Police Visit from SN Purchase

[_smile_]

Hey there
First, I know a lot of others have already experienced this, but I thought I would share my encounter. Second, for those who did experience a visit from the authorities, I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

I'm from the US.

Like others, police came at 1am. Woke my husband and me up. They said the FBI contacted them regarding a "suicide kit" I purchased from Canada (I chuckled at the word "kit." Throw in some benzos and meto into the package and then I'd call it a kit). I told them it wasn't a suicide kit and it was for curing meats; a type of salt. They asked if I had it still and my dumbass said yes and of course I had to go get it. Then they started questioning whether I have any mental health history and once I said yes, the cop made up his mind to send me to the hospital. At that point, I stopped lying.

Had to take a fucking ambulance ($$$) to the hospital where I spent 11 hours sitting on a bed, in the hallway of the ER, because there weren't any rooms available. I had to have a fucking "sitter" that had to watch my every move. I couldn't even use the bathroom by myself or have a gown that had strings to tie.
Side note: Sitting in the hallway by the nurses station and listening to them talk shit about mental health patients made me lose a lot of respect for health care workers

Anyway, finally spoke to a social worker for my psych eval and by the grace of god I was able to talk my way out of being admitted to the hospital.
After being awake for 28+ hours and not eating, I went home, showered, ate some cereal and went to sleep. Only be woken up again by the police banging on the door!! It was like deja vu. They wanted to ask more questions about IC. Luckily I already knew everything going on with IC and could be "forthcoming" with info. So funny though, I knew more about the investigation than they did. Fucking idiots. And don't get me started on the lack of knowledge the paramedics had. Cops also asked why I wasn't committed…assholes.

Been suffering in silence so had to tell my husband about everything. He was understanding at least. But this all fucked me up in a way I have not yet felt before. I had never been hospitalized before. And even though I wasn't actually admitted, it was still a bit traumatic. And now I no longer have an out.

To everyone, I wish you find peace and I wish you luck in whatever you do

 

[Letgo]

I am sorry you had to go through this... hugs and keeping you in my thoughts.

 

[sylver]

Remember to talk to the police as little as possible if anything like this happens again. I'm not sure what it's like in your area but surely they can't force themselves on you without a warrant? If you are obliged to cooperate, say that you didn't place the order for that package and that you've since thrown it away.

If you're wealthy enough, do not talk to the police under any circumstance without a lawyer present.

 

[msocks]

Wow that's such BS. You weren't alone and you were in the middle of sleeping, not CTB. And yet the cop decides to send you in an ambulance at your expense to a hospital just because you have a history of mental illness. Unnecessary much?

Even in BFE where I'm at in the US, the local community mental health centers have mobile crisis units. Why can't police contact them to come out or do telehealth? Especially since they knew in advance why they were coming out???

And they came back and had the nerve to ask why you hadn't been involuntarily committed? Fantastic job there Mr. Cop.

I'm sorry you had to go through all that. It's horrible and demeaning. At least you were able to open up to your husband about it and he was understanding. Hugs

 

[betternever2havbeen]

That's really awful I'm so sorry. Feel for everyone getting these visits. I understand completely how vulnerable you must feel right now. Good your husband has been understanding about it all but horrible thing to have to go through.

 

[Source Energy]

Remember to talk to the police as little as possible if anything like this happens again. I'm not sure what it's like in your area but surely they can't force themselves on you without a warrant? If you are obliged to cooperate, say that you didn't place the order for that package and that you've since thrown it away.

If you're wealthy enough, do not talk to the police under any circumstance without a lawyer present.

If you say you didn't place the order - can't they prove that you are lying since you used a credit card with your name and address and it was shipped to you?

Yes definitely do not let them in without warrant. Evoke the 4th Amendment - the right to feel safe in your person, your property and your belongings. You bought a product that is not illegal. You are under no obligation to discuss why. You haven't hurt anyone. You are not suicidal, and if you were, suicide is not a crime in the United States. None of their business. Threaten to get a civil right attorney and sue if they don't leave. Be polite, but firm.

