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This post is actually about psychiatry changing the DSM. Do you know that their magic book of greek myths and arbitrary distinctions now has the word science added to it? That's right, the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual is becoming the Diagnostic and Science Manual.

It's sort of like a school changing it's name from "City College" to "Smart College for Smart People." If it were true, would it really needed to be changed and added in to prove it?

New this year: the DSM is adding something called Hera Syndrome for women who have online female hysteria and need Xanax. So trendy and scientific! Better open your wallets or you'll miss out on all the cool new labels and treatments!
 
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I'm not even anti-psychology or anti-psychiatry... but experts in the fields do tend to often think they know way more than they know. It wasn't that long ago when lobotomies were considered a proper thing to just do to people... and things are in the DSM until they aren't... things are recognized until they aren't OR aren't recognized until they are. Then they kind of want people to forget that five minutes ago they were saying something completely different than what they are saying now.

This happens in other areas, in science, where we are wrong about a thing for a while until we figure it out... but I think proper science at least tends to indicate that we were wrong about an assumption and then eventually proved it wrong and discarded it and admit as such. Psychology/Psychiatry tends to almost be closer to religion wherein they will continue to assert a thing long after it no longer makes sense to do so, then will change their assertion one day and try to act as if they were always promoting that believe and want to wipe away the past as if it was never real and try to convince you that you might be crazy if you don't just agree with them.
 
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I'm not even anti-psychology or anti-psychiatry... but experts in the fields do tend to often think they know way more than they know. It wasn't that long ago when lobotomies were considered a proper thing to just do to people... and things are in the DSM until they aren't... things are recognized until they aren't OR aren't recognized until they are. Then they kind of want people to forget that five minutes ago they were saying something completely different than what they are saying now.

This happens in other areas, in science, where we are wrong about a thing for a while until we figure it out... but I think proper science at least tends to indicate that we were wrong about an assumption and then eventually proved it wrong and discarded it and admit as such. Psychology/Psychiatry tends to almost be closer to religion wherein they will continue to assert a thing long after it no longer makes sense to do so, then will change their assertion one day and try to act as if they were always promoting that believe and want to wipe away the past as if it was never real and try to convince you that you might be crazy if you don't just agree with them.
They are usually pretentious as fuck
 
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I'm not even anti-psychology or anti-psychiatry... but experts in the fields do tend to often think they know way more than they know. It wasn't that long ago when lobotomies were considered a proper thing to just do to people... and things are in the DSM until they aren't... things are recognized until they aren't OR aren't recognized until they are. Then they kind of want people to forget that five minutes ago they were saying something completely different than what they are saying now.

This happens in other areas, in science, where we are wrong about a thing for a while until we figure it out... but I think proper science at least tends to indicate that we were wrong about an assumption and then eventually proved it wrong and discarded it and admit as such. Psychology/Psychiatry tends to almost be closer to religion wherein they will continue to assert a thing long after it no longer makes sense to do so, then will change their assertion one day and try to act as if they were always promoting that believe and want to wipe away the past as if it was never real and try to convince you that you might be crazy if you don't just agree with them.
as someone damaged by psychiatry, this sums many things up quite nicely..

its also the fact that psychiatry is not very self-aware about its current and major limitations, so drugging-spirals can occur because for them nothing but the DSM/ICD exists, and they will always confirmation-bias everything to make it fit.. this can lead to people becoming vegetables stuck in endless suffering, for life.
 
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No offense to any practitioners, but diagnostic psychiatry is like the blind leading the sighted. Telling people what they are despite never having experienced those mental states themselves, prescribing drugs to others that they've personally never taken. I think on the whole it's horribly primitive, honestly. There are probably some practitioners who have real insight and I'm not ruling them out, but I've never met them personally. My take is that it's just a "social necessity". Weird people need to be categorized so that they can either be reintegrated or pacified or both (antipsychotics used to be known as "major tranquilizers") and so that there can be broadly applicable methodologies for doing so that don't require the insight that wouldn't be compatible with massive scale, one size fits all solutions. Personal consequences be damned, the wheels must keep turning.
Therapists and especially psychiatrists are modern day priests who monitor you on behalf of the state. Your needs are considered, but secondary to the overall social scheme.
 
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In the future, they will likely have specific categories based on clusters of genetic mutations or epigenetic expressions or specific scientific descriptions of problems.

They still use bizarre insulting nomenclature, like Borderline Personality Disorder, for overly emotional people who feel too much and can't regulate emotions because of a dysfunctional limbic system. This idiotic dichotomy between some things being brain and some thing being not brain is beyond stupidity, as though emotional disregulation is just who "borderline" people are inherently. The term borderline initially came from thinking that emotionally unregulated people were at the border between neurotic and psychotic... and brain science and advances have shown that's a terrible way to describe things, but they still keep the label that way. Why do they do that? Is it because they are stupid... or is it because they are assholes?

