Method Pegasos and Dutch euthanasia clinic and mental illness

[Berlin76]

I habe seen a other tread about the Swiss euthanasia Clinic.

They do state that people with mental issues can be approved.
They do have the same hard critic like the Dutch euthanasia clinic that i have been approved of euthanasia in this month.

The swish state the next thing in their FAQ

FAQs – Pegasos Swiss Association

pegasos-association.com

Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome.

For the Dutch euthanasia clinic the next statement is made on their own page.

Careful and caring - Expertisecentrum Euthanasie

expertisecentrumeuthanasie.nl

FOREIGN REQUESTS
We focus on patients from the Netherlands. If you come from another country and you have a request for euthanasia in The Netherlands, then this is not a simple matter. Because good communication is very essential during the investigation for assessing the meeting of legal requirements, you have to be fluent in Dutch or English. You have to stay in The Netherlands during the investigation, which can take a rather long time. You must have a readable and accessible medical history. Also, the cost of investigation and euthanasia are only reimbursed if you have a Dutch medical insurance. It is our experience that as a non-resident is it very difficult to fulfill the legal requirements. Please note that Expertisecentrum Euthanasie is not a clinic. Our ambulatory doctors visit patients at home. Visiting the organization is useless.

 

[Berlin76]

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. They have the next statement.

Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome

 

[Cutepoison]

I called Pagesasos yesterday. As soon as i told them my age, they said they couldn't help me. Fucking sucks.

 

[Berlin76]

I called Pagesasos yesterday. As soon as i told them my age, they said they couldn't help me. Fucking sucks.

Yeah their age limit is higher then the dutch.
The Dutch only accept above 25 years old.

 

[Cutepoison]

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What's wrong with you? Is it a physical illness? I'm "just" depressed, and therefore got rejected

 

[Berlin76]

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. Than this shows they are not taking in young and mental issues.

 

[Mizzmini45]

They told me I was a young person and therefore can't help me. I was rejected because of it. There exact words

 

[Berlin76]

Every psychiatrist on euthanasia wont do euthanasia with people below 25.

This is due to the fact that young people haven't matured enough also their brains and personality is still growing and changing.

 

[fightingsioux]

I'm 71 with a severely debilitating physical condition, no mental illness. I was quickly accepted months ago, I'm going in 9 days.

If interested, I'd start with slowly and carefully reading every word on their website: https://pegasos-association.com/

Mental illness is an illness like any other, taking hundreds of different forms. People on this forum should well-know that it's not one malady, one injury, one identical problem--just like physical illnesses. A broken leg is not cancer or the flu or tooth decay or heart disease or a splinter.

Pegasos knows this. They will deal with each person individually and compassionately.

HOWEVER...

That said, in general, like it or not, they most probably will not accept you if you're under 30 (around there, no definite age requirement) and have no documented serious physical illness.

It's also expensive. Over $10K in U.S. dollars, plus airfare, hotel, miscellaneous expenses. Can run to around $12K--Cash! Skip the moral outrage--if you don't have it, don't waste your time, come up with something else.

I'm not going to engage in a long public exchange here: no matter what the topic, they inevitably go off the rails. But you're more than welcome to PM me with any specific questions or you just want to ask my opinion.

Best of luck, peace.

 

[Inmyhands]

I'm 71 with a severely debilitating physical condition, no mental illness. I was quickly accepted months ago, I'm going in 9 days.

So glad you've been accepted and that you're in a position to go forward. Wishing you nothing but calm and peace for your final moments, free of any doubt, fear or anxiety. Take care ♡

 

[Cutepoison]

For me, it was the age, nothing else, she said i was too young

 

[Mizzmini45]

For me, it was the age, nothing else, she said i was too young

If your in ur 20s and 30s they tell u that you are to young for it

 

[arelia]

I'm 71 with a severely debilitating physical condition, no mental illness. I was quickly accepted months ago, I'm going in 9 days.

I hope it all goes smoothly for you. At the moment the weather forecast is looking good for Basel, so with any luck it will be lovely when you arrive.

 

[enjolras]

To those who got approved by Pegasos, how long did it take ? Was it easy-peasy (as long as you met their criterias) ?

 

[Berlin76]

To those who got approved by Pegasos, how long did it take ? Was it easy-peasy (as long as you met their criterias) ?

Even when you meet criteria its never easy peasy i can assure you that. And Zwitserland doesn't like the mental illness cases. Only the dutch have this

 

[enjolras]

I really mean it about a physical condition. Pegasos is supposed to compress the green light process. How effective are they at this ?
Can the application and support be held in other languages than english ? (french / german, those of Switzerland). Is it partially the same staff than Eternal Spirit behind the scenes ?

 

[Berlin76]

I really mean it about a physical condition. Pegasos is supposed to compress the green light process. How effective are they at this ?
Can the application and support be held in other languages than english ? (french / german, those of Switzerland). Is it partially the same staff than Eternal Spirit behind ?

. Yes if you are incurable and in a dying or suffering state than they will take a look at your case. Just contact them but its not cheap

 

[AcornUnderground]

I was approved by Pegasos. I have a severe form of Sjögrens Syndrome that disabled me and leaves me in daily pain. I have paperwork that gives my diagnosis, and that sufficed for approval. There are official documents to be procured - birth and marriage/divorce certificates as well as personal information. I would not call it difficult.

 

[Busdriver]

It seems Pegasos looks at the cases of mentally ill people.

If they decide they can mean something for you, do you then have to undergo intense therapy and eventually have label 'incurable' to be approved for 'assisted dying'?