And for Gawd's sake, get that SN safe somewhere out of the house...in worst case scenario.

 

[sylver]

If you say you didn't place the order - can't they prove that you are lying since you used a credit card with your name and address and it was shipped to you?

Yes definitely do not let them in without warrant. Evoke the 4th Amendment - the right to feel safe in your person, your property and your belongings. You bought a product that is not illegal. You are under no obligation to discuss why. You haven't hurt anyone. You are not suicidal, and if you were, suicide is not a crime in the United States. None of their business. Threaten to get a civil right attorney and sue if they don't leave. Be polite, but firm.

And for Gawd's sake, get that SN safe somewhere out of the house...in worse case scenario.

Depends on how you bought it. They definitely don't have access to your bank records wihout a specific warrant so I guess you can risk it and lie. I doubt they would put up much of a fight to prove you actually did buy it.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I'm sorry this happened to you. I've had similar experiences before. All of this is forced on people ostensibly in their "best interest" but aside from some scattered outliers no one involved in the process actually gives a damn if you die or not. As you saw. I wss left with the same disillusionment as you did.

I'm sorry the SN was confiscated but I'm happy you managed to avoid hospitalization. Still even the taste that you got was certainly traumatizing. Nothing is more distinctively American than foisting traumatizing, unwanted "care" on people then charging a ton of money for it.

 

[Source Energy]

Depends on how you bought it. They definitely don't have access to your bank records wihout a specific warrant so I guess you can risk it and lie. I doubt they would put up much of a fight to prove you actually did buy it.

I used my card for my purchase. It has my name and this address where it was shipped. It was from CCS. I wonder if they can access the site records. If so, they can catch me lying. Better to say I did order it, and I already used it for the purpose I needed it. Don't have it anymore.

What do you think?

 

[_smile_]

Depends on how you bought it. They definitely don't have access to your bank records wihout a specific warrant so I guess you can risk it and lie. I doubt they would put up much of a fight to prove you actually did buy it.

They had access to the customer records from IC. So they knew something used for suicide was shipped to my house.

I used my card for my purchase. It has my name and this address where it was shipped. It was from CCS. I wonder if they can access the site records. If so, they can catch me lying. Better to say I did order it, and I already used it for the purpose I needed it. Don't have it anymore.

What do you think?

Yes, much better to do this! They already know too bought it. But if you can lie and say you threw it out or already used it, do it.

 

[leloyon]

Anyone here, here's a tip I learned the hard way.
In both the US and UK (as I imagine most "developed" countries) the police cannot enter your home without a warrant. You do not have to let them in nor speak with them, nor should you.
And here is a lecture explaining exactly why you shouldn't:

Police are not your friends. They are there to fill a quota at best, and outright malicious at worst.

 

[aimless_arrow]

Side note: Sitting in the hallway by the nurses station and listening to them talk shit about mental health patients made me lose a lot of respect for health care workers

I overdosed on an anti-depressant when I was a teen and got sent to the ER. A nurse there asked the one who was wheeling me around what I was in for. He said "DO" (drug overdose) and both of them laughed. I'll never forget it.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I overdosed on an anti-depressant when I was a teen and got sent to the ER. A nurse there asked the one who was wheeling me around what I was in for. He said "DO" (drug overdose) and both of them laughed. I'll never forget it.

Nurses enjoy the societal assumption that they are good-hearted, compassionate people but reality is way too often otherwise.

 

[sylver]

I used my card for my purchase. It has my name and this address where it was shipped. It was from CCS. I wonder if they can access the site records. If so, they can catch me lying. Better to say I did order it, and I already used it for the purpose I needed it. Don't have it anymore.

What do you think?

Yup, this is better. And if they ask to see the dried meat say you ate it lol.

 

[Obliviate]

Oh my god. This is so fucked up. I'm so sorry. The health care field is filled with so many disgusting people I can't believe they will laugh and talk shit about mental health patients let alone in front of them. I'm disgusted.

