Privileged people have got it better, by and large.

[niki wonoto]

Privilege doesn't mean anything when you've got chronic pain/illness/disease. Illness is probably the only 'equalizer' between the rich & poors, the privileged & not. Because illness attack ALL of us; there's always a possibility that ANY one of us (human beings) can get sick really badly. That's just the reality.

Also, the word 'privilege' can have a very broad range. Would a middle-class also be called 'privileged', in the eyes of the lower-class? Then again, the middle-class people can look at the upper-class people as being 'privileged'. This is also based from my own personal experience.

 

[sundown12]

i agree. it's silly to me when musicians/actors complain about their lives. i know that privilege comes with its own set of problems, but if i could have a career where i can express myself creatively like they do and get a LOT of money for it, my heart would never feel empty. i think sharing your unique talents with the world is the ultimate purpose, and the ultimate privilege.

 

[Littlewittlelight]

Well there are degrees of privilege, if you look. Being chauffeured in a Cadillac limousine engenders an absolute state of ecstacy in me. I just can't help it. Wealth, I mean real wealth,(hundreds of millions or billions), that is wealth. Imagine being able to fly any where in the world, whenever you wanted.There have been movie stars and singers who cry about being sexually abused as young stars, by producers and managers. There have been very wealthy families where the dad did kinky things to his sons,(see the Melendez or Mendez bros). Kurt Cobain had some of what I want, blond, blue and rich,yet he took himself out. I could just scream at God for that one. "YOU GAVE KURT what I wanted!" He couldn't handle it, please God do it to me in my next life, I mean like damn, I couldn't have that?! Same with being a child actor or rock star. Let each if you who see my words this day testify before god when you ctb, that I under my site name of majethepainstop, I swear upon my very soul, I would accept sex abuse as long as I can reincarnate into a wealthy family, and be an actor or rock star. I'm sorry if that is offensive,but I love wealth, as a saint loves Christ. As long as my abusers don't do permanent physical damage, leave marks or cause bleeding, I will handle it. Rich rant over.

Sounds good THC buddy.

 

[LastFlowers]

Now, I am not saying that being born into a life of privileged doesn't have its own set of problems, but coming from a stable family, in a good community with great friends is a brilliant start in life. I didn't have any of that growing up and it has definitely added to my mental problems and suicidality. Anybody else feel similar?

It's 100% true obviously but don't expect many people to own up to their privileges in life, or the fact that such advantages greatly benefited them/mitigated their harm and woes.

I've had grueling arguments with people (here and elsewhere) who go so far as to paint their privilege as THE problem, or something worse or equal to a disadvantage.
It's disgusting.
I want to rip my remaining hair out of my head every time I see it.
Privilege blinds people to what life is like without said privilege.
It's wasted on them.
Like youth on the young.
The people who are usually willing to appreciate a privilege-and acknowledge the disparity between those who possess it and those who don't-are those who lived without the privilege.
Or those rare birds who got a taste of both worlds (not many who claim to be in such a position actually are).


The privileged seldom allow themselves to be labeled as "better off". They scoff at what they have and diminish its importance.
The more significant the privilege..the more those who have it deny its significance.
It's extremely disrespectful and insulting to those who suffer and beg for death for the sole reason of being without what another person had handed to them on a silver platter.
It's like people with a full stomach who can't accept that others' whole lives revolve around procuring their next meal (because they're fucking starving).
People who can readily feast ironically don't put much stock into food, they never had to fight for it or wince as they felt the sensation of their own body eating itself.
So they don't know and they don't have to know..thus they don't care.
It doesn't affect them, and yet they cannot see that their incensed reaction to being told they're better off is precisely because they're better off.
What a joke.

i agree. it's silly to me when musicians/actors complain about their lives. i know that privilege comes with its own set of problems, but if i could have a career where i can express myself creatively like they do and get a LOT of money for it, my heart would never feel empty. i think sharing your unique talents with the world is the ultimate purpose, and the ultimate privilege.

"Own set of problems" ..careful..they'll take that line and run with it lol.

It's like someone with both their hands complaining to a handless person that having hands "comes with its own problems".
I mean, technically they might be right..but what the hell does that even mean.
It makes it sound like being handless is equal to having both hands…which is an insane thing to assert.

