Plugging SN?

[Light&DarkDance]

For anyone (like me) who has experience with psychedelics, knows that plugging (inserting substance thru corn-hole) is a more effective way of taking substances. It might very well make the difference between vomiting or not.

It will also make the substance more effective, since it bypasses many filters our body has. I can't stress how much of a difference plugging vs oral makes with many substances.

What are your thoughts?

PS You basically dissolve the substance in water (maybe vinegar and coconut milk too) in a syringe WITHOUT needle, stuff it "inside" a good few cm and slowly release. Has a much quicker effect too.

PSS Though you gotta take out the syringe as well, don't wanna be found like that...

 

[watereyes]

For anyone (like me) who has experience with psychedelics, knows that plugging (inserting substance thru corn-hole) is a more effective way of taking substances. It might very well make the difference between vomiting or not.

It will also make the substance more effective, since it bypasses many filters our body has. I can't stress how much of a difference plugging vs oral makes with many substances.

What are your thoughts?

PS You basically dissolve the substance in water (maybe vinegar and coconut milk too) in a syringe WITHOUT needle, stuff it "inside" a good few cm and slowly release. Has a much quicker effect too.

PSS Though you gotta take out the syringe as well, don't wanna be found like that...

Was thinking of doing that. I know a member ingested 25g + 50g on the other end. I dont remember who that is tho.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Was thinking of doing that. I know a member ingested 25g + 50g on the other end. I dont remember who that is tho.

@Light&DarkDance, I suggest you do a site search of SN plug or plugging, this is a recurring topic on the forum, @watereyes mentioned one such fairly recent thread.

 

[Blue Portal]

For anyone (like me) who has experience with psychedelics, knows that plugging (inserting substance thru corn-hole) is a more effective way of taking substances. It might very well make the difference between vomiting or not.

It will also make the substance more effective, since it bypasses many filters our body has. I can't stress how much of a difference plugging vs oral makes with many substances.
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What are your thoughts?

PS You basically dissolve the substance in water (maybe vinegar and coconut milk too) in a syringnjye WITHOUT needle, stuff it "inside" a good few cm and slowly release. Has a much quicker effect too.

PSS Though you gotta take out the syringe as well, don't wanna be found like that...

I've plugged several times before. My main problem was that I shit out the substances before it took full effect.

 

[I’mDone]

I'm really not sure about injecting vinegar up the shitter! That has to sting so bad!

 

[Brick In The Wall]

This method is recommended for people with digestive issues. Rectal absorption rate is actually rather rapid and it doesn't give a chance for your body to dilute it. Thus ensuring a higher absorption rate.

If I had digestive issues I might would even consider it. People have used alcohol in this way to CTB on this site before even.

 

[Light&DarkDance]

This method is recommended for people with digestive issues. Rectal absorption rate is actually rather rapid and it doesn't give a chance for your body to dilute it. Thus ensuring a higher absorption rate.

And not just. Once you have experience in plugging vs oral various substances it becomes a major difference. Evolution put filters in place when food gets thru mouth, and not thru backdoor. Taking substances orally is such a mess.

I'm really not sure about injecting vinegar up the shitter! That has to sting so bad!

It depends. Some substances require vinegar and some don't. That's why would be great to have someone with more knowledge explain all the sciency stuff.

I've plugged several times before. My main problem was that I shit out the substances before it took full effect.

There's a learning curve for sure :-D

Was thinking of doing that. I know a member ingested 25g + 50g on the other end. I dont remember who that is tho.

50g up the backdoor is overkill. It should be 2-4 times as potent at least, and thus 2-4 times less dosage.

I suggest you do a site search of SN plug or plugging, this is a recurring topic on the forum, @watereyes mentioned one such fairly recent thread.

I did found one with Ulcer in it, but it focuses on people with a sickness and not ones who just wanna avoid vommiting and the salty taste. Even in the latest PPH podcast episode a lady who tool antiemetic still puked a little.

 

[Living sucks]

And not just. Once you have experience in plugging vs oral various substances it becomes a major difference. Evolution put filters in place when food gets thru mouth, and not thru backdoor. Taking substances orally is such a mess.



