Method Poll: Selecting a method of making SN (to make a guide on)

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Hello!
I'm working on making a guide on making SN with much less restricted stuff, due to the recent raids and welfare checks.

Working with an associate, we have devised the following methods of creating sodium nitrite with sodium nitrate.

Method 1: Lead
The most common method of creating sodium nitrite right now, is by oxidizing lead to create sodium nitrite and lead oxide. (2 NaNO3 + Pb ⟶ 2 NaNO2 + PbO2) A problem of this reaction is that it is quite difficult to get rid of the lead from the solution of sodium nitrite and lead oxide. Lead is poisonous for some quite obvious reasons. However, considering the purpose which I imagine this solution to be used, it might not be a problem.

Method 2: Aluminium
A different option of creating sodium nitrite is with aluminium. Aluminium can be found in everyday objects, such as aluminium foil, which has (in general) 98% aluminium and is food safe. To create sodium nitrite, we oxidize the aluminium with the sodium nitrate solution. (3 NaNO3 + 2 Al ⟶ 3 NaNO2 + Al2O3) A drawback to this method is that aluminium tastes terrible and isn't pure, so it might have some byproducts including iron and silicon. Aluminium oxide, if I recall correctly, is food safe though.

Method 3: Hydrogen
Hydrogen is another possibility. When pressurized hydrogen is run through a system involving high energy molecules of sodium nitrate, the hydrogen would (in theory, like everything else here) react with sodium nitrate, to create dihydrogen monoxide and sodium nitrite. The advantages of this method is that there is no toxic byproduct, since we can evaporate the dihydrogen monoxide, to just leave pure sodium nitrite. In addition, as we all (hopefully) know, dihydrogen monoxide is not poisonous nor unsafe as we all drink it in the form of water. However, this process requires hydrogen, which is quite hard for the average individual to obtain, along with some extra equipment. Also, it is strongly exothermic, so it is a burn hazard.

Clarification: Although I have repetitively mentioned that there are impurities, you can always filter and I will include a guide to filtering the solution so you get much purer sodium nitrate.

Since I only have the funds to experiment and create a guide for a single one of these methods (lab chemicals are expensive), I am opening a poll for these three methods.
Personally, I believe that method 1 and 2 has the highest chance of success, although my associate mentioned method 3 as well as a possibility.
The methods are all designed to be able to be conducted by an average individual with minimal past chemistry experience.
Since we can technically use any cation for this, so if anyone here has any other ideas, let us know!

 

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How pure do these methods make the SN?
Also what state of matter will the SN be in?

 

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How pure do these methods make the SN?

Not quite pure, since there's the byproducts unless if it's the hydrogen one (near 100%), or if you filter (depending on how many times you filter). But even if you don't filter, the byproducts shouldn't be an issue since you can just dissolve the right amount to achieve the right concentration, and then consume that.

 

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I've bought everything that I need for the aluminium guide already. After some thought, I have decided that I will be making guides on all three methods. On further thought, what's a better way to test the method then to consume it myself? If it works I can set up a timed post to say "Oh hey, it worked"!

Not quite pure, since there's the byproducts unless if it's the hydrogen one (near 100%), or if you filter (depending on how many times you filter). But even if you don't filter, the byproducts shouldn't be an issue since you can just dissolve the right amount to achieve the right concentration, and then consume that.

So some update on this, it looks like that aluminium oxide isn't soluble at all but SN is, so what I'm thinking is that I buy some harm reduction filters that people use to filter and inject recreational drugs to filter out the aluminium oxide, so we can get some very reasonable purities. Also I found a contact that I can send a sample to, and they can do a test with a FTIR spectrometer.

I'm also not quire sure on what you mean by "state of matter". The final product will be a solid.

 

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Hmmm. I could be wrong here but I'd say the purchase of nitrate could well look suspicious to authorities. I know someone here got a visit from police because they had been (wrongly) informed that the person had purchased nitrate (when they actually purchased nitrite) and they were worried he might be building explosives. Still- you sound much more knowledgable than me. Just thought I'd mention it...

 

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Method 3: Hydrogen

There is already a guide for that.

 

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Hmmm. I could be wrong here but I'd say the purchase of nitrate could well look suspicious to authorities. I know someone here got a visit from police because they had been (wrongly) informed that the person had purchased nitrate (when they actually purchased nitrite) and they were worried he might be building explosives. Still- you sound much more knowledgable than me. Just thought I'd mention it...

Although it is possible to create IEDs out of sodium nitrate, for obvious reasons I won't say how, but you can create IEDs out of practically anything. Also, it's really easy to make sodium nitrate out of sodium hydroxide and ammonium nitrate.

There is already a guide for that.

If you're okay with an exit bag hydrogen is enough, but I've been thinking of writing my guide to be on making sodium nitrite with hydrogen and sodium nitrate.

 

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2 or getting it out of curing salts that have trace SN. Thank you, watching with interest.

 

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2 or getting it out of curing salts that have trace SN. Thank you, watching with interest.

Ooh, I haven't quite considered curing salts. IIRC curing salts has really really low levels of SN, but you can get the SN by putting the curing salts on a hot plate, set to 275C. 275C is enough to melt sodium nitrite (271 melting point, decomposes at 320 so be careful), but not sodium nitrate (308C) nor the salt. (801C). Once it's melted you can put it through some really really heat resistant filter and you're done. If you think it's a good idea, I can write a section for this method as well.

 

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Hmmm. I could be wrong here but I'd say the purchase of nitrate could well look suspicious to authorities. I know someone here got a visit from police because they had been (wrongly) informed that the person had purchased nitrate (when they actually purchased nitrite) and they were worried he might be building explosives. Still- you sound much more knowledgable than me. Just thought I'd mention it...

So on this, you can easily trick chemical vendors that you are a company. All you need to do is register a business (70 dollars and literally 0 paperwork where I live) and tell them that you represent your own business. I've gotten myself a business thermo fisher account this way. Although I'm not yet sure if they would let you buy something frequently used for catching the bus.

 

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I made the guide! https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...acquiring-sodium-nitrite.119040/#post-1999988

It should be easy enough to follow for most people, using only regular, household ingredients.