Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Death

[Unwr!tten]

I wanna share my story a bit.

So, as sone of you already know, I'm a disabled Female living in the United States. I've been suicidal for a decade and a half now and I am pro-choice. I believe that anyone who is born has the right to die, just as any fetus has the right to life. I believe that the physical choice should be given to those who are either terminally ill, in severe chronic mental or physical agony and any adult who has a developed brain and can understand and make the choice for themselves.

All this fighting I've seen has honestly made me more depressed and sad than I was before because we are all struggling and I know that that can make things really hard. I want you all to know that even if I disagree with you, I love you, every single one of you and I just want you to be happy and if your beliefs make you happy then that's okay, I just wish we didn't have to fight about it. I don't know where I'm going with this really, but I wish we didn't have to fight because some are pro-death and accusing everyone of being pro-life and vice versa.

I'm sorry if in expressing my feelings I've hurt any of you.

 

[leavingsoon99]

Much love to you too. I agree with your sentiment. I'm pro-choice. I just don't like internet bullying and unnecessary aggression in a space where all of us should be safe to express ourselves. I think that attacking someone, unnecessarily, for expressing a perspective one doesn't agree with is disordered. I wasn't trying to antagonize anyone. I don't care who follows me or who doesn't. I'm here to express the musings of my soul in my final days. I send love to you too.

 

[CTB Dream]

Hug ,not rly agree lbl nat lang root prblm fight, no need fight grp etc ppl say thing ok vent no attk

 

[Pluto]

Well spoken. I've tried to express a similar sentiment before but it always ends up an overly verbose monologue.

Love is the perfect guiding principle here rather than a particular political stance. In this sense, I'd define love as wishing well for others with no other agenda.

Some people are here in desperation over a distressing situation. A loving response might give them validation, share similar experiences or offer genuinely constructive suggestions for overcoming the hardship. (Not generic silliness like, 'You have so much to live for.')

If all else fails and a suicide is to be completed, what people want is the closest thing possible to a deathbed gathering, or going to sleep for the last time in the loving embrace of someone who cares.

The challenge comes when some people's mental health makes love, or even appropriate social behaviour, a mere intellectual concept. Hence their output may come across as mechanical or soulless - sometimes bringing politics or method info into a goodbye thread, for example. Maybe they need love most of all? Or perhaps we should better enforce higher standards of respect for others. Or the loving thing could be to let them be. You decide.

 

[CentreMid]

I wanna share my story a bit.

So, as sone of you already know, I'm a disabled Female living in the United States. I've been suicidal for a decade and a half now and I am pro-choice. I believe that anyone who is born has the right to die, just as any fetus has the right to life. I believe that the physical choice should be given to those who are either terminally ill, in severe chronic mental or physical agony and any adult who has a developed brain and can understand and make the choice for themselves.

All this fighting I've seen has honestly made me more depressed and sad than I was before because we are all struggling and I know that that can make things really hard. I want you all to know that even if I disagree with you, I love you, every single one of you and I just want you to be happy and if your beliefs make you happy then that's okay, I just wish we didn't have to fight about it. I don't know where I'm going with this really, but I wish we didn't have to fight because some are pro-death and accusing everyone of being pro-life and vice versa.

I'm sorry if in expressing my feelings I've hurt any of you.

It's alright. I think your concerns are justified. I've noticed an uptick in internal arguments, hell, I'll admit, I've even partaken in a few heated discussions that have turned sour myself! But I am thankful for users like you who help remind us what this forum is about.

I know I shouldn't rely on others to keep me accountable for my words (I mean this in a general sense, non-accusatory!), as that's something I need to do for myself and be better at, and it's good to know that there is still a sense of community here. Thank you for posting!

 

[Tuurngait]

Well spoken. I've tried to express a similar sentiment before but it always ends up an overly verbose monologue.

Love is the perfect guiding principle here rather than a particular political stance. In this sense, I'd define love as wishing well for others with no other agenda.

Some people are here in desperation over a distressing situation. A loving response might give them validation, share similar experiences or offer genuinely constructive suggestions for overcoming the hardship. (Not generic silliness like, 'You have so much to live for.')

If all else fails and a suicide is to be completed, what people want is the closest thing possible to a deathbed gathering, or going to sleep for the last time in the loving embrace of someone who cares.

The challenge comes when some people's mental health makes love, or even appropriate social behaviour, a mere intellectual concept. Hence their output may come across as mechanical or soulless - sometimes bringing politics or method info into a goodbye thread, for example. Maybe they need love most of all? Or perhaps we should better enforce higher standards of respect for others. Or the loving thing could be to let them be. You decide.

