pic suicide by gunshot to temple + some questions

[Crazy4u]

I started watching suicide videos to get desensitized to CTB. CTB by gunshot videos are hard to come by. Most of the videos are for CTB by jumping and hanging.

ANYWAY .... the picture below is for a police officer who shot himself to the temple and died instantly. My questions:

- Why would he shoot himself to the temple instead of behind the ear? any guesses/speculations?
- What kind of gun is this?
- Is there any difference between shooting right side vs left side of the head?
- Is the gun in the picture better than Glock 19/22/23 for CTB? are there any handgun recommendations? I cannot do long gun/rifle/shotgun because I need to do it inside my car.

Thanks

 

[justsayin]

That photo shows what not to do,

 

[Ligottian]

Shooting yourself in the temple can give you an essentially homemade lobotomy. During the attempted assassination of US President Ronald Reagan in 1981, his press secretary, James Brady, got hit in the forehead. He was a semi mental vegetable until his death years later.

 

[Angelfire6972]

My brother shot himself in the temple, it was instantaneous.

 

[Noctis]

Bullets don't always go in a straight line, and the slightest change in angle you hold the gun can have monumental effects on the trajectory.

For every person who says "In the mouth, angled 15 degrees is the only way" I can find someone else who did something very different and died.

As with all methods, there's no guarantee. But with research and education, you can maximize your chances.

 

[Elri]

Idk but i saw a video of a russian dude shooting himself he was lowkey smiling and then boom shoot his brain out like a watermelon explosion and it made me so uncomfortable and traumatized for days. even if it's a very reliable method i rather drawn. also very unfair on people who have to find you like that i knew a girl who said no matter what she can't remember his brother as a person anymore since the last time she found him like that. I wouldn't want people to remind me as an exploded watermelon just a thought
Heart gunshot is better tho

 

[Ligottian]

My brother shot himself in the temple, it was instantaneous.

Lucky him. I would still go for just above the ear.

 

[Crazy4u]

yeah, I thought it was weird that he chose to shoot himself at the temple. I would imagine a police officer would know it is not the best spot. There is a lot of misinformation online. On quora, for example, many people recommend targeting temple and/or the chin!!!! I know after reading firearm megathread that it is a horrible idea. The last thing I want is to become vegetable :(

@Angelfire6972 Sorry to hear about your brother. I would be interested to know his story if you are comfortable sharing!

@Noctis can you be more specific about the 15 degree angel? Do I have to put the gun straight in the mouth or should it target right side/left side? how to measure 15 degree?

@Elri I'm sorry to hear about the video you saw. I don't know how to target the heart. My plan is to minimize people who find me as much as I can by shooting myself inside my covered car. The person who finds me would be either someone who wants to steal the car or a high patrol officer. I don't have family or close relatives/friends. Noone who knows me is going to see my picture after death.

@Ligottian I thought the brainstem is behind the ear - middle of the ear. Wouldn't above the ear be high? Please correct me if I am wrong. Do you have a good picture of the exact location using a picture of a human being not a skeleton?

 

[Noctis]

USER=34070]@Noctis[/USER] can you be more specific about the 15 degree angel? Do I have to put the gun straight in the mouth or should it target right side/left side? how to measure 15 degree?

Unfortunately, I'm not very knowledgeable about it, but I've heard a few people say 15 degrees tilt is the sweet spot to hit something vital (the brain stem I guess).

I think it's a 15 degree tilt towards the back, which should naturally happen if you put the barrel in your mouth and point it towards the roof of your mouth.

Regardless, suicide by gunshot still has the highest reported success rate compared to other methods, so it's not like you have to be laser precise. Just don't put it under your chin; too many people do that and tilt the barrel forward which results in a shattered jaw and destroyed nose, but not much else.

 

[Interloper]

yeah, I thought it was weird that he chose to shoot himself at the temple. I would imagine a police officer would know it is not the best spot.

From what I could find from this, he was a security guard. So maybe he just copied what he saw in films. Supposedly he was playing russian roulette. (even though it looks like there's 2 cartridges in the revolver) Not sure about the actual model but it didn't sound as powerful as most revolvers I've heard.

 

[Someone123]

I researched this method a llot, every possible amgle, weapon, and ammunition, and no matter what you choose some percentage of people survive- the general odds of it working are 80%, and you can improve this by careful research and planning, but there is still a chance of survival- there are many videos of gunshot suicide attempt survivors on youtube that are worth reviewing before making a final decision. Maybe someone who knows firearms better than I do can devise a ploan that is very close to 100% chance to work, though, I'm not sure if this is possible or not.

 

[Interloper]

Shotguns are probably closest to 100%, from the couple of videos I've seen they all managed to esentially destroy all of their brain and it's hard to picture how they'd be alive after that. Failure because you try to point the gun away the moment you pull the trigger, is not really a fault of the method imo.

 

[naturally]

Anyone remember how Budd Dwyer shot himself? That was the first one I ever saw, I'm sure there's still video floating around

 

[Someone123]

Shotguns are probably closest to 100%, from the couple of videos I've seen they all managed to esentially destroy all of their brain and it's hard to picture how they'd be alive after that. Failure because you try to point the gun away the moment you pull the trigger, is not really a fault of the method imo.

The scary thing about shotguns is that I have recently seen, on the site just last week, pictires of people who blew off their whole face- and survived. With any method you always want to ask- what if it doesn't work. If you are one of the rare ones who does survive a shotgun attempt you may not have anything left of your face- this is too terrifying for me. I don't remeber which thread these photos were on, but I know they were posted on this site just last week.

