnyName]

I remember hearing that the "customers" of healthcare are not the patients, but the patients' families and society at large. An emotionally immature society that would rather hold on to their comforting pro-life dogmas to shield them from the reality of death, at the expense of those who are actually suffering.