Plastic bag and gas suicide

[Nymph]

How much helium does one need to go unconscious and suffocate? I read it's 8.8 -14 cubic feet and I transferred it to liters which seems like way to much. I looked up those helium tanks for balloons but those are no way near the amount you actually need for this method. Did I convert the numbers right or is it actually such a big amount?

 

[Lmd]

Care with the helium tanks for balloons. The have some amount of oxygen to be safe enough so watch the etiquette if you are gonna try this method

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

The size of the cylinder required depends on the flow rate and how long the gas flow is required. To determine how long the gas will continue to flow, divide the actual uncompressed volume of gas in the cylinder by the flow rate, making sure the units are consistent. For instance, a "20 cu. ft." cylinder having a physical internal volume of 3.5 litres, pressurized to 2000 psi (138 bar), actually contains 477 litres (16.8 cu. ft.) of uncompressed gas. Then divide 477 l. by the flow rate, for instance 15 l/min., to get 31.8 min. Consult the references (PPeH, etc.) to decide if that is long enough.

IMO, it is important to use a flowmeter regulator that is calibrated for the gas being used to make sure the flow rate is accurate, especially if the cylinder is not overly large.

Here's an explanation of how to calculate the uncompressed volume in a cylinder of compressed gas.

Frees answer isn't exactly correct in my opinion, so I will give you my answer.

There is an easy way to calculate the uncompressed volume of gas that is stored in a given volume at a given pressure called Boyle's Law. I suggest reading about it online, but the basic equation is P1*V1 = P2*V2. So if you solve for V2, V2 = P1*V1/P2. Make sure units are consistent. If pressures are in bar, atmospheric pressure, P2, is 1.013 bar, so V2 it is very close to P1*V1 as @frees said. But for any other units, that won't be the case.

Then when you have the total volume of uncompressed gas, divide by the flow rate, such as 15 lpm, to get how long the gas will last.

 

[Nymph]

The size of the cylinder required depends on the flow rate and how long the gas flow is required. To determine how long the gas will continue to flow, divide the actual uncompressed volume of gas in the cylinder by the flow rate, making sure the units are consistent. For instance, a "20 cu. ft." cylinder having a physical internal volume of 3.5 litres, pressurized to 2000 psi (138 bar), actually contains 477 litres (16.8 cu. ft.) of uncompressed gas. Then divide 477 l. by the flow rate, for instance 15 l/min., to get 31.8 min. Consult the references (PPeH, etc.) to decide if that is long enough.

IMO, it is important to use a flowmeter regulator that is calibrated for the gas being used to make sure the flow rate is accurate, especially if the cylinder is not overly large.

Here's an explanation of how to calculate the uncompressed volume in a cylinder of compressed gas.

Dang thanks for d info

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

Yes agree with above.

Bought helium and done exit bag, spoke to supplier guaranteed its pure helium but was it my bum.
Obviously didn't work.
I mean I couldn't of gone for refund as doubt my reasoning would of been a valid one lol.

I'm going for nitrogen myself alot easier to come by especially saying you're getting into welding

 

[Sinai Silence]

Exit bag didn't work for me either, I bought a 0.41 cubic meter tank. Woke up the next day with a light headache and drowsiness.

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

Exit bag didn't work for me either, I bought a 0.41 cubic meter tank. Woke up the next day with a light headache and drowsiness.

Bigger tank needed then you nearly done it though.

Mine was a absolute complete failure was devastated. Just wish the UK was more pro choice and helped those

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

Exit bag didn't work for me either, I bought a 0.41 cubic meter tank. Woke up the next day with a light headache and drowsiness.

0.41 cu. meters is 410 l, which at 15 lpm would last 27 minutes, more than enough to cause serious brain damage resulting in death, so if you indeed survived with only mild effects, something was very different from the recommended procedure; possibly air mixed with helium, tank nearly empty, bag allowed air inside?

Yes agree with above.

