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Well they are definitely at work and a lot of them come on here acting desperate for a source and when you send them a source they must be going back and reporting it because now another source the salmon egg one is gone. I'm completely making assumptions right now but I don't really know unless the company saw the articles and what's going on I mean there could be a lot of different possibilities
Gonna see a lot more hangings and shootings.
These idiots would rather us die in a brutal way.
Thinking they're doing something powerful and positive. I was going to hang myself before learning about SN (Which I already have eheh) so I was gonna kill myself anyway
 
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Indeed I think it's time to buy some and stock up on SN. I may be paranoid but I fear that the SN method is on the way to being fairly well known and then limited. You really have to be careful, I don't share any sources anymore because I'm too suspicious. It's really terrible but these people always end up getting what they want, it's crazy to put so much energy into "stopping" suicidal people.
 
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I wonder if SN is gonna become a "controlled substance" due to its massive increase in popularity to CTB.
 
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I wonder if SN is gonna become a "controlled substance" due to its massive increase in popularity to CTB.
Probably will have access limited like cyanide
 
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Dec 10, 2021
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Almost everyone here, it seems, is addicted to ritual. Everyone here, it seems creates problems for themselves to get in the way of doing something that, at their core they don't want to do, anyway.

It's simple. It's an hour or two of reading, and a long walk in nature. Perhaps everyone is afraid they might cheer themselves up taking that long walk.

If you can boil water, you can off yourself. This list:


is anything but comprehensive. lol
 
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Almost everyone here, it seems, is addicted to ritual. Everyone here, it seems creates problems for themselves to get in the way of doing something that, at their core they don't want to do, anyway.

It's simple. It's an hour or two of reading, and a long walk in nature. Perhaps everyone is afraid they might cheer themselves up taking that long walk.

If you can boil water, you can off yourself. This list:


is anything but comprehensive. lol
The Yew tree is a one way ticket to death since there is no antidote for it and is a somewhat common tree at graveyards in western countries. It is not the most plesant way to go but will get the job done it needed.
 
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The Yew tree is a one way ticket to death since there is no antidote for it and is a somewhat common tree at graveyards in western countries. It is not the most plesant way to go but will get the job done it needed.
One of thousands.
 
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Felix007

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I mean, in Europe its basically impossible to buy SN as a private person…
 
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Born to suffer
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Indeed I think it's time to buy some and stock up on SN. I may be paranoid but I fear that the SN method is on the way to being fairly well known and then limited. You really have to be careful, I don't share any sources anymore because I'm too suspicious. It's really terrible but these people always end up getting what they want, it's crazy to put so much energy into "stopping" suicidal people.
With IC's new ID restriction I am too getting worried that SN will be on it's way out, especially for those of us in Europe who only have access to one SN vendor. I'm going to stock up on SN again as soon as I can, even if I don't ctb soon I reckon it's very important to get ahold of it right now.
 
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Aug 14, 2022
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Almost everyone here, it seems, is addicted to ritual. Everyone here, it seems creates problems for themselves to get in the way of doing something that, at their core they don't want to do, anyway.

It's simple. It's an hour or two of reading, and a long walk in nature. Perhaps everyone is afraid they might cheer themselves up taking that long walk.

If you can boil water, you can off yourself. This list:


is anything but comprehensive. lol
ash.suicide.holiday list TONS of different methods
 
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It does seem as though the pro lifers would do anything to make suicide more unnecessarily difficult and painful for people. Of course removing method options would never reduce suicide, instead it would just mean that people have to suffer more as they plan to leave this world as people would have to resort to less desirable methods in order to be gone.

But it's certainly selfish and unfair how they have a wish to interfere with people's personal decisions about their lives and how they try to force others to suffer. Suicide should be respected as a human right and we deserve method options to be able to take control of when we exit. I personally see no benefit to suffering until very old age just to die anyway. To me life is so pointless and unnecesary.

But nobody should be hostile towards those that come on this website desperate for method information. Some people just want to leave so desperately and just because someone wants SN, doesn't necessarily mean that they are suspicious. Suicide websites shouldn't need to exist in the first place because as humans we shouldn't have to plan our death in secrecy. Of course suicide should be accepted in society.
 
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On another pro-lifer note, today I saw a New York Times headline about some law that would make sites such as this liable for suicides. The whole article was behind a paywall and I didn't read it.
 
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Fine then each person who wants to be a member here, will have to sign a hold harmless agreement. Said agreement to include a provision signing away any and all rights to sue, of anyone related to or married to the decedent. Sigh, another damn form in the world, to be filled out, signed.......
 