But really, they aren't mutually exclusive. If they were really a science they wouldn't have to change shit around so much, constantly, and they wouldn't pretend to have so much certainty over their "science" when they clearly draw numerous arbitrary delineations which turn out to be wrong in the future frequently. It's like every decade of psychiatry and psychology had huge vast amounts of incorrect information, since it got changed the next decade, and had horrible interventions, like lobotomies and clitoral stimulation for female hysteria, but now... THIS is the generation of psychiatry that has gotten everything right... like using ECT TO KILL BRAIN CELLS TO HELP PEOPLE GET PAST "EGO." Fuck these pieces of shit, they are all charlatans.
 
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I cannot put into words how much I hate psychologists.
 
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I'm not anti-psychiatry but they are in the stone age for diagnosis are treatment.
 
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Therapists and especially psychiatrists are modern day priests who monitor you on behalf of the state. Your needs are considered, but secondary to the overall social scheme.
This is exactly and actually true. I want to give a million thumbs up. It's something that may be collectively beneficial for society (to slightly dope up weird people with drugs that are nauseating at higher doses so people can't ever get so addicted they do stuff like commit burglaries to buy more psych meds) but is often harmful for the individual actually seeing the psychiatrist and even in the cases of real symptoms rather than ennui (someone actively cycling with bipolar disorder) the symptom reductions from seeing a psychiatrist is often not worth the cost in terms of time, money, effort, and side-effect compared to symptom reduction.

Worst of all, once one becomes part of that system, it's not easy to extricate oneself because often the expense and burden of treatments (locked care costs, drug costs, visit costs, the fact that if you seem slow and on tranquilizers people may not hire you) result in poverty while others around saying you "must" continue treatment, with veiled threats underneath all admonitions to comply.

Additionally, psych meds make people stupider, both in the immediate and long-term, and so if someone sees a psychiatrist feeling depressed and suicidal, they will end up depressed and stupid if they don't find a way out of being depressed, making it easy to convince their loved ones that they MUST continue treatment (because look at how fucking stupid they are).

Most horribly of all, society often says those in that system must bare some of the financial costs of treatment in certain circumstances, despite the benefits going to society and the horrible side-effects going to the individual. From my experience, there is no misery quite like side-effect misery, and I had experiences with horrible side-effect misery during locked care, and being threatened with worse (and potentially physically dangerous consequences) if I didn't endure the side-effects.

Trusting psychiatry was among the worst mistakes of my life and I thought that because it was a "science" and was enshrined by society as something good that it couldn't possibly be almost entirely a fraud, but for people who are really suffering, it seems like in most cases is a fraud and trap. If you're someone who suddenly gets divorced and need 6 months of Prozac and that happens to work for you, then psychiatry will be your 6 month savior. If you're someone with actual long-term issues, psychiatry is a pit of despair waiting for you fall into, with psychiatrists lurking at the bottom, waiting for the next oblivious gullible trusting distracted person to fall in and hurl to the bottom.
 
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One of the few mental illnesses that I think is actually real is psychopathy, merely because there is no other plausible explanation for the thoughts and behavior of psychiatrists. Either that, or a particularly powerful form of sadism. The proposal of becoming a psychiatrist is sure to attract that kind of person. I don't know of any other profession where you can just tell people, with your words carrying actual power, "Ah, it seems you have Can't Decide For Yourself Disorder, you now have no rights of any kind and will be drugged, imprisoned and tortured until I decide you can leave." No person with empathy would dare even approach this profession.
 
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This post is actually about psychiatry changing the DSM. Do you know that their magic book of greek myths and arbitrary distinctions now has the word science added to it? That's right, the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual is becoming the Diagnostic and Science Manual.

It's sort of like a school changing it's name from "City College" to "Smart College for Smart People." If it were true, would it really needed to be changed and added in to prove it?

New this year: the DSM is adding something called Hera Syndrome for women who have online female hysteria and need Xanax. So trendy and scientific! Better open your wallets or you'll miss out on all the cool new labels and treatments!
Can't find anything about the Hera Syndrome.
Additionally, psych meds make people stupider, both in the immediate and long-term, and so if someone sees a psychiatrist feeling depressed and suicidal, they will end up depressed and stupid if they don't find a way out of being depressed, making it easy to convince their loved ones that they MUST continue treatment (because look at how fucking stupid they are).
I was just thinking that today. Before trying to treat my depression, I was ugly, weak, awkward, and depressed. Now I am all these things and a dummy.

The absurdity of being pushed to the rock bottom, trusting someone to help you out, and having them, metaphorically, saw your limbs off, is the only thing I consistently find funny.
 
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