Bought helium and done exit bag, spoke to supplier guaranteed its pure helium but was it my bum.
Obviously didn't work.
I mean I couldn't of gone for refund as doubt my reasoning would of been a valid one lol.

I'm going for nitrogen myself alot easier to come by especially saying you're getting into welding

Gas from welding suppliers will never be mixed with air because it might ruin the welds, but other sources such as helium for balloons may include up to 20% air.

In the US, actually nitrogen is more difficult to buy online than helium and argon. The well-known sources abbreviated CW and WS sell helium and argon filled cylinders, but not nitrogen.

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

0.41 cu. meters is 410 l, which at 15 lpm would last 27 minutes, more than enough to cause serious brain damage resulting in death, so if you indeed survived with only mild effects, something was very different from the recommended procedure; possibly air mixed with helium, tank nearly empty, bag allowed air inside?

Gas from welding suppliers will never be mixed with air because it might ruin the welds, but other sources such as helium for balloons may include up to 20% air.

In the US, actually nitrogen is more difficult to buy online than helium and argon. The well-known sources abbreviated CW and WS sell helium and argon filled cylinders, but not nitrogen.

Yes mine was definitely contaminated. Looking at getting next lot from welding supplier argon or nitrogen no idea what yet aiming for my birthday last day this month

 

[virginiawoolf86]

You're not using the Balloon Time tank by any chance? Those I read don't work.

 

[Sinai Silence]

It was most likely not a pure helium mixture. I think it was balloon time if I do remember correctly. It was a while ago now, I didn't have much resources to go on back then.

 

[It'sMyLife]

The thread that I discovered in a search is what brought me to this forum. It's by a gentleman who is now no longer here it seems and used the handle onewayroad. He was very smart and discussed all of this in detail. I hear of Stan a lot on here and I think the topic I'm referring to is just as relevant. I actually saw the type of mask he shows in walmart recently for $35

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

The thread that I discovered in a search is what brought me to this forum. It's by a gentleman who is now no longer here it seems and used the handle onewayroad. He was very smart and discussed all of this in detail. I hear of Stan a lot on here and I think the topic I'm referring to is just as relevant. I actually saw the type of mask he shows in walmart recently for $35

More info please

 

[Meditation guide]

I'm going for nitrogen myself alot easier to come by especially saying you're getting into welding

No sources now in US for nitrogen. All you can get is argon. PPH says it's just as good (?????) Yes, they know you cannot get a tank of nitrogen now. I mean that's kind of a reckless statement for them to make, that it's just as good.

Has anyone in the US tried to buy nitrogen lately?

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

No sources now in US for nitrogen. All you can get is argon. PPH says it's just as good (?????) Yes, they know you cannot get a tank of nitrogen now. I mean that's kind of a reckless statement for them to make, that it's just as good.

Has anyone in the US tried to buy nitrogen lately?

Here in the UK nitrogen Argon are easy to get. Helium harder to get and guns well that's a no.

If guns were id of gone along time ago. But I'll be getting nitrogen or argon depending on available

 

[Meditation guide]

getting nitrogen or argon depending on available

Argon? Nitrogen is something we breath and don't know the difference but what about argon? Has that even been tried? I've never heard of it before now. I prefer not to be a guinea pig for something untried.

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

Argon? Nitrogen is something we breath and don't know the difference but what about argon? Has that even been tried? I've never heard of it before now. I prefer not to be a guinea pig for something untried.

I've looked around and argon like helium and nitrogen is an inhert gas. Its designed to act exactly the same. I'll be a guinea pig. Already got my date for last day of the month. So if by August I'm back on here you'll know haha

 

[Hammer]

Isn't it easier to get a gun in the US than nitrogen? I really wish I could get one in the UK, the best way to go imo, quick, no set up.

I had to get a disposable nitrogen tank from a welding site, a regulator and gas mask off Amazon.

Got a flow meter too but it won't connect to the disposable tank so I'm gonna have to just hope for the best. But I'll be using the gas mask and a bag over the to help add that I'll only be breathing nitrogen. Hopefully it lasts long enough to kill or at the very least brain dead me.

