Please Rethink Train Jumping

[NextBusLeaving]

Death comes with being a train engineer, nearly half of whom have operated a train that killed someone on the tracks

In the Philadelphia area, that amount is estimated to be even worse. Afterward, many suffer nightmares, anxiety, and PTSD.

www.inquirer.com

 

[ValideSultana]

I have to say I totally agree on this score. Having someone else kill you (even if you don't see it like that, that's exactly what it is) is wrong, unless they have agreed to help. They shouldn't have to suffer as you do. My friend was a train driver many years ago, and someone jumped in front of her train. She was never the same after that. She blamed herself, she thought she was a murderer. She suffered so much.

 

[ThingWithFeathers]

Yes, trying to catch the bus by coming under the train results in collateral damage. Not only the driver gets badly hurt, but onlookers on the platform are also left with nightmares. Remember, there could be children among the crowd. This would be the last most hateful thing you could do to an innocent stranger by leaving this earth. Also, such suicidal methods are often impulsive. One must never ever take a drastic life-ending step on the spur of the moment.

 

[ArtVandelay]

It's not always quick and peaceful either. There is a video on a popular gore website of a man whose body was cut in half at the waist by a train. He is still alive and conscious, while his torso crawls around the tracks with his internal organs spilling out from the bottom. A couple guys are following him trying to put him into a bag. Really disturbing. Anyone considering death by train should watch that video first.

 

[Bumblebee]

It's not always quick and peaceful either. There is a video on a popular gore website of a man whose body was cut in half at the waist by a train. He is still alive and conscious, while his torso crawls around the tracks with his internal organs spilling out from the bottom. A couple guys are following him trying to put him into a bag. Really disturbing. Anyone considering death by train should watch that video first.

Can you pm me a link? My morbid curiosity wants to see it

 

[BangBangBang]

It's not always quick and peaceful either. There is a video on a popular gore website of a man whose body was cut in half at the waist by a train. He is still alive and conscious, while his torso crawls around the tracks with his internal organs spilling out from the bottom. A couple guys are following him trying to put him into a bag. Really disturbing. Anyone considering death by train should watch that video first.

Could you send me the link to the video?

 

[LonelyLight]

It's not always quick and peaceful either. There is a video on a popular gore website of a man whose body was cut in half at the waist by a train. He is still alive and conscious, while his torso crawls around the tracks with his internal organs spilling out from the bottom. A couple guys are following him trying to put him into a bag. Really disturbing. Anyone considering death by train should watch that video first.

I've seen that and it's awful!!

 

[Hank]

Yes, trying to catch the bus by coming under the train results in collateral damage. Not only the driver gets badly hurt, but onlookers on the platform are also left with nightmares. Remember, there could be children among the crowd. This would be the last most hateful thing you could do to an innocent stranger by leaving this earth. Also, such suicidal methods are often impulsive. One must never ever take a drastic life-ending step on the spur of the moment.

I kind of disagree with that. The only option for someone to commit suicide is often the violent way. Why is that? Because "society" does a lot to make peaceful methods unavailable.

Everyone, that is part of society, therefore has the bear the consequences of that. One consequence of taking peaceful methods away, is that someone might jump in front of a train to commit suicide. If that person had an option to get nembutal, that person would probably not jump in front of a train, but take nembutal.

Iow, the person that jumps in front of a train, to commit suicide, is not responsible for the damage done to other individuals or assets in that society, that same society that prevents the availability of peaceful methods. It's an act of desperation.

If people or companies in society don't like this, they should vote or take action to make peaceful methods available to those who need it.

 

[SoupSnakes]

I completely agree. I considered this for a long time then dealt with someone in my previous job who had done it and not died (extremely painful death in the end) and had a friend who had two people on separate occasions jump infront of his train and he was never the same (pretty sure he left the job). Suicide is a personal thing, it should stay that way.

 

[ThingWithFeathers]

I kind of disagree with that. The only option for someone to commit suicide is often the violent way. Why is that? Because "society" does a lot to make peaceful methods unavailable.

Everyone, that is part of society, therefore has the bear the consequences of that. One consequence of taking peaceful methods away, is that someone might jump in front of a train to commit suicide. If that person had an option to get nembutal, that person would probably not jump in front of a train, but take nembutal.

Iow, the person that jumps in front of a train, to commit suicide, is not responsible for the damage done to other individuals or assets in that society, that same society that prevents the availability of peaceful methods. It's an act of desperation.

If people or companies in society don't like this, they should vote or take action to make peaceful methods available to those who need it.

Hank, try to replace the word suicide with hunger in your post and read how it sounds. Hunger is a major painful issue in many parts of the world. Should the hungry people hurt those who can somehow fill their own stomach? Should the needy and the poor rob the rich because earning money isn't easy? Our problem is our own, even if someone else caused it, this feeling of retribution doesn't make us any better human beings. And specifically, do you really want a 5 year old to watch live suicide? Their fragile mind will never be the same. Suicide isn't an easy topic for society; society can't have nembutal available in grocery stores or in our medicine cabinets.