This was perfect and I think encapsulated what a lot of us feel, thank you.

 

[howl pendragon]

I identify myself as pro-choice aswell, and I can relate so much with your words!

I'm not here to talk about methods much tho, because I do not feel confortable doing so. But my way of giving back for the knoledge I've acquired, is to try to validate people's feelings and experiences as much as I can, and always look for a "middle way" when expressing my opinion.

In my view, my pro-choice position is to encourage people to make a decision in the best way possible. If you want to stay, let it not be because of a forced toxic positivism of "it will get better, it will pass". Really choose it, own your decision. Live by it. Grab your strengt in it. And if you want to leave, if you can have a moment of peace to make your decision, that could ease the weight of your heart. Give you peace to say goodbye. Make it your own and only decision, knowing only you hold that power. And maybe that will bring some peace for your final moments.

Above all, that IS all we wish for. Peace. Rest. Conciliation. Love. Thank you for sharing, @Unwr!tten

And you too, @Pluto , I'm quite new here, but I always enjoy to read your insights.

 

[Unwr!tten]

Well spoken. I've tried to express a similar sentiment before but it always ends up an overly verbose monologue.

Love is the perfect guiding principle here rather than a particular political stance. In this sense, I'd define love as wishing well for others with no other agenda.

Some people are here in desperation over a distressing situation. A loving response might give them validation, share similar experiences or offer genuinely constructive suggestions for overcoming the hardship. (Not generic silliness like, 'You have so much to live for.')

If all else fails and a suicide is to be completed, what people want is the closest thing possible to a deathbed gathering, or going to sleep for the last time in the loving embrace of someone who cares.

The challenge comes when some people's mental health makes love, or even appropriate social behaviour, a mere intellectual concept. Hence their output may come across as mechanical or soulless - sometimes bringing politics or method info into a goodbye thread, for example. Maybe they need love most of all? Or perhaps we should better enforce higher standards of respect for others. Or the loving thing could be to let them be. You decide.

Respect! Yes, that should be something we hold in high regard.

In the grand scheme of things, that's all anyone wants here. Even if they struggle to love or be loved, everyone wants to be respected and that's what we should focus on.

I love everyone here and because of that, I try to be respectful (albeit, I have had outbursts but those were just in moments where I had really big feelings). I disagree vehemently with some here, but even so, I've never once said that those I disagree with were any less deserving of love than I or anyone else is and I think that's what's important.

Lets not treat people how we want to be treated

Lets treat people how THEY want to be treated.

—With Love

 

[PurpleParadigm]

I wanna share my story a bit.

So, as sone of you already know, I'm a disabled Female living in the United States. I've been suicidal for a decade and a half now and I am pro-choice. I believe that anyone who is born has the right to die, just as any fetus has the right to life. I believe that the physical choice should be given to those who are either terminally ill, in severe chronic mental or physical agony and any adult who has a developed brain and can understand and make the choice for themselves.

All this fighting I've seen has honestly made me more depressed and sad than I was before because we are all struggling and I know that that can make things really hard. I want you all to know that even if I disagree with you, I love you, every single one of you and I just want you to be happy and if your beliefs make you happy then that's okay, I just wish we didn't have to fight about it. I don't know where I'm going with this really, but I wish we didn't have to fight because some are pro-death and accusing everyone of being pro-life and vice versa.

I'm sorry if in expressing my feelings I've hurt any of you.

Your message deserves an award, not sure what that reward would be called, but for sure a really great and positive one!

I have struggled with depression, anxiety and suicidal ideation for probably around 15-20 years. My beliefs are pro-choice as prevention does not work, as it also prevents any good practice to form around suicide/assisted dying and causes people to suffer even more.

 

[Embalmer]

I wanna share my story a bit.

So, as sone of you already know, I'm a disabled Female living in the United States. I've been suicidal for a decade and a half now and I am pro-choice. I believe that anyone who is born has the right to die, just as any fetus has the right to life. I believe that the physical choice should be given to those who are either terminally ill, in severe chronic mental or physical agony and any adult who has a developed brain and can understand and make the choice for themselves.

All this fighting I've seen has honestly made me more depressed and sad than I was before because we are all struggling and I know that that can make things really hard. I want you all to know that even if I disagree with you, I love you, every single one of you and I just want you to be happy and if your beliefs make you happy then that's okay, I just wish we didn't have to fight about it. I don't know where I'm going with this really, but I wish we didn't have to fight because some are pro-death and accusing everyone of being pro-life and vice versa.

I'm sorry if in expressing my feelings I've hurt any of you.