It depends. Some substances require vinegar and some don't. That's why would be great to have someone with more knowledge explain all the sciency stuff.



There's a learning curve for sure :-D



50g up the backdoor is overkill. It should be 2-4 times as potent at least, and thus 2-4 times less dosage.



I did found one with Ulcer in it, but it focuses on people with a sickness and not ones who just wanna avoid vommiting and the salty taste. Even in the latest PPH podcast episode a lady who tool antiemetic still puked a little.

It was @ninja_daryl who supposedly did both ends. We don't know if this really happened as we can't confirm these reports.

 

[cappuccinogirl]

This would be a way of avoiding anti emetics then? I have trouble tolerating metro. Any clear dosage guidelines. ? What you mix it with. ? Thanks

 

[Quarky00]

DO NOT DO THAT .

This was discussed . ( really need @autumnal "!" sign here )

Routes of administration?

DON'T. Search threads. Enema – strong salts burn and literally destroy membranes . (example , more) Capsules – need quick SN and in intestines -- capsules interfere , not practical (details , absorption) IV / Injection -- Vein will collapse , SN won't enter blood (destroy membranes) [1] ; not practical [2] [3]

See FAQ --> Intake --> Routes . Really it's all out there written well ...

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-resource-page.32633/#post-649564

There is a search option on the site , please use it .

 

[Light&DarkDance]

@Quarky00 So the only argument against this method is that strong salts burn and destroy membranes? If so, it should burn and destroy inside the mouth too?! I've searched on this forum and didn't find much, hence the new thread.
I'm not here to promote plugging but I definitely wanna avoid vomiting and the salty taste if possible.
Again, I have experience in plugging vs oral and there's massive difference if you do the plugging right.

@cappuccinogirl It bypasses all the filters and defense mechanisms and yes should eliminate vomiting, at least that's the case with all other substances which need to go into the stomach thru the mouth. Also there's WAY less distance for it travel. I know that 5-Meo needs mixed with vinegar and coconut milk, but that's probably not the case with SN.

 

[Quarky00]

If so, it should burn and destroy inside the mouth too

Well, if you think your rectum and your tongue are the same tissue ..

Again, I have experience in plugging vs oral and there's massive difference if you do the plugging right.

When is the last time you put citric acid or kitchen salt in your ass?

You can eat salt but if you put directly in your veins it will disrupt them and make a huge clot . It will cause artery to collapse not doubt about it . Similar things can be said about stomach which has acidity and its membrane , although sensitive , can withstand things that otherwise your internal organs cannot . Right? So different tissues and membranes in our body act differently . It's common sense .

Otherwise I have no idea how to reply to a person insisting on putting burning salt in their ass .

There's an expression 'rub salt in/into the wound'' and it's not for nothing, you may try it if you wish , put lemon juice or salt on a cut see how it feels . (hint: alcohol may sting but this really burns)

I've searched on this forum and didn't find much, hence the new thread.

There are many search results :

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/search/312255/?q=sn+rectal&o=relevance

 

[Light&DarkDance]

@Quarky00 I personally don't plan on plugging SN until more info, and most importantly cases, are available. But I certainly won't dismiss the logic and various experiences of plugging vs oral. Especially when vomiting seems to be quite an issue, anti-emmitics don't seem to guarantee anything, but do decrease the possibility ofc.

Well, if you think your rectum and your tongue are the same tissue

Word "mouth" doesn't mean only tongue, but inside cheeks and the rest too. We won't fully research this method by nitpicking and getting so defensive.

You can eat salt but if you put directly in your veins it will disrupt them and make a huge clot

About veins and arteries don't know, that's intravenous territory and not plugging.

When is the last time you put citric acid or kitchen salt in your ass?

Actually, If I were fully committed to plugging SN, would experiment with normal kitchen salt first. Also, some burning in the bum is better then awful taste in the mouth and then vomiting and failing the method. Did you experiment with plugging salt? Otherwise comparing it to veins or wounds isn't very helpful.

 

[Quarky00]

@Light&DarkDance , You like to argue sorry I don't. You were asked about plugging salt but you deflect the question back.

You were explained that arteries will collapse . If you are into self harm and pain without ctb that is your prerogative . That said I would not throw such ideas here while repeated its "benefits". That is harmful to members.