 

[Arvinneedstodie]

Privilege doesn't mean anything when you've got chronic pain/illness/disease. Illness is probably the only 'equalizer' between the rich & poors, the privileged & not. Because illness attack ALL of us; there's always a possibility that ANY one of us (human beings) can get sick really badly. That's just the reality.

Also, the word 'privilege' can have a very broad range. Would a middle-class also be called 'privileged', in the eyes of the lower-class? Then again, the middle-class people can look at the upper-class people as being 'privileged'. This is also based from my own personal experience.

Being rich while sick beats being poor while sick 100 million times. The amount of money determines the quality of doctors, treatments, and care can you receive. Money means you can hire help at every step of the way to make things a whole lot easier. The stress of not having money makes illnesses worse. Money means doors that are closed shut for most will open for you. Money means options, opportunities, social opportunities, power, confidence, and just real big things that determine your quality of life, even while sick, especially while sick.

I am someone who was neglected and malnourished growing up, i suffer from multiple chronic illnesses that are high maintenance and dimish quality of life drastically. I am also quite poor, having just enough financial support from family to stay alive. Forget quality of life, I struggle just to buy the right food to properly nourish my body. Having lots of money can literally transform my life experience. Fk anyone rich who say money doesn't matter, give me all your money and I'll believe you, but only you.

 

[SamTam33]

It's 100% true obviously but don't expect many people to own up to their privileges in life, or the fact that such advantages greatly benefited them/mitigated their harm and woes.

I've had grueling arguments with people (here and elsewhere) who go so far as to paint their privilege as THE problem, or something worse or equal to a disadvantage.
It's disgusting.
I want to rip my remaining hair out of my head every time I see it.
Privilege blinds people to what life is like without said privilege.
It's wasted on them.
Like youth on the young.
The people who are usually willing to appreciate a privilege-and acknowledge the disparity between those who possess it and those who don't-are those who lived without the privilege.
Or those rare birds who got a taste of both worlds (not many who claim to be in such a position actually are).


The privileged seldom allow themselves to be labeled as "better off". They scoff at what they have and diminish its importance.
The more significant the privilege..the more those who have it deny its significance.
It's extremely disrespectful and insulting to those who suffer and beg for death for the sole reason of being without what another person had handed to them on a silver platter.
It's like people with a full stomach who can't accept that others' whole lives revolve around procuring their next meal (because they're fucking starving).
People who can readily feast ironically don't put much stock into food, they never had to fight for it or wince as they felt the sensation of their own body eating itself.
So they don't know and they don't have to know..thus they don't care.
It doesn't affect them, and yet they cannot see that their incensed reaction to being told they're better off is precisely because they're better off.
What a joke.

"Own set of problems" ..careful..they'll take that line and run with it lol.

It's like someone with both their hands complaining to a handless person that having hands "comes with its own problems".
I mean, technically they might be right..but what the hell does that even mean.
It makes it sound like being handless is equal to having both hands…which is an insane thing to assert.

This is so perfectly stated.

No one is saying well-off people don't have problems. But imagine having those same problems while being poor.

I grew up in a slum, in abject poverty. But if a kid who grew up homeless, with no roof over their head - tells me that I was better off than them, how foolish of me to object or push back with a, "Well actually..."

I don't know why it's so difficult for some to accept. Maybe they feel like acknowledging the privilege somehow invalidates their experiences.

We weren't all born into equal circumstances. How is that not abundantly evident?

 

[makethepainstop]

i agree. it's silly to me when musicians/actors complain about their lives. i know that privilege comes with its own set of problems, but if i could have a career where i can express myself creatively like they do and get a LOT of money for it, my heart would never feel empty. i think sharing your unique talents with the world is the ultimate purpose, and the ultimate privilege.

You and me both! How I would love such a life. And they better make damn sure my limousine is a Cadillac and not a Lincoln!

 

[niki wonoto]

Being rich while sick beats being poor while sick 100 million times. The amount of money determines the quality of doctors, treatments, and care can you receive. Money means you can hire help at every step of the way to make things a whole lot easier. The stress of not having money makes illnesses worse. Money means doors that are closed shut for most will open for you. Money means options, opportunities, social opportunities, power, confidence, and just real big things that determine your quality of life, even while sick, especially while sick.