Much love to you as well, I'm also pro-choice and wish that we were allowed to voice our own opinions/concerns without being told we're simply "pro-life". This site talks about complicated topics with some having no real "correct" or "moral" answer, fighting about viewpoints gets us nowhere at all, I respect everyone's viewpoints as long as it's their own and not pushed onto others who don't agree.

 

[Unwr!tten]

I think if you're happy, good for you, I'm so happy you have the strength and willpower to find joy in living.

If you're suicidal but want recovery? Okay, let's work on some resources to help you find the peace and joy you long for.

If you're unsure, let's talk things through, let's exhaust all you're options.

If you're at the end of your rope and ready to go? You deserve a peaceful method that will bring you peace and many people around to love and support you on your journey.

Life isn't about concretes, but it's about uncertainties and unknowns, it's about baby steps and faith and longing and no matter what anyone chooses, I hope they find love and respect within the peace they long for.

 

[unnormal9]

A. Don't care.
B. Middle ground.
C. Whatever

 

[Unwr!tten]

A. Don't care.
B. Middle ground.
C. Whatever

Hey, can we please keep this thread positive? I understand your expressing you're thoughts and I really appreciate that, but I'm trying to help everyone feel a little better and heal after the fighting.

Thank you.

 

[unnormal9]

Toxic positivity? Later.

 

[Unwr!tten]

Toxic positivity? Later.

No, just a kind request. It's not toxic if it's helping people. I'm being really kind to you, so can you please not post in my threads. Please, I am asking nicely.

 

[unnormal9]

And they said FC see this forum is her own territory. But that user is gone now.

 

[Unwr!tten]

And they said FC see this forum is her own territory. But that user is gone now.

Yes, and I will not be commenting in her threads any longer. You're correct that it's not my place to fight her and I'm not any longer. So, please leave this thread.

 

[unnormal9]

Yes, and I will not be commenting in her threads any longer. You're correct that it's not my place to fight her and I'm not any longer. So, please leave this thread.

That went right over your head. The forum is not your territory either. A public thread, all posters. Want private? Your profile = personal journal.

 

[Unwr!tten]

Well, I tried, I'm going to go cry now.

 

[SoftWorries]

I'm pro-choice.

I respect everyone's right to die. When someone says, "This is too much goodbye," I wish them well with every bit of my heart.

When I was working in palliative care a lot of people were under 'comfort care'. That meant that they didn't want any medical intervention and instead wanted to be at peace as they died.

Every type of person on here deserves that comfort. Those who are certain about CTB and come to say goodbye, those who want to CTB but can't yet, those who don't want to but feel driven to it, those who go back and forth between wanting to and not, and those in recovery. Each person deserves the same support and comfort.

 

[PrisonBreak]

I am pro choice. As a sufferer of multiple diagnosed and undiagnosed illnesses, I understand how it feels to not ever want to wake up and face another day of misery. But even so, I do not have a negative notion of life as a whole. I do not see life as "the problem itself and death being the only solution to all problems". I don't see anyone as being "delusional" for being suicidal and also being positive about life simultaneously. I think there's a balance. Some people live and thrive while others suffer(sadly).

With that being said, I believe everyone has the right to voice their opinion with respect of others. Everyone has the right to die if they wish. We don't all agree with one another and that's okay.

Goodluck @Unwr!tten and I wish you well.

 

[Embalmer]

Well, I tried, I'm going to go cry now.

Just ignore that person, you did nothing wrong I'm sorry they're being rude to you for literally just trying to spread positivity. They're the toxic one, not you.

 

[Source Energy]

Just ignore that person, you did nothing wrong I'm sorry they're being rude to you for literally just trying to spread positivity. They're the toxic one, not you.

I notice that poster is antagonizing on most threads. The Ignore button seems like a good idea.

 

[SexyIncél]

Well, I tried, I'm going to go cry now.

Hey. It's all good, I thought your intervention went wonderfully! I feel places like this offer an important lesson: be chill with certain people. Some have asperger's, borderline, whatever. They say things normally censored in normie society, thus initially shocking. Then it fades

They're here like the rest of us, coping with this universe's mundanity and cruelty. Otherwise they'd be miserable alone. When someone responds to me something like:
A. Don't care.
B. Middle ground.
C. Whatever

... maybe it's best for me to sigh, wonder curiously about mental states leading to such posts, maybe appreciate the humor. Delete my foolish half-response and move on

My personal recommendation: just get pissed when people unnecessarily beat on underdogs. That compass tends to work. Just keep in mind you'll make some outraged enemies when you intervene. This universe makes even tiny things difficult to achieve