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almaranthine

Wizard
Nov 28, 2019
615
When I saw this post my fucking heart dropped. I was going to order from the salmon egg cure company this week but I was procrastinating and being shitty about it. I am absolutely appalled but I'm not shocked. I was able to find the product on a third party site which required no verification and didn't restrict the product and IMMEDIATELY ordered it to my home address. Most of the third party sites were out of the product and it was the only one I found listed that still has the item. I am very curious what happens when calling the office as prompted on the manufacturing company's listing?? It doesn't say business only? I'm not willing to find out myself as long as the company I ordered from fulfills it without issue... but if PC is still shipping to private persons which would make sense because the entirety of the site is built around supplying fishing supplies to the average person... wtf are they going to ask you? To verify your ID by sending them a pic like IC? A bunch of questions about the curing process that an inexperienced person wouldn't know? I have so many questions. It is SO INSANE that we have lost two major sources within the past few weeks. This method is going to be inaccessible very soon. So terribly sad.
 
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"In September, according to the analytics firm Similarweb, the site drew nearly 10 million views"

Ths = nt srprisng frm th/ numbrs tht wre apparnt @ th/ tme

Yt no1 = askng wht brngs ppl 2 sasu in th/ 1st plce bcse all of thse issus wll stll x-ist
 
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Hell-On-Earth

Born to suffer
Apr 22, 2022
75
When I saw this post my fucking heart dropped. I was going to order from the salmon egg cure company this week but I was procrastinating and being shitty about it. I am absolutely appalled but I'm not shocked. I was able to find the product on a third party site which required no verification and didn't restrict the product and IMMEDIATELY ordered it to my home address. Most of the third party sites were out of the product and it was the only one I found listed that still has the item. I am very curious what happens when calling the office as prompted on the manufacturing company's listing?? It doesn't say business only? I'm not willing to find out myself as long as the company I ordered from fulfills it without issue... but if PC is still shipping to private persons which would make sense because the entirety of the site is built around supplying fishing supplies to the average person... wtf are they going to ask you? To verify your ID by sending them a pic like IC? A bunch of questions about the curing process that an inexperienced person wouldn't know? I have so many questions. It is SO INSANE that we have lost two major sources within the past few weeks. This method is going to be inaccessible very soon. So terribly sad.
At least IC is still around. Even if you have to provide ID I'm glad they're still up because those of us in Europe literally have no other choice. I just fear we'll lose them completely at some point.
 
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615
The Yew tree is a one way ticket to death since there is no antidote for it and is a somewhat common tree at graveyards in western countries. It is not the most plesant way to go but will get the job done it needed.
I looked into this method years ago... if you aren't in an area where the tree naturally grows pretty much all you can do is buy seeds online. The active compound that effectively kills you is present in higher concentrations during certain seasons (can't remember all details it's been a minute) so when you order seeds randomly it's complete guess work trying to figure out how many you need. People think it's as simple as throwing those little guys in a coffee grinder and mixing them in some ice cream or something but there are oils and tannins in the seeds which cause severe gastric upset so you have to basically try to make your own ghetto tincture and it's just a whole goddamn process that isn't well documented or tested. Idk I gave up on it when I learned about SN. There's a user on here who did document and share their process of making a tincture and defatting the solution (removing the oils) but other than that there isn't much info about Yew here. The problem with plant-based poisoning is all the guess work involved, the prolonged symptoms, and the natural variance occurring in whatever plant matter one is trying to use. Like Datura for example, which some people have used to trip, but just accidentally messing up the dosage can cause you to lose your mind for 4 days straight in a very grim dissociative state. This is what is/was SO great about SN. It's so straightforward. This many grams. Water. Boom, done. Extra drugs if you can get them.
At least IC is still around. Even if you have to provide ID I'm glad they're still up because those of us in Europe literally have no other choice. I just fear we'll lose them completely at some point.
It's crazy how we went from being able to buy this stuff on Amazon to having the whole of Europe being limited to one very obscure source. US used to have DD. I never thought that we'd lose the bait cure site too. There is still one other source I know of but it's a bit sketch because they do not label the purity of the product on the bags.
I looked into this method years ago... if you aren't in an area where the tree naturally grows pretty much all you can do is buy seeds online. The active compound that effectively kills you is present in higher concentrations during certain seasons (can't remember all details it's been a minute) so when you order seeds randomly it's complete guess work trying to figure out how many you need. People think it's as simple as throwing those little guys in a coffee grinder and mixing them in some ice cream or something but there are oils and tannins in the seeds which cause severe gastric upset so you have to basically try to make your own ghetto tincture and it's just a whole goddamn process that isn't well documented or tested. Idk I gave up on it when I learned about SN. There's a user on here who did document and share their process of making a tincture and defatting the solution (removing the oils) but other than that there isn't much info about Yew here. The problem with plant-based poisoning is all the guess work involved, the prolonged symptoms, and the natural variance occurring in whatever plant matter one is trying to use. Like Datura for example, which some people have used to trip, but just accidentally messing up the dosage can cause you to lose your mind for 4 days straight in a very grim dissociative state. This is what is/was SO great about SN. It's so straightforward. This many grams. Water. Boom, done. Extra drugs if you can get them.