I reiterate to others. Do not do SN rectal , SN plugging , SN enema etc . It will not cause death but be extremely painful and would cause rectal bleeding and serious damage to tissue .

 

[Light&DarkDance]

If you are into self harm and pain without ctb that is your prerogative

Not wise to make guesses about someone you don't know.

It will not cause death but be extremely painful and would cause rectal bleeding and serious damage to tissue .

What's harmful is to make an "100% sure" claim with bold font without any info or logic to back it up. Nothing you linked so far proves this any bit.

You like to argue sorry I don't. You were asked about plugging salt but you deflect the question back.

I like research an independent thinking, this thread is about sharing knowledge and info not making any bold claims with zero proof. I did not say "you should do it 100%" or the opposite, just sharing info and trying to understand this deeper.

 

[Weightoftheworld]

Actually the first layer of tissue is the same in both the mouth/throat and the rectum as they both have a lining of mucous membrane.
Not saying I suggest plugging SN, but it seems plausible.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

@Quarky00 I personally don't plan on plugging SN until more info, and most importantly cases, are available. But I certainly won't dismiss the logic and various experiences of plugging vs oral. Especially when vomiting seems to be quite an issue, anti-emmitics don't seem to guarantee anything, but do decrease the possibility ofc.



Word "mouth" doesn't mean only tongue, but inside cheeks and the rest too. We won't fully research this method by nitpicking and getting so defensive.



About veins and arteries don't know, that's intravenous territory and not plugging.



Actually, If I were fully committed to plugging SN, would experiment with normal kitchen salt first. Also, some burning in the bum is better then awful taste in the mouth and then vomiting and failing the method. Did you experiment with plugging salt? Otherwise comparing it to veins or wounds isn't very helpful.

Veins and arteries run suuper close around the plugging area, they will clot, then the SN has nowhere to travel in the bloodstream since it's clotting the veins. This is extremely akin to the 'why not just IV SN instead' treads. It's stupid, unnecessary and very near self-harm.. What's the point when there is a pretty easy guide right on the site!

Like the Iv threads I'm being blunt, this is absolutely insane and unnecessary

 

[Quarky00]

but it seems plausible.

not .

Actually the first layer of tissue is the same in both the mouth/throat and the rectum as they both have a lining of mucous membrane

no .

not all mucous membranse are same (stomach , intestines , bladder , nasal , uterus , anal , vaginal , etc)

Epithelium structure may be similar but they do not act the same like permeability , acidity , protective layers , nerves , enzymes , etc . That's the entire point of stomach vs intestines (small/large) . It's not just "mucous membrane" and that's it .

an independent thinking

no , it's not "innovative" (and not much thinking..) just harmful

bold claims with zero proof

saying 'salt burns ass' is not a bold claim ... This does not 'require research' , but if so it deserves Ig Nobel

 

[Light&DarkDance]

Actually the first layer of tissue is the same in both the mouth/throat and the rectum as they both have a lining of mucous membrane.
Not saying I suggest plugging SN, but it seems plausible.

So far seems correct, unlike "other" members here who make blind claims out of thin air with bold font, here's some proof and info to confirm that:

Is it true that the human lips are made of the same material that surrounds the human anus?

Answer (1 of 22): Absolutely. The formation of primitive gut is one of the first stages of development. After some initial cell replication from the zygote, we begin as a hollow ball of cells. An area that will eventually become our anus on that ball folds inward (invaginates) and stretches all t...

www.quora.com

if link doesn't display, search "is interior of mouth same as anus?"

Veins and arteries run suuper close around the plugging area, they will clot, then the SN has nowhere to travel in the bloodstream since it's clotting the veins. This is extremely akin to the 'why not just IV SN instead' treads. It's stupid, unnecessary and very near self-harm.. What's the point when there is a pretty easy guide right on the site!

Like the Iv threads I'm being blunt, this is absolutely insane and unnecessary

Imagine the people who were first discovering SN method saying "what's the point of doing this if we have other methods".
The point is to do research, learn, and come up with better stuff.

 

[Walilamdzi]

I wonder if the discomfort of SN is downplayed, these things (burning membranes etc) sound so unpleasant.