 

[Hank]

Hank, try to replace the word suicide with hunger in your post and read how it sounds. Hunger is a major painful issue in many parts of the world. Should the hungry people hurt those who can somehow fill their own stomach? Should the needy and the poor rob the rich because earning money isn't easy? Our problem is our own, even if someone else caused it, this feeling of retribution doesn't make us any better human beings. And specifically, do you really want a 5 year old to watch live suicide? Their fragile mind will never be the same. Suicide isn't an easy topic for society; society can't have nembutal available in grocery stores or in our medicine cabinets.

I am not as noble as you. I don't think that our problem is our own, when someone else is causing it. If someone else is responsible for taking away the peaceful option, then that someone else should not be surprised if that has consequences. Either for themselves, their assets or their children. It's a consequence of a decision. I don't want a 5 year old to watch a live suicide. I think that is cruel. And it is not like that train jumper purposely tries to hurt other people. This does not mean it is justified. I would never take out my frustration on other people. I just think that someone who jumps in front of a train can not be blamed for the consequences.

And Nembutal should not be available in grocery stores. But one should not make it impossible to get for those who want it. I think that it would be better to make it available in special clinics. And if someone requested it, give them a cooling down period of half a year, and ask them to make an appointment for application on a specific date a half year from now. That way you know it's not based on an impulse.

@SoupSnakes
Suicide is a personal thing, I agree with that. Let governments and politics not interfere with that, by making it impossible for people to use a peacefull way to end their lives.

 

[I'm exhausted]

Our problem is our own, even if someone else caused it,

My OCD was under control until people assaulted me and took advantage of me. Getting groped by random guys are still my problem...right? Getting raped is my fault too right? My crazy ex roommate coming after me with a knife and had me on headlock is my fault right? Even though the landlord and police sided with me and arrested her, it's still my problem right? And then have to listen to people say "that's what happens to pretty people." Or when I get unwanted attention "it's flattering" and I "must have it easy because you're pretty". It's all my fault right? I asked for it right? Even though I was wearing pants and layers of clothes, I was too revealing and asked for it right? I developed PTSD, trauma, severe anxiety, depression, depersonalization and whole other problems and now disabled. So it's okay for people to make me suffer but won't let me die peacefully. I don't know why I think this but those people are having their cake and eating it too.

Screw us, keep suffering right? No way to get better because treatments are only available for the rich so if you can't afford we're supposed to just suffer and get worse and live like crap because we can't get better. But that's okay because no one will suffer from our "selfish" wish to die even though those are the people who can't give you any usable solutions. And it's okay for us to suffer because THEY'RE not suffering. As long as they keep us alive they're doing us a "favor". What righteous people they are. They don't know what my life is like and those who say oh fight harder, it can be worse, yeah well just like I don't know what they're going through, they don't know what I'm going through. Don't force your "you have to live" on me. If public death is bad then make assisted suicide more accessible to those who decide. Otherwise give us a solution to end our pains for good.
Most people who choose die don't do so because they want to end it, the pain is much greater than the will to live.

 

[BridgeJumper]

Im on the fence,
Its wrong to traumatize innocent people.
But at the same time, I just want out, I cant get N and I couldnt care less at this point...

 

[Moonicide]

There is no way I'd ctb by train jumping. That is so, so, so traumatic... If I saw someone throw themselves at a train I'd probably lose it to some extent. Many would. So many people are watching and will never forget that for the rest of their lives. I am so thankful this site has so many methods that can help us be at peace and not traumatize people in the process.

Im on the fence,
Its wrong to traumatize innocent people.
But at the same time, I just want out, I cant get N and I couldnt care less at this point...

Have you looked into Hanging or SN?

 

[MeltingHeart]

I completely agree. I considered this for a long time then dealt with someone in my previous job who had done it and not died (extremely painful death in the end) and had a friend who had two people on separate occasions jump infront of his train and he was never the same (pretty sure he left the job). Suicide is a personal thing, it should stay that way.

What job was that?
Yeah aside from the collateral damage - so many people move a bit at the last second (prob instinct/ reflex) and end up horrible injured. Tbh - it's beyong my realm of thinking that people do it. But I guess they must really not be in their right mind at all when they do it.

 

[BridgeJumper]

There is no way I'd ctb by train jumping. That is so, so, so traumatic... If I saw someone throw themselves at a train I'd probably lose it to some extent. Many would. So many people are watching and will never forget that for the rest of their lives. I am so thankful this site has so many methods that can help us be at peace and not traumatize people in the process.


Have you looked into Hanging or SN?

If I could, I would. Right now.
I cant, so Im jumping off a bridge.
Unless theres a way to transfer money for it without a bank account?

 

[NextBusLeaving]

I saw the aftermath of that years ago. Nothing gory but a woman jumped off a bridged, bounced off a truck and some cars, and closed the highway down that evening. Drove by just as they were pulling the tarp over.