In the Netherlands, unfortunately, you have to go through the whole therapy process, antidepressants and get label 'incurable', which takes years, to get euthanasia.

 

[AcornUnderground]

It seems Pegasos looks at the cases of mentally ill people.

If they decide they can mean something for you, do you then have to undergo intense therapy and eventually have label 'incurable' to be approved for 'assisted dying'?

In the Netherlands, unfortunately, you have to go through the whole therapy process, antidepressants and get label 'incurable', which takes years, to get euthanasia.

I personally don't know the process of Pegasos and their determination of who is approved or not. It is pretty simple to find out. Their website is pretty good with FAQs and they will NOT charge you to email them, explain your case and see their thoughts.

 

[Berlin76]

It seems Pegasos looks at the cases of mentally ill people.

If they decide they can mean something for you, do you then have to undergo intense therapy and eventually have label 'incurable' to be approved for 'assisted dying'?

In the Netherlands, unfortunately, you have to go through the whole therapy process, antidepressants and get label 'incurable', which takes years, to get euthanasia.

This is also with pegasus that u need prove that you had sufficient enough therapy in the past. You can't walk in and say i am depressed so i want to die.
That doesn't work like that.
You need to prove you did everything to recover and also had enough and there are no other options for therapy left.

Then you maybe get approved for the process but still 50% gets rejected on application and also down the road. .

 

[Busdriver]

I read the information on Pegasus carefully a while ago and they indeed want to see exhaustive medical documentation (from home country) with diagnoses etc.

So it is not any different from the Netherlands in that regard. So Dutch people do not need to go abroad for euthanasia hoping for an easier procedure somewhere else.

Actually, I was secretly hoping it was easier at Pegasos. That you can e.g. have a few therapy sessions there and if failed you could get euthanasia...

 

[Berlin76]

I read the information on Pegasus carefully a while ago and they indeed want to see exhaustive medical documentation (from home country) with diagnoses etc.

So it is not any different from the Netherlands in that regard. So Dutch people do not need to go abroad for euthanasia hoping for an easier procedure somewhere else.

Actually, I was secretly hoping it was easier at Pegasos. That you can e.g. have a few therapy sessions there and if failed you could get euthanasia...

Yeah but then they would close shop fast because its a faulty system.

So if you didn't have therapy then they offer you help for several years.

The Dutch won't go abroad because its fucking expensive. Here in the Netherlands it's free for us. Its in the health insurance

 

[turquoise]

I was approved by Pegasos. I have a severe form of Sjögrens Syndrome that disabled me and leaves me in daily pain. I have paperwork that gives my diagnosis, and that sufficed for approval. There are official documents to be procured - birth and marriage/divorce certificates as well as personal information. I would not call it difficult.

I have non-Sjögrens Sicca Syndrome. It might in fact be Sjögren's, but it is notoriously difficult to diagnose for men because they might never develop the antibodies. Regardless, I have all the textbook symptoms - dry eyes, mouth, throat, lips, nose, that have totally destroyed the quality of my life.

Do you know if Pegasos requires a specific diagnosis stating Sjögren's Syndrome? Also they're a bit unclear on the specific medical records needed. What exactly did you have to submit to them? I've prepared a VAD and filled out most of it at this point, but I'm not sure on these questions.

 

[whitefeather]

I have non-Sjögrens Sicca Syndrome. It might in fact be Sjögren's, but it is notoriously difficult to diagnose for men because they might never develop the antibodies. Regardless, I have all the textbook symptoms - dry eyes, mouth, throat, lips, nose, that have totally destroyed the quality of my life.

Do you know if Pegasos requires a specific diagnosis stating Sjögren's Syndrome? Also they're a bit unclear on the specific medical records needed. What exactly did you have to submit to them? I've prepared a VAD and filled out most of it at this point, but I'm not sure on these questions.

With paperwork for dx Sicca Syndrome , Pegasos approval will depend on your age..

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I was approved by Pegasos. I have a severe form of Sjögrens Syndrome that disabled me and leaves me in daily pain. I have paperwork that gives my diagnosis, and that sufficed for approval. There are official documents to be procured - birth and marriage/divorce certificates as well as personal information. I would not call it difficult.

I didn't know that they also accepted people with chronic conditions like autoimmune diseases. I have a condition that causes skin symptoms like Lupus and involves eyes, hands, most of the mucous membranes; and this is the reason why I'm considering suicide. While the symptoms have been diagnosed and documented, the cause has not been found (and so also the appropriate therapy).
I wonder if they would consider me. The constant burning and inflammations are driving me mad.

 

[turquoise]

With paperwork for dx Sicca Syndrome , Pegasos approval will depend on your age..

Can you elaborate a bit? Their website says the minimum age is 18.

 

[whitefeather]

I didn't know that they also accepted people with chronic conditions like autoimmune diseases. I have a condition that causes skin symptoms like Lupus and involves eyes, hands, most of the mucous membranes; and this is the reason why I'm considering suicide. While the symptoms have been diagnosed and documented, the cause has not been found (and so also the appropriate therapy).
I wonder if they would consider me. The constant burning and inflammations are driving me mad.

The younger age must give Pegasos strong medical diagnostic PAPERS

 

[Foreversad]

I called Pagesasos yesterday. As soon as i told them my age, they said they couldn't help me. Fucking sucks.

If i may how old r u?

 

[checkouttime]

Can you elaborate a bit? Their website says the minimum age is 18.

Yeah the age where a person becomes an adult! and can decide on things like how they live their life/ or not!!!!