I am someone who was neglected and malnourished growing up, i suffer from multiple chronic illnesses that are high maintenance and dimish quality of life drastically. I am also quite poor, having just enough financial support from family to stay alive. Forget quality of life, I struggle just to buy the right food to properly nourish my body. Having lots of money can literally transform my life experience. Fk anyone rich who say money doesn't matter, give me all your money and I'll believe you, but only you.

Ok, fair enough.

Again, as I've stated above though, let me actually repeat it again here:

Also, the word 'privilege' can have a very broad range. Would a middle-class also be called 'privileged', in the eyes of the lower-class? Then again, the middle-class people can look at the upper-class people as being 'privileged'. This is also based from my own personal experience.

I admit that I was born from the middle-to-just-slightly-upper class family background, but still not the "crazy rich" upper-class one.
But now, due to many financial/business mistakes that my dad kept making, we're now kinda stuck tbh in middle-to-lower class position/situation now, which I admit, even I myself have felt tremendous loss & lack of opportunities & freedom, from where I used to be when I was much younger and "life was still happy as a privileged/spoiled kid".

The saddest thing is now my youngest brother got a chronic pain of coccydynia (coccyx/tailbone area pain), since his car accident in 2017, which makes him can't sit down, & in pain, & can't do much in his everyday's life. And it's very frustrating of how after many treatments etc etc, his tailbone/coccyx pain just only getting worse. But now, since our family's financial situation is also not as good as back then when we were much younger, even we're now confused & feel 'trapped' by the expensive medical/doctor treatments, even to just go to the nearest country (Malaysia/Penang) for allegedly better medical treatments. We've spent so much money on his chronic pain, but it's all without any good results. It's frustrating, stressful, & frankly, depressing for me & my family/parents.

So yeah, even I myself have often got envious of those 'richer' (upper-class) people, whose money seems not to be a problem/issue at all, so they can just go travel overseas anywhere to check-up & got their best medical treatments (which is why I also agree with @LastFlowers 's comment above, because I also feel & think exactly the same).

But you see, that's actually my point too, on my comment above: so where is the fine line on determining who is the 'privileged' one?
I mean, even I admit that I'm probably already quite 'privileged' enough, but yet, I know that I'm still NOT 'privileged' enough too like all those richer people (or especially all those "crazy rich" people). You get my point?

So yeah, even *I* can sometimes feel 'guilty' for thinking that my life is already quite 'privileged' (or even 'spoiled' enough in my 'comfort zone'), but yet, I also still feel envious tbh of my 'richer' friends, or cousins, etc etc etc, whose again money doesn't seem like much of an issue for them, and therefore it makes their lives much more easier for anything.

i agree. it's silly to me when musicians/actors complain about their lives. i know that privilege comes with its own set of problems, but if i could have a career where i can express myself creatively like they do and get a LOT of money for it, my heart would never feel empty. i think sharing your unique talents with the world is the ultimate purpose, and the ultimate privilege.

Yet you see some celebrities, actors, & 'successful' musicians still ctb/killed themselves.

Like I've always said repeatedly on this forum: Anything can happen in life, even the most ironic, tragic, or even the most 'ridiculous/stupid' reasons that people finally choose to ctb/suicide. So what can you even do about it? Nothing.

Depression (& suicide) can happen to everyone. Not just the 'poor' people (again, I've argued about this on my comment on the previous page. I've given real example/proof of how here in my country (Indonesia), although still a developing country, with a lot of poor people, yet our happiness index is still quite high, ironically, compared to even the developed countries eg: Japan, Korea, and yes, even 'first-world' country like America/U.S).

So things are not as simple as black & white.

 

[makethepainstop]

Ok, fair enough.

Again, as I've stated above though, let me actually repeat it again here:



I admit that I was born from the middle-to-just-slightly-upper class family background, but still not the "crazy rich" upper-class one.
But now, due to many financial/business mistakes that my dad kept making, we're now kinda stuck tbh in middle-to-lower class position/situation now, which I admit, even I myself have felt tremendous loss & lack of opportunities & freedom, from where I used to be when I was much younger and "life was still happy as a privileged/spoiled kid".