 

[Light&DarkDance]

I wonder if the discomfort of SN is downplayed, these things (burning membranes etc) sound so unpleasant.

While salt will probably sting, it doesn't seem worse then vomiting the thing and failing.

Has anyone here took mdma orally? I did, and that tastes awful. Rectal mdma is way better. So is rectal 5-Meo. So is a great deal of other different substance. Even though that's well proven beyond any doubt in the psychedelic community, many would still prefer the simplicity of drinking or vaping instead of learning how to plug.
But with SN vomiting is a thing, there's no preference here. If it's possible to avoid vomiting and thus failure, that should be looked into.

 

[Quarky00]

I wonder if the discomfort of SN is downplayed, these things (burning membranes etc) sound so unpleasant.

This was addressed . Please read FAQ and Cases . Some members (not majority) reported burning in the throat , so take mint or cool before . Others reported awful saltiness (again not a majority) . Some people reported no burning and no saltiness . The biggest discomfort rated during SN intake is 3.5/10 which is not that much . There are members who took SN and rescued , and members who took small doses of SN (not recommended) . None reported something major .

The discomfort of SN was never downplayed . It was excruciatingly detailed . Instead of reaching conclusions you have more than 100 cases to read (thread includes updates) . What has been downplayed is the group effort to document and research it . Some members here ctb with documentation only to help others . Others have researched it , much more than me , including SN chemical interactions and journey in the GI . That has been downplayed because it's easier to make statements than read 200 pages of evidence (Stan + Faq + Cases + Scientific + PPH) .

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Actually, If I were fully committed to plugging SN, would experiment with normal kitchen salt first. Also, some burning in the bum is better then awful taste in the mouth and then vomiting and failing the method.

This approach resonates with me. I did similarly by mixing sea salt with 1/4 c water and ingesting, and journaled the experience.

However, someone saved me from making a huge error. I was going to use 25 g of salt, which can have severe negative impacts, even be fatal. Ctb may be the goal, but so is self-determination of when to catch the bus and what kind of ride one wants.

 

[Walilamdzi]

This was addressed . Please read FAQ and Cases . Some members (not majority) reported burning in the throat , so take mint or cool before . Others reported awful saltiness (again not a majority) . Some people reported no burning and no saltiness . The biggest discomfort rated during SN intake is 3.5/10 which is not that much . There are members who took SN and rescued , and members who took small doses of SN (not recommended) . None reported something major .

The discomfort of SN was never downplayed . It was excruciatingly detailed . Instead of reaching conclusions you have more than 100 cases to read (thread includes updates) . What has been downplayed is the group effort to document and research it . Some members here ctb with documentation only to help others . Others have researched it , much more than me , including SN chemical interactions and journey in the GI . That has been downplayed because it's easier to make statements than read 200 pages of evidence (Stan + Faq + Cases + Scientific + PPH) .

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

I don't think taking a mint will help burning, and there have been reports of unpleasant things so don't dismiss that please.

 

[Quarky00]

I don't think taking a mint will help burning, and there have been reports of unpleasant things so don't dismiss that please.

Where did I dismiss ?

Discomfort had been documented and I detailed. You claimed it was downplayed which isn't so since people detailed it well -- so why do you say I dismissed unpleasantness -- when I actually expanded on it?

Some here are pushed into arguing and feeling dismissed. STOP IT.

Read info and come back to me if I was wrong. I will gladly admit mistakes. I'm stupid and have no problem admitting that. I'm simply reiterating knowledge. I try to be helpful and useful by just pointing to information. There is discomfort and it's documented rather than 'downplayed'. Stop taking out your personal issues with me, I'm human, and I'm in pain, so take it down a notch. Take a deep breath, take a step back, read calmly... I'm not here to argue

 

[Walilamdzi]

Where did I dismiss ?

Discomfort had been documented and I detailed. You claimed it was downplayed which isn't so since people detailed it well -- so why do you say I dismissed unpleasantness -- when I actually expanded on it?

Some here are pushed into arguing and feeling dismissed. STOP IT.