It's crazy how we went from being able to buy this stuff on Amazon to having the whole of Europe being limited to one very obscure source. US used to have DD. I never thought that we'd lose the bait cure site too. There is still one other source I know of but it's a bit sketch because they do not label the purity of the product on the bags.
just kidding, the source I mentioned is no longer existent now that I've done some research. they completely stopped manufacturing the substance and it isn't even available restricted on their site. I blame the cursed "jungle site" because the product was once available there. I'm assuming the company faced backlash and just decided to 86 SN from their inventory entirely. Fuck. There is ONE other source I know of for the US that I haven't heard anyone talk about but the website is genuinely sketchy af and the supposed founder of the company was arrested years back for some... stuff. I hate what the world has come to. Banning a goddamn inorganic salt ffs.
 
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I'm shocked that there is only IC at the moment in Europe. There is also the Polish seller but he didn't deliver to my country unfortunately. I don't even know if they are still selling.
But I really think that the end of the SN will come one day or another. I fear that IC will fall even though it seems to be a top secret site. They do everything to limit the less painful means of dying and only this. Because when it comes to ropes, knives and firearms, that's another thing. These people go so far as to have a hold on our pain and I find that terrifying.

The only alternative would be to create a shell company and order in the name of the company because they do not sell to individuals. But I'm not even sure that would work. Even me with my CTB I am afraid that the method will end up making itself known to the authorities.
 
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I don't understand why pro-lifers feel the need to interfere. The most selfless people are having to battle with the most selfish. Suicide isn't selfish, but making someone stay alive just because you don't want to grieve their loss is. A lot of us that are suicidal lack support and truly believe the burden we place on others would be relieved with our death (at least that's how I feel). Most of us don't want to hurt anyone else. Just let us be πŸ–€.
 
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On another pro-lifer note, today I saw a New York Times headline about some law that would make sites such as this liable for suicides. The whole article was behind a paywall and I didn't read it.
Assisted suicide is when a physician provides some kind of lethal substance and the patient administers it themselves. None of us are providing lethal substances.

Found it. Indeed, the pro-lifers have been hard at work it seems


Here is a transcript of the NYT article:

"Lawmakers are seeking to make online assistance of suicide a federal crime, pushing to hold accountable both individual users and the tech companies and websites that allow such content on their platforms.
A bipartisan bill introduced in the House of Representatives on Monday, the Stop Online Suicide Assistance Forums Act, comes amid rising concern over suicide rates among young people, and mounting evidence of online dangers.
The bill's primary sponsor cited a Times investigation published last December into a website where members share detailed instructions on how to die and encourage one another to follow through with suicide plans. The investigation identified 45 deaths connected to the site and found hundreds of posts suggesting that the true toll was much higher.
"As a mom," said Representative Lori Trahan, Democrat of Massachusetts, the findings were "terrifying, and it motivated us to act." Co-sponsoring the bill with her were Katie Porter, Democrat of California, and the Republicans Mike Carey of Ohio and Chris Stewart of Utah.

Even as the trail of suicides connected to the site grows longer β€” The Times has since identified dozens more deaths, including several young teenagers β€” no one involved has faced legal consequences.
While most states have laws against assisting suicide, they are inconsistent and rarely enforced, and don't explicitly address online activity. It is not clearly established to what extent speech about suicide is protected by the First Amendment.
The new federal bill draws on a Minnesota State Supreme Court ruling, which affirmed that offering suicide instructions in an online exchange was a crime.
Previous legislation aimed at this issue, the Suzanne Gonzales Suicide Prevention Act, first proposed in 2007 and named for a 19-year-old who had killed herself after receiving instruction on the internet, would also have made online assistance of suicide a federal crime. It was introduced several times but never received a vote.
The new bill would allow prosecution under an existing exception to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the law that governs online activity and typically shields website operators from liability for content posted by users. Exempt from protection are website operators who host content that violates federal criminal law.


While Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and other platforms have in recent years prohibited users from sharing suicide methods and encouraging self-harm, they haven't fully eliminated it. Under the new bill, they could be subject to penalties of up to five years in prison and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines.
The bill does not criminalize the act of suicide or the encouragement of it. It also does not interfere with state laws that explicitly allow physician-assisted death for the terminally ill.
Suicide awareness and prevention organizations and the families of young people who died in connection with the suicide website have urged such legislation.
"It's at least one important step. We need to get this online help taken down," said Sharon Luft, whose 17-year-old son Matthew killed himself last year less than a month after joining the site.
When Matthew inquired about a specific method, another member was quick to reply with a link to detailed instructions on how to use it to die. He later sought and received more detailed advice to make sure his efforts would work. At one point, he wondered if the method was working and asked if he should keep going. Another member responded, "If you want the attempt to be a success, then yes."
"Websites that encourage suicide and offer instructions are harmful, particularly to youth and young adults," said Robert Gebbia, the chief executive of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.
Diego JoaquΓ­n Galante and Lamarcus Small, revealed by The Times as the two men who created the suicide website and operated it for years, framed it as a "pro-choice" forum supporting members' decisions to live or die, and presented themselves as defenders of free speech. In online posts under the name Marquis, Mr. Small repeatedly said that the site complied with U.S. law.

After the Times investigation, the two men announced that they had handed over the site to new administrators who espoused similar beliefs. In September, according to the analytics firm Similarweb, the site drew nearly 10 million views."
Thanks for sharing this. First off nobody encourages anyone I've never seen that happen once second off the website is run out of another country even if they ban these websites here in America we will just use vpns and be able to access it still. LOL
These people think about shutting this website down it's really going to stop us from killing ourselves. I was still going to kill myself before I even found the website I was just going to hang myself. Now that I've learned about sodium nitrite (yeah I ordered mine there's not a damn thing any of you can do about it and I'm going to drink it) no I don't have to potentially do something that can leave me absolutely brain dead or paralyzed. I was dead set on killing myself no pun intended before finding this website and there was nothing anyone could do to stop me. That's what these people don't realize. If we want to die we are going to die. This website also isn't just about death and dying this is a place where we can come and open up about these feelings and talk about these things openly where we can't do so anywhere else that in itself has kept me alive a year longer than I was expected to be. These people truly are idiots and think that they know how to solve the problem before even addressing actual suicidal people to see their view and perspective on it. These people only want to push their ideations and beliefs on to everyone else and think that they know how to solve the issue when obviously the issue is still there and it isn't changing whatsoever. This horrible people also completely shut down anyone who is suicidal and make them feel like a monster or a beast and tell them oh you need to get help you need medication and force you to go into a hospital instead of even sitting there and listening to why they are the way they are and why they feel that way to begin with. Humans we should be able to talk about our suicidal feelings even our plans for fucks sake without feeling like some type of monster that's going to make us want to die even more these people don't realize that it's like you can't get through to these people no matter what you do or what you say. They think that they're actually helping people with in our reality most of the time they're just prolonging suffering anyway. They think that medications are going to solve the problem when as you can tell by most users on this website the medications have only made it worse and some people are suffering permanent damage from them. Anyway I'm going around in circles I'm not making any sense but it's hard for me to make sense I'm sorry you guys I'm kind of messed up in the head and it's hard for me to communicate properly and get things out the way that I'm trying to. I really don't even know why I care to get involved in this anymore I have everything that I need I've met a lot of really cool friends I've received a lot of support I've learned a lot of things that I didn't know before I was accepted for who I was and I got everything that I need from this community and I would be sad to see it go but it is what it is. there are people that truly think that shutting this website down is going to stop suicide from happening. They're absolutely dead wrong. They're just going to start finding more people hanging from ropes. Jumping under trains. Acquiring guns and blowing their brains out all over their bedroom wall. Shutting this website down is not going to stop suicide whatsoever. Kelli Wilson, Catherine and all of these narcissistic psychopaths those are the type of people that push people over the edge and because they are narcissistic they fail to accept where they may have gone wrong in their eyes they are perfect and they could not make any mistakes or do anything wrong. They're bullies and I wouldn't doubt if they didn't bully their children as well or just be extremely judgmental toward them and they just didn't feel loved and accepted by their own parents. I'm not one of those people to blame the parents because it may or may not be their fault but going by the way that I'll see them act on Twitter and they're nasty ass attitude you think that they're high school teenagers. I understand that they're grieving but at the same time just like I said going by their behavior you can tell that a part of how they're acting has always been there.
"In September, according to the analytics firm Similarweb, the site drew nearly 10 million views"