The saddest thing is now my youngest brother got a chronic pain of coccydynia (coccyx/tailbone area pain), since his car accident in 2017, which makes him can't sit down, & in pain, & can't do much in his everyday's life. And it's very frustrating of how after many treatments etc etc, his tailbone/coccyx pain just only getting worse. But now, since our family's financial situation is also not as good as back then when we were much younger, even we're now confused & feel 'trapped' by the expensive medical/doctor treatments, even to just go to the nearest country (Malaysia/Penang) for allegedly better medical treatments. We've spent so much money on his chronic pain, but it's all without any good results. It's frustrating, stressful, & frankly, depressing for me & my family/parents.

So yeah, even I myself have often got envious of those 'richer' (upper-class) people, whose money seems not to be a problem/issue at all, so they can just go travel overseas anywhere to check-up & got their best medical treatments (which is why I also agree with @LastFlowers 's comment above, because I also feel & think exactly the same).

But you see, that's actually my point too, on my comment above: so where is the fine line on determining who is the 'privileged' one?
I mean, even I admit that I'm probably already quite 'privileged' enough, but yet, I know that I'm still NOT 'privileged' enough too like all those richer people (or especially all those "crazy rich" people). You get my point?

So yeah, even *I* can sometimes feel 'guilty' for thinking that my life is already quite 'privileged' (or even 'spoiled' enough in my 'comfort zone'), but yet, I also still feel envious tbh of my 'richer' friends, or cousins, etc etc etc, whose again money doesn't seem like much of an issue for them, and therefore it makes their lives much more easier for anything.

Yet you see some celebrities, actors, & 'successful' musicians still ctb/killed themselves.

Like I've always said repeatedly on this forum: Anything can happen in life, even the most ironic, tragic, or even the most 'ridiculous/stupid' reasons that people finally choose to ctb/suicide. So what can you even do about it? Nothing.

Depression (& suicide) can happen to everyone. Not just the 'poor' people (again, I've argued about this on my comment on the previous page. I've given real example/proof of how here in my country (Indonesia), although still a developing country, with a lot of poor people, yet our happiness index is still quite high, ironically, compared to even the developed countries eg: Japan, Korea, and yes, even 'first-world' country like America/U.S).

So things are not as simple as black & white.

For me things are simple as black, white, and green. Give me the beautiful green dollars, Or let me me make money as an actor, singer, or musician. Among those of us who love money there is not found a single hypocrite!

 

[onetapgandhi]

And sometimes the privilege is just a normal fucking life. Just a normal life. For most of us here, a normal life would solve all the problems that have pushed us to this sunken state of mind. Some of us here are sick, some were abused, some were manipulated by parents, family, friends, relatives etc. When talking privilege, we don't talk millionaires or money here. We just talk about a normal chance at life

 

[highmaintenancebolt]

Free good quality healthcare, food and education should be given to everyone and could be. Sadly good parents can not be guaranteed.

Yes. My parents provide all of those for me. I get free food, they pay all my medical bills, they gave me my own room, and I have a scholarship that covers 100% of my tuition. I have no debts and no responsibilities other than school. I believe everyone should have these things. Everyone should have access to housing, free healthcare, free education, and food. Unfortunately the pro-lifers seem to also be the same people that oppose all those things cause they don't actually care about you. They just want to say that they do so that they can convince themselves that they're good people when in reality they are some of the most vile people on the planet.

However, despite having all the basic necessities, I also have never had friends and been alone for my entire 22 years of my life. I have a severe anxiety disorder and will never be able to make meaningful interactions with other people. I've spent a total of more than a month of my life in mental institutions and I will probably end up in one again. Those places are horrible and I do not want to go back. Yea, I might graduate college eventually and maybe push through my anxiety to somehow get a job. What after that? I don't have any dreams. What would I be working towards? It all seems pointless to me. When I was a kid I had a dream to get the best gaming computer ever and now I have it. 12900k, 3080 Ti, and DDR5. And now that I have it I have zero interest in using it. I no longer enjoy any of the games I used to play and trying new ones seems exhausting. I don't enjoy anything anymore. I already got the thing I wanted most in life and I don't have the desire to enjoy it. I don't know what I'm supposed to be working towards now. I have no interest in anything else. If I don't die soon then I will spend another 60 years on this planet alone and without purpose.