Read info and come back to me if I was wrong. I will gladly admit mistakes. I'm stupid and have no problem admitting that. I'm simply reiterating knowledge. I try to be helpful and useful by just pointing to information. There is discomfort and it's documented rather than 'downplayed'. Stop taking out your personal issues with me, I'm human, and I'm in pain, so take it down a notch. Take a deep breath, take a step back, read calmly... I'm not here to argue

Ohhhh I understand! Sorry I'm pretty tired. I've reread some and yes it seems to be quite an uncomfortable method, I'm not sure how it's rated 3.5/10.

e.g. "APharmaDestroyedLife said: "I would hardly call a burning coal in your stomach peaceful, and again I say Exit International has been very reckless with the promotion of this method."

 

[Quarky00]

I'm not sure how it's rated 3.5/10.

By a member's account -- she rated pain after thinking it through while taking SN and dying (brave moonie) .

"APharmaDestroyedLife said: "I would hardly call a burning coal in your stomach peaceful, and again I say Exit International has been very reckless with the promotion of this method."

It's not burning coal .

READ PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TOOK SN -- INSTEAD OF WILD RUMORS BY THOSE WHO HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED IT :)

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

(I get the misunderstanding and I apologize for being emotional. Things are hard for all of us.)

 

[Walilamdzi]

@Quarky00 I'm quoting from the failed attempts in the document you're referencing, the user Mystic said "It was as if I dropped a hot coal into my stomach and it was just there and there was nothing I could do it about it."

 

[Quarky00]

@Quarky00 I'm quoting from the failed attempts in the document you're referencing, the user Mystic said "It was as if I dropped a hot coal into my stomach and it was just there and there was nothing I could do it about it."

Sorry you quoted APharmaDestroyedLife .Yes that is one account of many. It is not to be dismissed but also does not represent. Need to read the entire description because everything has a context. Obviously hot coal is a figure of speech (though I believe she felt tremendous burning), would hot chili make a difference? So lets take the time to read it all:

After making my thread and going to sleep to fast I woke up on time. After waking up I ate two tylenol and then 30 minutes later I ate one tums. 30 minutes after that I said my supposedly possibly final words then poured and drank my SN. Not an exact time frame as it took me about 10 minutes to pour it and get to drinking it finally. It tasted like pool water. I mean like if you have ever accidentally got pool water in your mouth it's like swallowing multiple swallows of that. It was awful, like insanely bad. The taste still haunts me so yeah. Pinching my nose helped me get it down though so for anyone having trouble with the taste try that I guess. A few seconds later after drinking it my stomach started to hurt like hell. It was as if I dropped a hot coal into my stomach and it was just there and there was nothing I could do it about it. Oddly enough I waited while doubling over in pain and talking to @Jean4 and @Kirbster and kept thinking I'll throw it up I'll throw it up then I'll drink more if I have to. I did not throw up. I didn't throw up, instead I got extremely dizzy. I then panicked because I realized I'm clearly not ready yet(thanks Kirbster) and decided to call 911 while dizzy. I told them where I live and they picked me up and took my SN away with them. I told them what it was what I had drinken said I had tried to kill myself over the phone and in person confirmed what I said and then while they were taking me away in the ambulance I promptly passed out.

It was nothing. It was pure pitch black nothingness. The closest thing to oblivion a complete black out with no thoughts or feelings. It's as if time had stopped yet I hadn't realized it anyway. I felt nothing, I thought nothing, it was actually fairly peaceful. Then I woke up clearly in the ICU surrounded by my family who kept batting away my hand as I tried to reach for the mask that had tubes going down my throat. Being in the ICU was horrible not gonna lie. Luckily I soon after got a room and was able to think things through properly and say I need help/want help to the psychiatrist assigned to me. I told them all about my gamble(I in fact had to repeat this countless times) I admitted to buying SN before as a back up plan in case everything goes to hell, a last resort if you will. Luckily they believed me as I was telling the truth and thought hiding things would just overly complicate the help I needed. I was in the hospital for about 5 days then I was moved to a psychiatric hospital/ward whatever you get it. I was brought at night so it was actually hell. There was nothing to do, there was one tv and it was off and I had two roommates that were already asleep and one of them snored so loud I thought he was going to rob me of all possible sleep. Luckily after that hellish nightmare everything was fine. I made some friends, got some medication, and while I was bored I was still in an infinitely better spot compared to before. It's amazing what a little medication and time away from everything can do for someone who has never bothered to even try in the past.