 

[tiredofbreathing]

How long ago did you order?
I'm really sorry you had to go through this

 

[PinkSakura]

Jesus Christ, these police are not helping us at all, they are doing the most stressful ways of contacting us. After my visit my sleep and diet have been fucked up. Your experience seems way worse than mine I hope you are well

 

[FuneralCry]

That sounds really horrible what you've had to go through, it's so awful how suicidal people cannot just be left alone, they don't deserve to be punished simply for planning a way to die. It's such a hellish world we exist in where things like this happen, people like that only create more suffering.

 

[_smile_]

Hey there
First, I know a lot of others have already experienced this, but I thought I would share my encounter. Second, for those who did experience a visit from the authorities, I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

I'm from the US.

Like others, police came at 1am. Woke my husband and me up. They said the FBI contacted them regarding a "suicide kit" I purchased from Canada (I chuckled at the word "kit." Throw in some benzos and meto into the package and then I'd call it a kit). I told them it wasn't a suicide kit and it was for curing meats; a type of salt. They asked if I had it still and my dumbass said yes and of course I had to go get it. Then they started questioning whether I have any mental health history and once I said yes, the cop made up his mind to send me to the hospital. At that point, I stopped lying.

Had to take a fucking ambulance ($$$) to the hospital where I spent 11 hours sitting on a bed, in the hallway of the ER, because there weren't any rooms available. I had to have a fucking "sitter" that had to watch my every move. I couldn't even use the bathroom by myself or have a gown that had strings to tie.
Side note: Sitting in the hallway by the nurses station and listening to them talk shit about mental health patients made me lose a lot of respect for health care workers

Anyway, finally spoke to a social worker for my psych eval and by the grace of god I was able to talk my way out of being admitted to the hospital.
After being awake for 28+ hours and not eating, I went home, showered, ate some cereal and went to sleep. Only be woken up again by the police banging on the door!! It was like deja vu. They wanted to ask more questions about IC. Luckily I already knew everything going on with IC and could be "forthcoming" with info. So funny though, I knew more about the investigation than they did. Fucking idiots. And don't get me started on the lack of knowledge the paramedics had. Cops also asked why I wasn't committed…assholes.

Been suffering in silence so had to tell my husband about everything. He was understanding at least. But this all fucked me up in a way I have not yet felt before. I had never been hospitalized before. And even though I wasn't actually admitted, it was still a bit traumatic. And now I no longer have an out.

To everyone, I wish you find peace and I wish you luck in whatever you do

UPDATE: FBI just came to my house. Was in a work meeting getting chewed out by my boss so I didn't talk speak to them. Husband answered and told them I can't talk right now. They said they'll come back, but I will be refusing to speak with them.

 

[Superdeterminist]

UPDATE: FBI just came to my house. Was in a work meeting getting chewed out by my boss so I didn't talk speak to them. Husband answered and told them I can't talk right now. They said they'll come back, but I will be refusing to speak with them.

That is scary. Wtf are they doing? This is so absurd.

 

[Elan123]

Anyone here, here's a tip I learned the hard way.
In both the US and UK (as I imagine most "developed" countries) the police cannot enter your home without a warrant. You do not have to let them in nor speak with them, nor should you.
And here is a lecture explaining exactly why you shouldn't:

Police are not your friends. They are there to fill a quota at best, and outright malicious at worst.

This is spot on. Nobody needs to answer any questions at all regarding these purchases. You haven't broken any laws.

I came across a few law enforcement threads on reddit where all the cops there were saying that they hate doing the visits, they shouldn't be conducted by the police and that people were often justifiably angry to be woken up in the early hours of the morning to answer questions when they haven't done anything illegal.

You can confirm your name and then for any questions related to the purchase just say that you prefer not to answer that's your choice and your right.

I would also ask them what the purpose of their visit is.

If they say it's to check on your wellness say you're fine and politely ask them to leave.

"I have nothing more to say , I haven't done anything wrong, I would like you to leave now please"

You could also add that you are feeling harassed if they persist

 

[locked*n*loaded]

CO is just looking better and better. Let's see them try and outlaw charcoal and tents. Never gonna happen.