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

Isn't it easier to get a gun in the US than nitrogen? I really wish I could get one in the UK, the best way to go imo, quick, no set up.

I had to get a disposable nitrogen tank from a welding site, a regulator and gas mask off Amazon.

Got a flow meter too but it won't connect to the disposable tank so I'm gonna have to just hope for the best. But I'll be using the gas mask and a bag over the to help add that I'll only be breathing nitrogen. Hopefully it lasts long enough to kill or at the very least brain dead me.

I'm not getting a gas mask but everything else I will. I'm sure there's a way you can get it just right just slowly turn till it pumps just enough out.

Wish UK did guns aswell

 

[Hammer]

I'm not getting a gas mask but everything else I will. I'm sure there's a way you can get it just right just slowly turn till it pumps just enough out.

Wish UK did guns aswell

If only, it's ironic because the past 10 years when I was mostly okay and not suicidal, I used to feel bad for Americans and question the stupidity of guns being so easily available. And now all I want is a gun....

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

Isn't it easier to get a gun in the US than nitrogen? I really wish I could get one in the UK, the best way to go imo, quick, no set up.

I had to get a disposable nitrogen tank from a welding site, a regulator and gas mask off Amazon.

Got a flow meter too but it won't connect to the disposable tank so I'm gonna have to just hope for the best. But I'll be using the gas mask and a bag over the to help add that I'll only be breathing nitrogen. Hopefully it lasts long enough to kill or at the very least brain dead me.

I strongly urge anyone considering inert gas to use a regulator flowmeter calibrated for the specific gas to insure the correct flow rate. This method is nearly guaranteed to produce serious brain damage and IMO no guesswork or "hope for the best" attitude should be used. Perhaps if the gas mask is a diving type that incorporates a regulator it will work, but unless one is an expert deep sea diver familiar with inert gas mix diving, again IMO it's not worth the risk. Better to gather the ~$20 in supplies and construct a bag hood that has been documented to work.

I'm not getting a gas mask but everything else I will. I'm sure there's a way you can get it just right just slowly turn till it pumps just enough out.

Wish UK did guns aswell

Without a regulator, even cracking the valve open slightly will result in an earsplitting blast of gas that will probably rip the bag to shreds.

 

[LADY007]

Yes agree with above.

Bought helium and done exit bag, spoke to supplier guaranteed its pure helium but was it my bum.
Obviously didn't work.
I mean I couldn't of gone for refund as doubt my reasoning would of been a valid one lol.

I'm going for nitrogen myself alot easier to come by especially saying you're getting into welding

Welding or food storage. Man on youtube has a video of himself filling 5 gallon plastic containers with rice then replacing the oxygen with nitrogen. It preserves dry food better. That is how I bought my 40 cu. ft. tank of nitrogen gas. I showed the welding supply store clerk the video so he could see what I needed the gas for then sold me the full tank and a flow meter.

 

[TotallyIsolated]

Inert gas works well as it bypasses your body's survival instinct, but it can be complicated and expensive. An SS user not long ago documented their use of the exit bag method. The hardest part, apparently, was getting the right kind of regulator. There are different fittings for different types of gas.

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

Welding or food storage. Man on youtube has a video of himself filling 5 gallon plastic containers with rice then replacing the oxygen with nitrogen. It preserves dry food better. That is how I bought my 40 cu. ft. tank of nitrogen gas. I showed the welding supply store clerk the video so he could see what I needed the gas for then sold me the full tank and a flow meter.

Think ill use this same method sounds good.

Inert gas works well as it bypasses your body's survival instinct, but it can be complicated and expensive. An SS user not long ago documented their use of the exit bag method. The hardest part, apparently, was getting the right kind of regulator. There are different fittings for different types of gas.