@MysticPerception had an extremely awful experience with panic and it should not be discount it. She said it tasted like pool water yet described it as "insanely bad. The taste still haunts me". I tasted pool water and I don't think it's insanely haunting. I think SN is worse than pool water. But you can figure out Mystic's figures of speech. It is also clear @MysticPerception sensations were extremely strong. Panic and sensory sensitivity naturally makes things awful. This is one of the worst accounts, so it's like taking a car accident and saying all cars are dangerous. Cars carry risks but not each and every drive. That experience is a possibility, but almost all other SN cases were not as terrible as that. They weren't totally peaceful of course.

Now this is 1 out of 100 accounts, and there is no reason we should focus only on that one and discount others. There are more awefull accounts similar to that but that means the remaining 95% of SN intakes were with mild to moderate discomfort , rather than huge pain. We shall see example of those.

1. I took the whole cup and didn't find it unpleasant, just like sea water
2. I did not throw up altho I tried like hell
3. It kicked in fast, last time I ate was probably 6 hours prior, but I collapsed and my heart was racing sooo bad. But no respiratory problems

I didn't have physical symptoms apart from rapid heartbeat. I was dizzy but not nauseous for example.

No AE, just tums. After a couple gulps, SI kicked in and I realized that I wasn't ready. Dumped the rest of the cup (was a whole lot still in there) and went to the bathroom. At this point, I figured that I didn't take enough of it and I could sleep it off. I wasn't feeling anything after about 10 mins so I though I'd be ok.

Absolutely wrong. While sitting on the toilet, I started to feel my pulse in my head. Like BOOM BOOM BOOM. I got up from the toilet and the whole apartment started spinning. I was sweating like crazy. I thought I could make it to my bed...i didn't even make it past the living room. I don't remember anything past this. My roommate apparently found me and called 911.

No pain. No serious nausea. Just discomfort from sweating and not being able to hold my own body weight. It never dawned on me that I was dying.

I only felt the effects of the SN for a couple of minutes from what I remember. It felt like less than 2 before I blacked out.

I took SN around 3 pm, a very very small quantity and i drink only half of it too. Was very very salty but manageable. Nothing happened to me for the next 30 minutes so i thought it was also fake one. But after 30 - 40 minutes my heart started to beat so heavily and i was laying down that time and tried to walk but all of a sudden i began to feel like i am going to black out. i cant even walk an inch. even if i stand up it felt like i will fall down. My parents were watching me and asked me what happnd and i told them i have severe headache and they noted a change in my lip color and asked what happnd. i gave some lame excuses.

And indeed I have addressed that previously . This is exactly what I wrote . Do not reach conclusions base on one or two cases , but also do not dismiss those . The discomfort of SN was never downplayed and it was excruciatingly detailed . There is discomfort and it changes between people . There are more than 100 cases to read . What has been downplayed is the group effort to document it -- the big picture . One case rules them all , that is a very limited perspective .

Final words : SN has discomfort . Even the chances of vomiting are deterring . People do their own assessment . Like you and the OP I am very worried about vomiting , I don't want to end my life with such discomfort . Others however say that life is so painful that vomiting a tiny amount for a couple of minutes is not that bad considering . Some people are not worried about vomiting at all but strong fast heartbeat . That can drive some people crazy . As you can see I'm not taking a position -- I'm bringing you all perspectives .

Read read read :)

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I have been planning to do SN statistics for a long time and I see it is really needed . People take one sentence , or even one expression (two words) and label SN as such , which is wrong . So a table or a graph with the occurrence and severity of discomfort would perhaps help people see the big picture . SN is not entirely peaceful . But neither is life , nor some of the other options . There is not "better ctb method" -- It is up to each and every one to decide their method . But I don't like it when it's misrepresented .

 

[Walilamdzi]

But we can't even be sure that everyone is ingesting a particularly pure form of it, there's no uniformity and the accounts are all subjective and anecdotal so I don't see how a graph could really offer any fantastic data. There are just so many variables that could affect everyone's experiences.