 

[LateForTheBus]

I'm so very sorry you went through that (and are STILL dealing with it!) ((Hugs))

 

[William01]

UPDATE: FBI just came to my house. Was in a work meeting getting chewed out by my boss so I didn't talk speak to them. Husband answered and told them I can't talk right now. They said they'll come back, but I will be refusing to speak with them.

I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. What a horrible experience indeed. I had my visit on Saturday night.. late but luckily I was still up.. no where near as late as yours was. Its is really unsettling and upsetting when this happens. Your private space being invaded and potential family members overhearing your business. Stay strong ♥

I used my card for my purchase. It has my name and this address where it was shipped. It was from CCS. I wonder if they can access the site records. If so, they can catch me lying. Better to say I did order it, and I already used it for the purpose I needed it. Don't have it anymore.

What do you think?

Arr you saying it's not just IC that's been busted? Is this CSS Canadian by any chance? I've read apparently KL also operated another two websites in addition to IC that have been closed.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. What a horrible experience indeed. I had my visit on Saturday night.. late but luckily I was still up.. no where near as late as yours was. Its is really unsettling and upsetting when this happens. Your private space being invaded and potential family members overhearing your business. Stay strong ♥

Arr you saying it's not just IC that's been busted? Is this CSS Canadian by any chance? I've read apparently KL also operated another two websites in addition to IC that have been closed.

He operated another website called EM that sold inert gas equipment. Customers of that are being checked on too but there are many more people who bought SN.

 

[dimstar]

I used my card for my purchase. It has my name and this address where it was shipped. It was from CCS. I wonder if they can access the site records. If so, they can catch me lying. Better to say I did order it, and I already used it for the purpose I needed it. Don't have it anymore.

What do you think?

I havent heard of anyone who got from ccs getting a visit. Unless they were also in contact with ic.

 

[TapeMachine]

Jesus Christ, these police are not helping us at all, they are doing the most stressful ways of contacting us. After my visit my sleep and diet have been fucked up. Your experience seems way worse than mine I hope you are well

Nope, not helping at all...It's breaking my heart to see so many people ctb-ing in such terror and panic, and all because of this chaos and utter disregard for our actual wellbeing.. It didn't have to be this way...that's all I can think when I see more and more leaving.

I keep wondering when I'll get my knock at the door. I'm not looking forward to it.

 

[LateForTheBus]

I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. What a horrible experience indeed. I had my visit on Saturday night.. late but luckily I was still up.. no where near as late as yours was. Its is really unsettling and upsetting when this happens. Your private space being invaded and potential family members overhearing your business. Stay strong ♥

Arr you saying it's not just IC that's been busted? Is this CSS Canadian by any chance? I've read apparently KL also operated another two websites in addition to IC that have been closed.

So far, the only person who ordered from CCS that received a visit had also emailed with IC and had sent them his ID. Otherwise, CCS customers haven't been hit by this, and I hope it stays that way. CCS is US, btw.

 

[Source Energy]

I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. What a horrible experience indeed. I had my visit on Saturday night.. late but luckily I was still up.. no where near as late as yours was. Its is really unsettling and upsetting when this happens. Your private space being invaded and potential family members overhearing your business. Stay strong ♥

Arr you saying it's not just IC that's been busted? Is this CSS Canadian by any chance? I've read apparently KL also operated another two websites in addition to IC that have been closed.

no, no, I was just wondering, to be prepared just in case. Hopefully it is only IC. CCS is US based and only ships within the US.
I almost drank it today, out of panic. I am in a lot of emotional pain and dunno if I can hold on for long anyway. Today was the closest I ever came to it, and partly because of this.

 

[William01]

no, no, I was just wondering, to be prepared just in case. Hopefully it is only IC. CCS is US based and only ships within the US.
I almost drank it today, out of panic. I am in a lot of emotional pain and dunno if I can hold on for long anyway. Today was the closest I ever came to it, and partly because of this.

Yeah the added stress and worry of the police coming isn't good