I'll be buying everything I need. I've ordered head band and roasting bag for the head and will by gas hose and regulator from welding supplier

I strongly urge anyone considering inert gas to use a regulator flowmeter calibrated for the specific gas to insure the correct flow rate. This method is nearly guaranteed to produce serious brain damage and IMO no guesswork or "hope for the best" attitude should be used. Perhaps if the gas mask is a diving type that incorporates a regulator it will work, but unless one is an expert deep sea diver familiar with inert gas mix diving, again IMO it's not worth the risk. Better to gather the ~$20 in supplies and construct a bag hood that has been documented to work.

Without a regulator, even cracking the valve open slightly will result in an earsplitting blast of gas that will probably rip the bag to shreds.

Don't worry ill be buying hose regulator and gas from a supply store welding one and not skimping on anything

 

[Aap]

What are you talking about? Nitrogen is still used industrially and for things such as welding. Argon is an inert and noble gas, as is helium.

 

[It'sMyLife]

More info please

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-to-make-a-death-mask-for-inert-gas-argon-nitrogen.7366/

Here's the mask I found. I know this would probably be US only but it shows a mask that separates the CO2 somehow

U.S. Divers Dryview Full Face Snorkeling Mask for Adults - Distortion-Free 180 Vision, Shatter-Resistant Lens, Removable Snorkel and Travel Bag Included, Comfortable Silicone Skirt, (Black) L/XL - Walmart.com

Buy U.S. Divers Dryview Full Face Snorkeling Mask for Adults - Distortion-Free 180 Vision, Shatter-Resistant Lens, Removable Snorkel and Travel Bag Included, Comfortable Silicone Skirt, (Black) L/XL at Walmart.com

www.walmart.com

 

[Aap]

NO! This is why bags are recommended, and masks are not. The ONLY mask setup that should even be contemplated is a full scuba mask and regulator, which is not cheap and much more complicated than a bag.

other masks, such as this snorkeling mask will do one of two things. One is the case of a sealed mask. This will lead, very quickly, to a build up of pressure and severe lung damage. The other case, as in this one, is a mask that allows for O2 to flow in with each breath, rendering the process uncertain and prone to failure or brain damage.

I realize the post was made in good faith, but posts like this are dangerous. Do not use a mask, and don't encourage others to do so if you don't understand what the mask does that you are suggesting!

 

[Hammer]

NO! This is why bags are recommended, and masks are not. The ONLY mask setup that should even be contemplated is a full scuba mask and regulator, which is not cheap and much more complicated than a bag.

other masks, such as this snorkeling mask will do one of two things. One is the case of a sealed mask. This will lead, very quickly, to a build up of pressure and severe lung damage. The other case, as in this one, is a mask that allows for O2 to flow in with each breath, rendering the process uncertain and prone to failure or brain damage.

I realize the post was made in good faith, but posts like this are dangerous. Do not use a mask, and don't encourage others to do so if you don't understand what the mask does that you are suggesting!

I have a classic oxygen style gas mask but I've sealed the holes. But it still has a bit of a gap where it comes into contact with my face. This is why I was going to turn it all on with the mask in the bag to fill it up slightly, breath out then pull the mask and bag down and into place and start taking in deep breaths. I was hoping the gap would allow the co2 to leave as the mask is still being supplied with nitrogen and the bag should have a decent amount of nitrogen inside just incase.

I honestly couldn't find a flow meter that fit the tank I got.

Also I'm kinda in a desperate time and may need to use this set up very soon if not tonight. So I don't have time to buy more stuff. I have to believe this set up will work.

 

[lonelygirl66]

If you require success. Go to your airing cupboard. Set up a hoover system to suck up all the air. And then release Argon gas at a steady rate. Drink wine with a few of your favourite pills and good night. Happy days.

 

[TheEndIsNigh31]

If you require success. Go to your airing cupboard. Set up a hoover system to suck up all the air. And then release Argon gas at a steady rate. Drink wine with a few of your favourite pills and good night. Happy days.

Wine bit classey lol and I meam hoover system sucking up from what exactly