 

[WilNord]

While a gun has a 80% chance of succeeding, that's because of the caliber and bullet type that is used as well as the area they shoot at. Something like a 9mm that isnt a hollow-point has a higher chance of failing compared to 7.62 ammo that was used in the video Elri was talking about; There is not way for a shotgun to fail unless you place it under your chin and not to the brain, if you do it right then you have a 100% chance, not nearly or almost, unless the gun malfunctions or jams then there is no way in heaven, hell and the Earth between the two that it would ever fail, it is like saying a bear has an almost 100% chance of winning against a rabbit instead of being honest and saying the bear has a 100% guaranteed chance of winning

 

[Insomniac]

God I wish I had a gun

 

[Crazy4u]

Would someone explain the ammo and hollow point thing? I don't understand guns and that is why I gave gun examples: glock19/22/23.

 

[Someone123]

Would someone explain the ammo and hollow point thing? I don't understand guns and that is why I gave gun examples: glock19/22/23.

A hollow point bullet shatters on impact rather than going through so that it affects a bigger area- it will improve chances but it is no guarantee.

 

[Crazy4u]

Anyone remember how Budd Dwyer shot himself? That was the first one I ever saw, I'm sure there's still video floating around

in the mouth with a 0.357 revolver

 

[justsayin]

While a gun has a 80% chance of succeeding, that's because of the caliber and bullet type that is used as well as the area they shoot at. Something like a 9mm that isnt a hollow-point has a higher chance of failing compared to 7.62 ammo that was used in the video Elri was talking about; There is not way for a shotgun to fail unless you place it under your chin and not to the brain, if you do it right then you have a 100% chance, not nearly or almost, unless the gun malfunctions or jams then there is no way in heaven, hell and the Earth between the two that it would ever fail, it is like saying a bear has an almost 100% chance of winning against a rabbit instead of being honest and saying the bear has a 100% guaranteed chance of winning

The guy in that video used Saiga shotgun.

 

[Interloper]

The scary thing about shotguns is that I have recently seen, on the site just last week, pictires of people who blew off their whole face- and survived. With any method you always want to ask- what if it doesn't work. If you are one of the rare ones who does survive a shotgun attempt you may not have anything left of your face- this is too terrifying for me. I don't remeber which thread these photos were on, but I know they were posted on this site just last week.

Those were user error though, I don't know why they thought blowing just their face off would give them anything but horrible pain and disfigurement.

 

[WilNord]

The guy in that video used Saiga shotgun.

Sorry, my knowledge in guns is very lackluster. Nevertheless, if you're using a shotgun then it's impossible to fail when aiming at the back of the head.
edit: Unless you're using bird-shot but that's it

 

[Ligottian]

A decent sized caliber pistol (at least a .38) with a hollow point bullet fired at ear level or slightly above will destroy your brain. You probably wont hear or feel a thing. It's not like the brain stem has to take a direct hit for the shot to almost instantly kill you.

 

[Someone123]

Sorry, my knowledge in guns is very lackluster. Nevertheless, if you're using a shotgun then it's impossible to fail when aiming at the back of the head.
edit: Unless you're using bird-shot but that's it

Because a gun has recoil you can't be that sure where it will hit unless possibly you are v eryt experienced with guns- see the recent thread "Failed Suicide by Shotgun" to see how badly this can go- I would never do it.

 

[WilNord]

Because a gun has recoil you can't be that sure where it will hit unless possibly you are v eryt experienced with guns- see the recent thread "Failed Suicide by Shotgun" to see how badly this can go- I would never do it.

I saw that, he put it under his chin. Even with recoil the shotgun spread would take out your brain. If you're that worried you can also insert it into your mouth and aim it at a 15-20 degree angle so the barrel is in front of the roof of your mouth in front of your tonsils and have the butt of it on the floor, that way you can shoot yourself and not have recoil kick back

 

[RealLostSoul]

Idk but i saw a video of a russian dude shooting himself he was lowkey smiling and then boom shoot his brain out like a watermelon explosion and it made me so uncomfortable and traumatized for days. even if it's a very reliable method i rather drawn. also very unfair on people who have to find you like that i knew a girl who said no matter what she can't remember his brother as a person anymore since the last time she found him like that. I wouldn't want people to remind me as an exploded watermelon just a thought
Heart gunshot is better tho

I have to agree with this. One of my paramedic colleagues told me he once walked into a guy who shot himself in the heart. He said it was surprisingly little gore (just a small blood stain) and if competent enough to hit you go unconscious within max 10 seconds or so. Yea it is painful until then but worth it if you take into consideration how you are leaving your corpse behind. I would also shoot in the heart if I'd choose gunshot. Poisoning is the more superior option though.

 

[lonerclown666]

i think a shot in the head will kill me easy

 

[Quinlor]

just a mess
it's going to fly piece of brain everywhere

 

[Angelfire6972]

Unfortunately, I'm not very knowledgeable about it, but I've heard a few people say 15 degrees tilt is the sweet spot to hit something vital (the brain stem I guess).

I think it's a 15 degree tilt towards the back, which should naturally happen if you put the barrel in your mouth and point it towards the roof of your mouth.

Regardless, suicide by gunshot still has the highest reported success rate compared to other methods, so it's not like you have to be laser precise. Just don't put it under your chin; too many people do that and tilt the barrel forward which results in a shattered jaw and destroyed nose, but not much else.

I didn't have it in me to go identify him. My mom did. For years My brother was obsessed with his guns. I can't specify on the angel. I just know the autopsy revealed that it was instantaneous, there was an exit.wound.
It was above the ear, he had the 9mm pressed very hard to his right temple.