Ths = nt srprisng frm th/ numbrs tht wre apparnt @ th/ tme

Yt no1 = askng wht brngs ppl 2 sasu in th/ 1st plce bcse all of thse issus wll stll x-ist
Dude wasn't that suicide awareness month? Wasn't there a bunch of articles being posted about some type of lawsuit? Or was that in the beginning of october? No wonder there was so many views. Jackasses
I looked into this method years ago... if you aren't in an area where the tree naturally grows pretty much all you can do is buy seeds online. The active compound that effectively kills you is present in higher concentrations during certain seasons (can't remember all details it's been a minute) so when you order seeds randomly it's complete guess work trying to figure out how many you need. People think it's as simple as throwing those little guys in a coffee grinder and mixing them in some ice cream or something but there are oils and tannins in the seeds which cause severe gastric upset so you have to basically try to make your own ghetto tincture and it's just a whole goddamn process that isn't well documented or tested. Idk I gave up on it when I learned about SN. There's a user on here who did document and share their process of making a tincture and defatting the solution (removing the oils) but other than that there isn't much info about Yew here. The problem with plant-based poisoning is all the guess work involved, the prolonged symptoms, and the natural variance occurring in whatever plant matter one is trying to use. Like Datura for example, which some people have used to trip, but just accidentally messing up the dosage can cause you to lose your mind for 4 days straight in a very grim dissociative state. This is what is/was SO great about SN. It's so straightforward. This many grams. Water. Boom, done. Extra drugs if you can get them.

It's crazy how we went from being able to buy this stuff on Amazon to having the whole of Europe being limited to one very obscure source. US used to have DD. I never thought that we'd lose the bait cure site too. There is still one other source I know of but it's a bit sketch because they do not label the purity of the product on the bags.

just kidding, the source I mentioned is no longer existent now that I've done some research. they completely stopped manufacturing the substance and it isn't even available restricted on their site. I blame the cursed "jungle site" because the product was once available there. I'm assuming the company faced backlash and just decided to 86 SN from their inventory entirely. Fuck. There is ONE other source I know of for the US that I haven't heard anyone talk about but the website is genuinely sketchy af and the supposed founder of the company was arrested years back for some... stuff. I hate what the world has come to. Banning a goddamn inorganic salt ffs.
Well I know of plenty of other sources including the Facebook marketplace so they're going to have to do a really hard job of shutting them all down although doesn't really matter because I have what I need.
I'm shocked that there is only IC at the moment in Europe. There is also the Polish seller but he didn't deliver to my country unfortunately. I don't even know if they are still selling.
But I really think that the end of the SN will come one day or another. I fear that IC will fall even though it seems to be a top secret site. They do everything to limit the less painful means of dying and only this. Because when it comes to ropes, knives and firearms, that's another thing. These people go so far as to have a hold on our pain and I find that terrifying.

The only alternative would be to create a shell company and order in the name of the company because they do not sell to individuals. But I'm not even sure that would work. Even me with my CTB I am afraid that the method will end up making itself known to the authorities.
It's not top secret believe me they know about it the owner even mentioned how there's parents trying to sue him right now. People from this website even go on Reddit and post the name of the source. I'm sure there are pro-lifers and journalists of whoever that come on here and make accounts as well and ask people for sources. Like I said selfishly I don't really care I have what I need I don't know why I even get involved in this. It will all probably come to an end at some point. I'm glad I ordered when I did. πŸ’ͺπŸ₯Ί
 
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In my experience pro-lifers are either bible (or any other religion) thumping shitbags who try to guilt you out of ctb while offering meaningless platitudes that do absolutely nothing to tackle the core of what's troubling you or naive do gooders who genuinely don't understand what you go through because they've never experienced that kind of pain.
The former are absolutely unbearable to deal with since their intentions are actually selfish and cloaked in self righteous bullshit. They're mainly looking to pump up their own ego and get a VIP backstage pass to heaven (if you believe in that kind of nonsense) for "saving a lost soul" (their words).

The latter category try to be helpful by listing things like ctb hotlines (useless), therapy (too expensive or lack of qualified professionals in my country), exercise, sleep, eating better (doesn't work) etc. but fail to address the underlying problems that are plaguing you.

In the end all they do is prolong people's suffering in the belief that "something will turn up" and magically reverse years or decades of trauma and suffering and deny sufferers access to painless ways to end a brutal existence
 
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it makes me so angry that some of those pro-lifers seem to genuinely think they're doing what's best for us when a lot of us, on this site, for example, have done so much research, planning and preparing and know that our decision to CTB is what's best for us… :/
 

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