 

[jgm63]

If I could, I would. Right now.
I cant, so Im jumping off a bridge.
Unless theres a way to transfer money for it without a bank account?

Which country are you in ?
Could you buy a prepaid credit or debit card ?

 

[BridgeJumper]

Idk how to even do it. I know literally nothing about cards and bank accounts, I keep my money in my dads.

 

[jgm63]

You're in Poland, right ?
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Probably closed tonight, maybe call them tomorrow....
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[SlimmerLight]

Everyone dies. Suffering is everywhere. Maybe it is better that they have become like that.

 

[jgm63]

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[BrokenAngel8]

I agree that jumping shouldnt be anyone's first choice due to the public gory aspect to it but I can see the reason why as I were in that shoe before. Here's what I thought:

1. Train jumping method, or any other jumping method, usually get its way to the media.

This makes it as a method that publicly known, meaning a lot of people in despair know that this method is lethal enough to kill them by seeing it on the news every now and then. It is relatively "simple" with little to no technical knowledge or logistics, accessible to practically anyone. Not everyone wise enough to search the web deep enough to research their method to find out about more peaceful approach. Or they simply didn't think it is possible and available. Our society is still far from accepting civil discussion on abortion, let alone suicide methods.

2. Some people purposely want to make their end a "grand show".

I know people to want to leave this way. Grande. Make it to big news. Make everyone discussing it. Finally, they could make a statement, even if it costs their death. Were they trying to say "fck u" to government? To society? To their own family? Whatever that statement might be.

I am not justifying this method, but I think the courage needed to pulled a ctb in public like this is tremendous. I can only imagine, whatever that drives them there to actually step out from the platform, must be extremely horrible. Ctb is not an easy task, whatever the method is, but this method needs exceptional courage in my opinion so I still have to acknowledge that. (Despite all the trauma they caused afterwards. Again, if you're here anyway, please consider more peaceful method).

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Train and bus jumping isn't even a guarantee. You'd be an asshole for considering it and you're likely to be mangled severely if you survive.

This topic is a sensitive one here. Definitely don't expect much if any sympathy from anyone here if you're considering it.

 

[Mako]

Train and bus jumping isn't even a guarantee. You'd be an asshole for considering it and you're likely to be mangled severely if you survive.

This topic is a sensitive one here. Definitely don't expect much if any sympathy from anyone here if you're considering it.

I dont exactly understand why.
I have a spot where I could place my neck/head on the tracks -perfect for decapitation. Not close to people or anything. It's an easy way and if done *correctly* a safe one at that. Most people who cosider this dont care about the feelings of others, in that moment, because it brings them closer to peace + if there would be safer ways I wouldnt even consider it.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

I dont exactly understand why.
I have a spot where I could place my neck/head on the tracks -perfect for decapitation. Not close to people or anything. It's an easy way and if done *correctly* a safe one at that. Most people who cosider this dont care about the feelings of others, in that moment, because it brings them closer to peace + if there would be safer ways I wouldnt even consider it.

People die from falling off sidewalks man. If you're that determined just find a roof or something to jump off from. Make sure to dive head first though. About as much of a guarantee as any like that.

 

[Mako]

People die from falling off sidewalks man. If you're that determined just find a roof or something to jump off from. Make sure to dive head first though. About as much of a guarantee as any like that.

No its not.
I can get easily decapitated if I place my head correctly. To be fair I wasnt talking about jumping rather laying like that rina girl.
Decapitation by train =/= train jumping my bad.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

No its not.
I can get easily decapitated if I place my head correctly. To be fair I wasnt talking about jumping rather laying like that rina girl.
Decapitation by train =/= train jumping my bad.

Rope isn't very expensive or hard to find. Making someone else kill you is messed up and alot more cowardly then doing it yourself. Nothing against you personally, but I stand by this sentiment.

 

[Mako]

Rope isn't very expensive or hard to find. Making someone else kill you is messed up and alot more cowardly then doing it yourself. Nothing against you personally, but I stand by this sentiment.

Calling it "cowardly" .. It still seems to be the best way to go and I dont care if someone sympathises with me on that because when I am gone - I am gone. Easy as that. If some people consider it to be an asshole way out thats ok aswell. People have chosen this job and know what other people can do. Said person would also not make the driver kill them but rather the train

 

[justwhy?]

Nembutal... make it available in special clinics. And if someone requested it, give them a cooling down period of half a year, and ask them to make an appointment for application on a specific date a half year from now. That way you know it's not based on an impulse.

Suicide is a personal thing, I agree with that. Let governments and politics not interfere with that, by making it impossible for people to use a peacefull way to end their lives.

YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES... ad infinitum. It's not our fault we were born into conditions and/or to biological make-ups conducive to misery. If nothing else, we should be entitled to freely (within sound reason) transact to secure favourable ends.