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Do you trust Germany enough to let it become the leading power in Europe?

  • Yes, I trust Germany a lot Germans have learned from past mistakes..

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • No, I don't trust Germany enough for it to become the leader within Europe

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • I am not sure. There are good arguments for both positions.

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Total voters
    5
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noname223

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Aug 18, 2020
6,755
Germany always was in a weird spot after 1945. Too strong for being just an average member of the EU but not strong enough to be a global power. There were attempts to cut Germany's power to prevent another war caused by aggression and resentment. After WW1 one thought Germany had to be stripped of territory, wealth and drowned it in debts. After WW2 there were plans to make Germany an agrarian state but the Wester allies agreed on the Marshall plan to integrate Germany in the world economy. The friendship with France grew and it is now one of our closest allies.

To make it short. Do you trust Germany? I think I already posted a similar thread whether people think Germany could become a Nazi country again. Recently, the polish foreign miniter said something like he doesn't fear a strong Germany instead he fears a weak Germany. Due to the fact Russia is now the enemy.
Righ-wing populists are on the rise in Europe. And many of them sympathize with Russia. For strategical purposes but also because of ideological allignments. Some of my friends consider to leave the country when an AfD politician becomes chancellor. 2029 will be the next regular election. Some analysts predict this will be the last election before an AfD chancellor becomes inevitable. And then 2033 one hundred years after Hitler became chancelllor history might repeat itself. Some Germans want to prohibit the AfD. Most intellectuals argue against that. When reading the most popular newspapers the firewall seems to crumble already. Even though the AfD radicalizes itself more and more. I certainly wouldn't trust an AfD government if I was Poland, France, Netherlands etc. The AfD is among the right-wing populists in Europe very extreme. It seems unlikely we will immediately start a world war. But the policies would be reactionary. Maybe reparations would be questioned. They want to rethink the culture of remembrance. Germany wouldn't be a safe place for jews anymore. Moreover, there are already right-wing extremists within the institutions (police and military). This trend would continue. There were many scandals within the last years.

One reason in favor of a strong Germany would be the deterrance of Russia. At the same time ,Germany under the AfD could ally with Russia aganst the rest of Europe. Maybe together with Hungary. I hope Orban loses the next election.

In my opinion as a German despite all these doubts I am in favor of a strong Germany. And with strong I don't mean supplying Israel with ammunition for their genocide. I don't see an alternative. Germany has more time as long as the AfD isn't part of the government. In France this could happen earlier with Le Pen's party. If we cannot rely on the US Europeans have to deal with Russia. There are some investments in the German economy and infrastructute though many experts agree that a lot of potential is wasted. I think the best thing Germany can do is trying to boost the economy, invest into its own military and even more important enocurage other allies to support Ukraine in its defensive war against Russia. The Ukrainians are experienced, are willed to do sacrifices, they use the newest military technologies. Ukraine is an important asset in the European defense strategy. Russia's economy relies in the war. Without the war Russia would be in a recession and there is a real risk that after Ukraine a baltic state will be next. I will end it here.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I don't trust any country that tries to become a world power. Although, I suppose all countries are fighting for their place.